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it's said quite clearly in the image that it's supposed to be updated regularly. why hasn't it been updated in the last 3 years?

Israeli military should be ashamed of itself. And we're not even talking about the dead UN aid workers here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7819492.stm

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Israel 'shelled civilian shelter' Israeli forces shelled a house in the Gaza Strip which they had moved around 110 Palestinians into 24 hours earlier, the UN quotes witnesses as saying. The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) called it "one of the gravest incidents" since the beginning of the offensive. The shelling at Zeitoun, a south-east suburb of Gaza City, on 5 January killed some 30 people, the report said. Israel says it has looked into the allegations and they are unfounded. Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said no Israeli soldiers had been in the area on the day the incident was supposed to have happened. The OCHA report said: "According to several testimonies, on 4 January Israeli foot soldiers evacuated approximately 110 Palestinians into a single-residence house in Zeitoun (half of whom were children) warning them to stay indoors. "Twenty-four hours later, Israeli forces shelled the home repeatedly, killing approximately 30." The UN said those who survived and were able walked 2km to the main north-south road to be transported to hospital in civilian vehicles. "Three children, the youngest of whom was five months old, died upon arrival at the hospital," the report said. 'No safe haven' Allegra Pacheco, of OCHA in Jerusalem, said they were not accusing the Israelis of a deliberate act, but said the incident needed to be investigated. She also said they were concerned at claims by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) that ambulances were only allowed access to the neighbourhood on Thursday - four days after the alleged incident. The ICRC on Thursday accused Israel of failing to fulfil its duty to help wounded civilians in Gaza. "In Gaza, there is a severe protection of civilians crisis. There is no safe haven, no safe space, for all the civilians, particularly children," Ms Pacheco told the BBC. "Since the ground operation, the number of children killed has risen by 250%." An estimated 770 Palestinians and 14 Israelis have died in nearly two weeks of Israel's air and ground offensive against the Palestinian militant group Hamas. The UN Security Council has called for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza.

Israeli terrorists hard at work.

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Iran Threatens to Break Israel's Gaza Blockade http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/3288.cfm It is hard to imagine how much worse the situation could get, but the confrontation in Gaza could see a dangerous escalation in the coming days as Iran threatens to break the Israeli blockade and deliver urgently needed medical supplies and other aid to the coastal strip. If the ground offensive currently underway in Gaza becomes a full-fledged occupation with the resultant removal of Hamas from authority, then the arrival of the MV Iran Shahed in the Mediterranean will be something of an anti-climax. Too little, too late. But while even a small stretch of beach remains under Palestinian control, there is the frightening possibility that Iranian Red Crescent volunteers might attempt a landing. There is no denying that what has long been described as a humanitarian crisis in Gaza is rapidly descending into a humanitarian catastrophe. Despite the Israeli "withdrawal" from Gaza in 2005, the Jewish State controls all border crossings, airspace, and the coastline -- creating what critics have described as the largest open air prison in the world. Following the victory of Hamas in parliamentary elections in 2006, the territory was essentially placed under siege, with increasing shortages of even the most basic of daily necessities. Iran has been a vocal critic of Arab nations, Egypt in particular, for not doing enough to break the Israeli siege and help the 1.5 million people of Gaza, and it seems they have now taken things into their own hands. Even at the best of times Iran's action would have been interpreted by US and Israeli authorities as a deliberate provocation. But given the rapid deterioration in the security situation over the past week, there are those who would accuse of Tehran of seeking a direct and possibly violent confrontation. But whatever their motive, nobody should be surprised that Tehran is making a move. "In recent years, in part due to poor US foreign policy decisions, Iran has been rising a power in the Middle East," says US-based political analyst and activist, Kevin Zeese. "By taking this type of action, they will be admired by many people of Arab and Persian descent," he said. Describing it as a "judo move" -- Zeese said through this non-violent action Iran will strengthen itself, and Israel will be weakened. "It is a judo move that uses Israel's strength against them." Zeese said it is a no-win situation for the Jewish State. "If they block the supplies it will make them look more inhumane," he said, "but if they let them through it will simply highlight the need for such humanitarian supplies." Professor Paul Sheldon Foote from California State University says it is time for decent people to act. "Iran is correct for taking a stand," he said, "Iran and other Islamic countries should do even more, such as breaking diplomatic relations with Egypt and Saudi Arabia unless the leaders of those countries end the Israeli siege, massacres, and invasions of Gaza." International human rights lawyer, Francis A. Boyle, however, doubts that any Arab countries have the stomach for a confrontation with Washington. "As for the leaders of the Arab states, most of them are in the pocket of the United States," he said, "Look at the Arab League, a worthless talking shop." He accused the Arab League only putting out meaningless statements in an attempt to convince their own people that they are doing something, but he said, "the Palestinians have always been on their own, and they know it." Boyle, who has offered his services to the government of Iran to represent them in a lawsuit against Israel, says there are measures the international community should immediately consider to halt the bloodshed. "A World Court lawsuit against Israel for genocide; reconvening the Emergency Special Session for Palestine by the UN General Assembly under the Uniting for Peace Resolution; comprehensive economic and other sanctions against Israel; and the suspension of Israel from all UN General Assembly activities, such as it did to South Africa and Yugoslavia." The Emergency Special Session for Palestine was first convened in 1997 and officially remains "adjourned." Hamas came to power in January 2006 through a fair and open election process. But according to many experts on the issue, their success had more to do with a deep dissatisfaction with Fatah rather than any particular support for Hamas policies. Fatah's failure to strike a firm and lasting deal with the Israelis and allegations of endemic corruption were the prime factors that decided the outcome of the election. The United States, the European Union and Israel immediately insisted that Hamas recognize the Jewish State and renounce violence.

