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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Here is an answer to the god bullshit that all these religious idiots are professing. They are basically fucking wrong. This was from another thread on TA that I posted about the bible verses that were posted earlier in this thread.

I've been wanting to pose this question to the Yes people at some point. My girlfriend and I don't believe in god. We will not be married in a church or by a religious figure. We have not decided if we want to have children for sure. So, is that marriage? It certainly isn't "traditional marriage."
One of the ironies of all this is now we all have to sit back think about what marriage is. Actually question how we feel about marriage and what it means, what it is. How is that "protecting marriage? Over 4 months ago gay couple got the ok to get married. Did it change anything? Did it effect anyone other than the couples whom were able to elope. Did society as we kn ow it colapse?! Did 75% of the people in this state even know? No! But since this prop was brought up, all hell is breaking loose and it will only get worse. Oh...and by the way...because what the yes on prop people turned this into, it will for sure be taught in school. It is now a historic event that will be history books. Plus, what child has not asked they're parents about gay marriage now? Were they asking 4 months ago or being taught it in school?
Oh...I love irony

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The judges deliberated for months before saying YES to Equality and Tolerance

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Originally posted by DJ Reese Over 4 months ago gay couple got the ok to get married. Did it change anything? Did it effect anyone other than the couples whom were able to elope. Did society as we kn ow it collapse?!

Those were some of the exact questions the California Supreme Court were asking and the answers were a resounding "NO" in each case. The judges deliberated for months and looked at the impact of gay marriage in Massachusetts, Canada, Europe and South Africa and they could find *NO* ill effects on society nor on any individual nor heterosexual couple. If anything the effects are positive in terms of health care, taxes and reducing the spread of HIV/AIDS (which has always effected mostly heterosexuals on a world-wide scale).

That is just one of the reasons why even a mostly conservative Supreme Court voted for the rights of *all* consenting adults, not to mention little things like tolerance, equality and being the good example by living up to the "land of freedom", and "best country" that many conservatives claim to the world we are.

Some "conservatives" can actually do the right thing when they put their hearts and minds into it and think things through. Other "conservatives" - not so much.

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Originally posted by DJ Reese I've been wanting to pose this question to the Yes people at some point. My girlfriend and I don't believe in god. We will not be married in a church or by a religious figure. We have not decided if we want to have children for sure. So, is that marriage? It certainly isn't "traditional marriage." One of the ironies of all this is now we all have to sit back think about what marriage is. Actually question how we feel about marriage and what it means, what it is. How is that "protecting marriage? Over 4 months ago gay couple got the ok to get married. Did it change anything? Did it effect anyone other than the couples whom were able to elope. Did society as we kn ow it colapse?! Did 75% of the people in this state even know? No! But since this prop was brought up, all hell is breaking loose and it will only get worse. Oh...and by the way...because what the yes on prop people turned this into, it will for sure be taught in school. It is now a historic event that will be history books. Plus, what child has not asked they're parents about gay marriage now? Were they asking 4 months ago or being taught it in school? Oh...I love irony

This was the precise reason I asked this friend. Before he settled on Christianity, he delved into a whole host of religions. Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, etc. He is very well versed in religion on a pretty wide scale.

I haven't followed on what you guys have been saying on the last 10 pages of threads, but .. you guy are still talking about this?

It passed, what more is there to talk about.. its not about religion.. it just morals.. also.. I saw someone comment about burning a church down. come on man.. how do you accuse us that say Yes on prop 8 and then you say something like that.. Jesus.. I'm not a biggot, heck.. i'm a minority (majority in calfornia) so i know how it feels to be discriminated against. This isn't about discrimation and I dislike the way people push as if this was the 1960's civil rights movement. Marriage is between a man and a women, period.

I'm not a gay/lesbian hater either.. heck.. I've gone to your types of clubs and I party around you as well.. I dont' agree with your lifestyle, but I don't disrepect you either. So please respect those of us that are married and believe in the true definition of marriage.