Glad to see Iran making such a brave move.It is about time someone actually tries to help the people in Gaza.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Eh, I must say I'm a little surprised to hear you say that Arbiter, especially considering that you're from Native American descent. I'm guessing the concept of dehumanizing the victim of classical and neo-colonial to diminish the intensity and reality of the atrocities committed is not an alien concept to you, and shouldn't be to any American really. The cultural consciousness has supposedly progressed enough in that respect, although there are patches of denial that still exist. Even though the civil rights movement was only a few decades ago, the cold war is over, etc etc, it is has been a decently well understood concept, at least in academic and more well read circles, that racist propaganda to desensitize local population to state policies involving violence, coercion and social injustices is well... pretty much a standard text book method.

I'm certainly familiar with the concept. I admit, however, that I am not very sensitive when it comes to these issues. When you don't think humans are special to begin with, dehumanizing people loses all of its melodramatic effect; a mere lateral taxonomic reshuffling is no cause for alarm.

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In case you're interested, since you implicitly brought up the comparison of civility, here's something I read recently that reflect the standards modus operandi of how Arabs / Muslims operated (back in the "glory days"). Compare this to the racist and violent genocidal policies of colonial Anglo-Dutch-French-Spanish Europe, I think it's rather ironic and reeks of ignorance and their own deep seeded psychological insecurities when people brainwashed with only a western education (and I'm not restricting that to a formal education) have the audacity to call other cultures primitive, barbaric or uncivilized. You might find this an interesting read, it might change your opinion... or maybe not. But for what's it worth, it's not terribly long. I just find it really ironic and sad that any person of Native American descent would have similar perspective to that of the aggressors conscience.

Yes, colonial history is quite ugly. I, however, do not believe that an appropriate response to that historical ugliness would be to indiscriminantly kill random Americans. Similarly, I also do not believe that an appropriate response to the historical injustice in Palestine is the indiscriminant killing of Israeli citizens.

In either case, I don't know that I'd call it primitive, barbaric, or uncivilized, but I'd definitely call it unacceptable. And in either case, I would be in full support of the forceful termination of that course of conduct -- by whatever means necessary. And any collateral damage caused in the process, as far as I'm concerned, is one hundred percent the fault of those who have pursued that course of conduct, for it is they that have necessitated those means.

It doesn't have to be this way: it's totally up to the Palestinians. I'd be perfectly happy to be on their side. But my love is not unconditional. When the Palestinians deliver to me the head of the very last living person among them who believes that killing random Israeli civilians is an appropriate way of dealing with their present circumstances, and the historical injustices that led to them, then I will gladly apply the same vehemence to any further Israeli aggression that I presently apply to the conduct of Hamas.

Until they decide to take out their own garbage, however, I will continue to support Israel taking it out for them -- even if the process is regrettably messy. The sooner they realize that these terrorists need to be disposed of and cooperate, the sooner we can bury the problem once and for all.

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Israel's current assault on the Gaza Strip cannot be justified by self-defense. Rather, it involves serious violations of international law, including war crimes. Senior Israeli political and military leaders may bear personal liability for their offenses, and they could be prosecuted by an international tribunal, or by nations practicing universal jurisdiction over grave international crimes. Hamas fighters have also violated the laws of warfare, but their misdeeds do not justify Israel's acts. The United Nations charter preserved the customary right of a state to retaliate against an "armed attack" from another state. The right has evolved to cover nonstate actors operating beyond the borders of the state claiming self-defense, and arguably would apply to Hamas. However, an armed attack involves serious violations of the peace. Minor border skirmishes are common, and if all were considered armed attacks, states could easily exploit them -- as surrounding facts are often murky and unverifiable -- to launch wars of aggression. That is exactly what Israel seems to be currently attempting. Israel had not suffered an "armed attack" immediately prior to its bombardment of the Gaza Strip. Since firing the first Kassam rocket into Israel in 2002, Hamas and other Palestinian groups have loosed thousands of rockets and mortar shells into Israel, causing about two dozen Israeli deaths and widespread fear. As indiscriminate attacks on civilians, these were war crimes. During roughly the same period, Israeli forces killed about 2,700 Palestinians in Gaza by targeted killings, aerial bombings, in raids, etc., according to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem. But on June 19, 2008, Hamas and Israel commenced a six-month truce. Neither side complied perfectly. Israel refused to substantially ease the suffocating siege of Gaza imposed in June 2007. Hamas permitted sporadic rocket fire -- typically after Israel killed or seized Hamas members in the West Bank, where the truce did not apply. Either one or no Israelis were killed (reports differ) by rockets in the half year leading up to the current attack. Israel then broke the truce on Nov. 4, raiding the Gaza Strip and killing a Palestinian. Hamas retaliated with rocket fire; Israel then killed five more Palestinians. In the following days, Hamas continued rocket fire -- yet still no Israelis died. Israel cannot claim self-defense against this escalation, because it was provoked by Israel's own violation. An armed attack that is not justified by self-defense is a war of aggression. Under the Nuremberg Principles affirmed by U.N. Resolution 95, aggression is a crime against peace. Israel has also failed to adequately discriminate between military and nonmilitary targets. Israel's American-made F-16s and Apache helicopters have destroyed mosques, the education and justice ministries, a university, prisons, courts and police stations. These institutions were part of Gaza's civilian infrastructure. And when nonmilitary institutions are targeted, civilians die. Many killed in the last week were young police recruits with no military roles. Civilian employees in the Hamas-led government deserve the protections of international law like all others. Hamas's ideology -- which employees may or may not share -- is abhorrent, but civilized nations do not kill people merely for what they think. Deliberate attacks on civilians that lack strict military necessity are war crimes. Israel's current violations of international law extend a long pattern of abuse of the rights of Gaza Palestinians. Eighty percent of Gaza's 1.5 million residents are Palestinian refugees who were forced from their homes or fled in fear of Jewish terrorist attacks in 1948. For 60 years, Israel has denied the internationally recognized rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes -- because they are not Jews. Although Israel withdrew its settlers and soldiers from Gaza in 2005, it continues to tightly regulate Gaza's coast, airspace and borders. Thus, Israel remains an occupying power with a legal duty to protect Gaza's civilian population. But Israel's 18-month siege of the Gaza Strip preceding the current crisis violated this obligation egregiously. It brought economic activity to a near standstill, left children hungry and malnourished, and denied Palestinian students opportunities to study abroad. Israel should be held accountable for its crimes, and the U.S. should stop abetting it with unconditional military and diplomatic support. Mr. Bisharat is a professor at Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123...=googlenews_wsj