:uts on anti-flame suit::

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Originally posted by system-7 I haven't followed on what you guys have been saying on the last 10 pages of threads, but .. you guy are still talking about this? It passed, what more is there to talk about.. its not about religion.. it just morals.. also.. I saw someone comment about burning a church down. come on man.. how do you accuse us that say Yes on prop 8 and then you say something like that.. Jesus.. I'm not a biggot, heck.. i'm a minority (majority in calfornia) so i know how it feels to be discriminated against. This isn't about discrimation and I dislike the way people push as if this was the 1960's civil rights movement. Marriage is between a man and a women, period. I'm not a gay/lesbian hater either.. heck.. I've gone to your types of clubs and I party around you as well.. I dont' agree with your lifestyle, but I don't disrepect you either. So please respect those of us that are married and believe in the true definition of marriage. :uts on anti-flame suit::

Respect? If you truly do. You would let them live there live's how they want. Nice to see religious groups pushing their view's through the church and old people(that's how i think prop 8 won).

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Originally posted by system-7 I haven't followed on what you guys have been saying on the last 10 pages of threads, but .. you guy are still talking about this? It passed, what more is there to talk about.. its not about religion.. it just morals.. also.. I saw someone comment about burning a church down. come on man.. how do you accuse us that say Yes on prop 8 and then you say something like that.. Jesus.. I'm not a biggot, heck.. i'm a minority (majority in calfornia) so i know how it feels to be discriminated against. This isn't about discrimation and I dislike the way people push as if this was the 1960's civil rights movement. Marriage is between a man and a women, period. I'm not a gay/lesbian hater either.. heck.. I've gone to your types of clubs and I party around you as well.. I dont' agree with your lifestyle, but I don't disrepect you either. So please respect those of us that are married and believe in the true definition of marriage. :uts on anti-flame suit::

You disrespect them by pushing your view of "morality" onto them. Hypocrite anyone?

Read my post above though that is quite long. It puts this all into perspective of why you believe what you do, and why it is both skewed and down right wrong.

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Originally posted by system-7 Marriage is between a man and a women, period.

You should tell that to Belgium, Canada, Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, and Spain. They must be uneducated religious freaks...oh wait...

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Originally posted by system-7 So please respect those of us that are married and believe in the true definition of marriage. :uts on anti-flame suit::

I've been married for 15 years. Gays/lesbians want to say the same thing. Love is love no matter who says it to whom. And why cant they have the same rights as heteros? I would love to see how the ones who voted yes and have kids, the kids hid being gay for all this time and come out to their parents after the vote. Son says "thanks mom and dad for not giving me the sames rights as you have just cause I love a man". I'm sure they would think twice but then again they brainwash their kids.

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Originally posted by system-7 Marriage is between a man and a women, period.

Yeah, polygamy all the way.

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Originally posted by SillySilvia I've been married for 15 years. Gays/lesbians want to say the same thing. Love is love no matter who says it to whom. And why cant they have the same rights as heteros? I would love to see how the ones who voted yes and have kids, the kids hid being gay for all this time and come out to their parents after the vote. Son says "thanks mom and dad for not giving me the sames rights as you have just cause I love a man". I'm sure they would think twice but then again they brainwash their kids.

You want to know one of the arguments someone I know used? That someone they know who had gay parents was "traumatized" by having gay parents. I asked her if she knows why that was the case? She couldn't answer. The reason is society. Society is fucking dumb.

someone once wrote, around 800 bc.. in a book that you all dispise.

"the good shall be called bad, and the bad good".. this moment in time is the beginning of that era.

so guess what.. don't worry too much about this.. I in all actually I do think it will pass.. give it about 10 years or so..

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Originally posted by system-7 someone once wrote, around 800 bc.. in a book that you all dispise. "the good shall be called bad, and the bad good".. this moment in time is the beginning of that era. so guess what.. don't worry too much about this.. I in all actually I do think it will pass.. give it about 10 years or so..

Great retort.

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Originally posted by system-7 someone once wrote, around 800 bc.. in a book that you all dispise. "the good shall be called bad, and the bad good".. this moment in time is the beginning of that era. so guess what.. don't worry too much about this.. I in all actually I do think it will pass.. give it about 10 years or so..

it actually started several years ago when the good (priests) started to be called bad for molesting little boys.

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Originally posted by system-7 ... I'm not a gay/lesbian hater either.. heck.. I've gone to your types of clubs and I party around you as well.. I dont' agree with your lifestyle, but I don't disrepect you either. So please respect those of us that are married and believe in the true definition of marriage.

lets try looking at this way...

lets say some muslim views were pushed onto you, ie written into our state laws...i mean, you are not muslim, but you are forced to do as what this muslim view says. do you think this would be fair or right to you?

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Originally posted by skizzell it actually started several years ago when the good (priests) started to be called bad for molesting little boys.

I agree, and the term for that is apostasy.