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When the Palestinians deliver to me the head of the very last living person among them who believes that killing random Israeli civilians is an appropriate way of dealing with their present circumstances, and the historical injustices that led to them, then I will gladly apply the same vehemence to any further Israeli aggression that I presently apply to the conduct of Hamas.

i dont understand how you can be so vehemently against hamas when they have been spectacularly ineffective at killing israeli civilians. you didn't see england bombing the shit out of northern island just to kill a few terrorists.

how can you give tacit approval for the destruction of civilian infrastructure in a third-world region by a first-world nation?

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I admit, however, that I am not very sensitive when it comes to these issues. When you don't think humans are special to begin with, dehumanizing people loses all of its melodramatic effect;

lol.

Excellent article PKC and thanks for sharing.As time goes we will see more and more criticizing from the international community.Very soon people around the world will begin to see the truth behind Israel.
I think it is just a matter of time before the American people begin to criticize their governments support behind Israel and all the money that goes to them year after year.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Very soon people around the world will begin to see the truth behind Israel.

the war in lebanon was the turning point for me. oh, and that fucking wall.

The war with Lebenon didnt achieve anything for them,Hezbullah is there and well prepared more then ever.

I just hope that they pay the price and realize that they are not above all laws and they cant just go and do whatever the fuck they want and kill as many as they can to achive their fuckin goals.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer The war with Lebenon didnt achieve anything for them,Hezbullah is there and well prepared more then ever. I just hope that they pay the price and realize that they are not above all laws and they cant just go and do whatever the fuck they want and kill as many as they can to achive their fuckin goals.

But unfortunately they are above UN law, especially with their Veto buddy having permanent presence in the security council

Israel will never get a sanction in todays world.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Excellent article PKC and thanks for sharing.As time goes we will see more and more criticizing from the international community.Very soon people around the world will begin to see the truth behind Israel. I think it is just a matter of time before the American people begin to criticize their governments support behind Israel and all the money that goes to them year after year.

the jewish lobby is very strong in the US. I doubt the US will turn its back on israel anytime soon. Many americans see israel fighting our battles over there. However irrational that view may be, americans are more than happy to appease that thought and provide material support to israel just to feel a little safer.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi But unfortunately they are above UN law, especially with their Veto buddy having permanent presence in the security council Israel will never get a sanction in todays world.

every country other than the US could just as easily impose sanctions on israel. admittedly, without US sanctions that power is significantly diminished, however, nothing prevents these countries from unilaterally imposing sanctions on israel.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the war in lebanon was the turning point for me. oh, and that fucking wall.

the fact is, that this "fucking" wall stopped the suicide bombings from the west bank and thus saves a lot of lifes on both sides.

important video i just found:
"Children of Hamas", please watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Israeli military should be ashamed of itself. And we're not even talking about the dead UN aid workers here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7819492.stm

A Russian telling Israeli military to behave! Phhhh

What's next?
Britney Spears conducting seminars for mothers on how to treat their children?

*sigh*



America surrenders it's national interest yet again.

"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel and it must remain undivided"

he lost me there. I doubt all countries would move their embassies from Tel Aviv.
I think the plight of East Jerusalem is one of the most controversial issues.
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dont understand how you can be so vehemently against hamas when they have been spectacularly ineffective at killing israeli civilians. you didn't see england bombing the shit out of northern island just to kill a few terrorists.

That they aren't very good at what they do does not make their orientation any less contemptible. Moreover, it is impossible to know how much more successful they might be at killing Israelis but for complained-of actions of Israel to protect itself in the past, and it is also impossible to know how much more successful they might become in the future if allowed to fester.

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how can you give tacit approval for the destruction of civilian infrastructure in a third-world region by a first-world nation?

Well, that's an inevitable result of armed conflict with an enemy located in dense civilian areas. If we hesitate to use necessary force to eliminate them because of the unfortunate side-effect of destroying civilian infrastructure, we only provide every other such group the world-over with an incentive to similarly structure their organizations so that they cannot be attacked without destroying civilian infrastructure.

In the long run, this state of affairs (which is already occurring) will serve to cause even more suffering. This misguided pseudo-humanitarianism is a particularly insidious ideology, spawned by a toxic mixture of myopia and false hope; save a life today, lose five later. I think it's a lousy bargain, but that is precisely the bargain that is achieved time and time again by "international pressure" on Israel.

I do not blame anyone for being dismayed when they see the carnage of war, but it is a mistake to infer from the fact that it is horrible that the alternative is preferable. Cancer treatments have the unfortunate effect of harming healthy human cells, but they are still cost-justified. Well, Hamas is a cancer, and delaying treatment is ill-advised.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant A Russian telling Israeli military to behave! Phhhh What's next? Britney Spears conducting seminars for mothers on how to treat their children?

What's this has anything to do with the thread? I dont have Russian citizenship BTW. I am Canadian. And besides, the record of Russian military is well documented. I am talking about Israeli military here and how its not a single bit better than possible actions of the Russian army. Israel has shown itself to be a very agressive force in this conflict, with little regard to civilians, UN workers, schools and other objects.

And I didnt praise Hamas either. So whats your problem?

Topic-wise: to the people who are backing Israeli actions - do you really think Israel once and for all will win this and put an end to the conflict? They can pummel Gaza all they want, but they are not gaining much with the offensive. Hamas has little to lose here. Average Palestinians arent gonna praise and salute Israel for saving them from "evil" and reducing their tiny overpopulated enclave of Gaza into smithereens.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Topic-wise: to the people who are backing Israeli actions - do you really think Israel once and for all will win this and put an end to the conflict? They can pummel Gaza all they want, but they are not gaining much with the offensive. Hamas has little to lose here. Average Palestinians arent gonna praise and salute Israel for saving them from "evil" and reducing their tiny overpopulated enclave of Gaza into smithereens.

They won't praise and salute Israel, but they might understand that investing all their money on long range rockets and firing them on Israel is stupid. In fact, in around year 2000, Palestinians form the west bank shot many mortars on the Gilo neighborhood in Jerusalem, but stopped for good after a serious operation by the IDF.

Why do the Palestinians in Gaza need rockets? Israel removed by force all Israeli settlements form Gaza and took away all of its soldiers. If the Palestinians won't shoot rockets from Gaza, won't try to attack and kidnapp soldiers near the border - so Israel would have no interest whatsoever to attack in Gaza.
Although its other neighbor Egypt has no interest in attacking Gaza.

So why do they need rockets?

Why not simply invest all the international aid money in education, health, industry etc.?
(well.. maybe because Hamas doesn't help the Palestinans achieve their plight for independant state, but simply serves the Iranian interests in the region)

I hope that this operation in Gaza will help them understand that. and that the cease-fire agreement will make it much more difficult for them to smuggle in new rockets.

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Originally posted by Flotser They won't praise and salute Israel, but they might understand that investing all their money on long range rockets and firing them on Israel is stupid. Why do the Palestinians in Gaza need rockets? So why do they need rockets?

How else would they resist a blockade?