I guess I shouldn't tell you about how the people of my own church worked against the relationship between my wife, my girlfriend back then to cause confusion which shyed me away from going to church until this day.

Or maybe I should go into the details of how my wife's brother was molested by a church leader, offering him porn at age 12 and money so he could watch him have sex with another girl, or offering to pay for a prostitute.

Or how the pastor of that church uses people to work for him and make money by preaching about how " if you work for God, he will bless you" which helps him pay for his mortgage of his home in a nicer side of town, while his church is in the ghetto. i could tell you the stories which would totally discredit the belief, but it was man that played it that way.

I could go into those details, but it woulldn't change the fact that what is wrong is wrong. Yeah, i've been around the block and back..

System: Did you read the massive post I had earlier in this page?

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Originally posted by pnutttty lets try looking at this way... lets say some muslim views were pushed onto you, ie written into our state laws...i mean, you are not muslim, but you are forced to do as what this muslim view says. do you think this would be fair or right to you?

how is the different from you trying to impose your views of redefining marriage?

this mess is like trying to define 1 + 1 = 2, someone woke up one morning and wants to change it to 1 + 2 = 10, there is no logic, therefore there is no logic in defining marriage. the requirementis a man + woman.

As for rules being pushed on Christians, this is nothing new. During the Roman rule when Ceasar put out a law that persecute the founding christians of that time. Why? because he said he was god, an no one would worship anyone else but him.

keep the ?'s coming..

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Originally posted by system-7 this mess is like trying to define 1 + 1 = 2, someone woke up one morning and wants to change it to 1 + 2 = 10, there is no logic, therefore there is no logic in defining marriage. the requirementis a man + woman.

You contradicted yourself 100% in that passage. No one wants to change the equation of 1+1=2. They want to say that each "1" is ambiguous in the eyes of the law, but not your own personal view.

And ALSO

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel System: Did you read the massive post I had earlier in this page?

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Originally posted by system-7 how is the different from you trying to impose your views of redefining marriage? this mess is like trying to define 1 + 1 = 2, someone woke up one morning and wants to change it to 1 + 2 = 10, there is no logic, therefore there is no logic in defining marriage. the requirementis a man + woman. As for rules being pushed on Christians, this is nothing new. During the Roman rule when Ceasar put out a law that persecute the founding christians of that time. Why? because he said he was god, an no one would worship anyone else but him. keep the ?'s coming..

funny, you still didnt answer the easy yes or no question, would you think this is fair? probably not.

see separation of church and state. if you dont agree with this, then see the muslim example.

Give him a bit. He should be reading my massive post. If he is not, then it is more than just a lost cause.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel You contradicted yourself 100% in that passage. No one wants to change the equation of 1+1=2. They want to say that each "1" is ambiguous in the eyes of the law, but not your own personal view. And ALSO

well if the equation of marriage reads man + woman, you can't change that.

God set it out with those requirements, but man's will changes it.

and no, i did not read you post, what page is it on?

hah, smart ass.. I would like to change my equation.. it should read

a + b = c. a=man b=woman c= marriage.. you guys want to toss a D in

there, but D can't be put in with A, because C goes before D. you get my point.

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Originally posted by system-7 well if the equation of marriage reads man + woman, you can't change that. God set it out with those requirements, but man's will changes it. and no, i did not read you post, what page is it on? hah, smart ass.. I would like to change my equation.. it should read a + b = c. a=man b=woman c= marriage.. you guys want to toss a D in there, but D can't be put in with A, because C goes before D. you get my point.

No we don't want a d. We want it to say a= person 1 and b= person 2. That is all.

And the post is on this same page (that is if you aren't on n00b settings which would be 12 posts per page.)

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Originally posted by pnutttty funny, you still didnt answer the easy yes or no question, would you think this is fair? probably not. see separation of church and state. if you dont agree with this, then see the muslim example.

that was my answer, but you present two absolutes yes or no.

also, separation of church and state was setup to protect the church from the state, not the other way around. Isn't this why the pilgrims then colonist settled in new england?

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Originally posted by system-7 that was my answer, but you present two absolutes yes or no. also, separation of church and state was setup to protect the church from the state, not the other way around. Isn't this why the pilgrims then colonist settled in new england?

No it was created for protection of both. So that the state doesn't intervene in religious proceedings that it shouldn't, and that the religious don't intervene in state proceedings when they shouldn't. This was to create EQUAL PROTECTION FOR ALL.

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