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Why not simply invest all the international aid money in education, health, industry etc.? (well.. maybe because Hamas doesn't help the Palestinans achieve their plight for independant state, but simply serves the Iranian interests in the region)

They do invest in education, health, etc. Where have you been?

Hamas is particularly popular among Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, though it also has a following in the West Bank, and to a lesser extent in other Middle Eastern countries. Since its formation in 1987, Hamas has conducted numerous social, political, and military actions. Its popularity stems in part from its welfare and social services to Palestinians in the occupied territories, including school and hospital construction. The group devotes much of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. According to the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz "approximately 90 percent of the organization's work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities". CLICK

The work of Hamas in these fields supplements that provided by the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA). Hamas is also well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah. CLICK

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I hope that this operation in Gaza will help them understand that. and that the cease-fire agreement will make it much more difficult for them to smuggle in new rockets.

Obviously you, or your leadership do not know you enemy, or why they fight. The operation will help them understand what? That Israel is a brutal occupier? Because that's the message that's being sent.

Krypton, are you closing your eyes and ears on purpose, or are you really that naive? Don't you realize the "bloackde" has got absolutely nothing to do with Hamas rocket launches? If THEY themselves are proclaiming that they'll fight the Zionist entitity until its very last day, then who are YOU, Krypton, to convince us it's all about "resistance" against inhumane conditions? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...then it's probably a fasicst terrorist organization that cannot be appeased or confronted rationally.

Arbiter is shockingly clear about the problem. It may hurt our "humanist" eyes to read arguments of such brutal consequence, but at the end, you know he's right. History has only proven him right. Hamas is not a political reistance movement, it's a totalitarian, and as simple as it sounds, criminal gang with a sick ideology.
When was the last times we tried to have a cup of coffee and understand the rationale of a serial rapist?

Highly recommended

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FIRST GAZA, THEN THE WORLD The confrontation in the Gaza Strip is not between Hamas and Israel, but rather between Al Qaeda, Iran and radical Islam, and the free world Ben Dror Yemini (originally was published in Hebrew Maariv) Some of Israel�s most blatant critics have written that for every Israeli killed, about a hundred Palestinians were killed. A half-truth is worse than a lie, but this is not even a half truth. This is deception. Because months and years of rockets fired at a civilian population are not a matter for bloody accounts. It is a nuisance that no country, neither Syria nor Sweden, would tolerate. It is a provocation that requires a tough response. And if we are already going for bloody accounts, we should do the overall math. We can suffice with just the accounting in the Arab-Muslim world. So, since the establishment of the State of Israel, close to 12 million Arabs and Muslims have been butchered, most of them by Arabs and Muslims. Israel�s �contribution,� since its establishment, is 60,000, and that includes all the wars and the two Intifadas. In other words, half a percent. And more importantly, the confrontation is not between Hamas with its rockets and Israel. The confrontation is between Hamas, as one of the entities that compose radical Islam, and the free world. Its declared goal is to establish a world Islamic caliphate as part of an anti Semitic ideology that also calls for the annihilation of the Jews. Explanations will follow. And since political Islam has already annihilated millions without any announcement, we should take it seriously when there is an announcement about annihilation. Is Hamas part of the global Jihad? Section 7 of the Hamas Covenant explains that it is not a local movement, nor even a national movement. The heading is �The global nature of the Islamic resistance movement.� And later, �Because the Muslims are spread throughout the entire world, the movement is global.� To remove any doubt, Dr. Yunis Al Astal, a member of the Palestinian parliament, one of the senior Hamas officials, who served as dean of the faculty are of Shariyah and chairman of the Islamic Law Department at Islamic University, stated that "We Will Conquer Rome, and from There Continue to Conquer the Two Americas and Eastern Europe." Is this a movement that calls for the annihilation of the Jews? That is what is written in a continuation of the same section. �The messenger (Mohammed) said, �The Muslims will fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them, until the Jew hides behind the stones and the trees, and then the stones and the trees will say, �Oh, Muslim, Abd Allah, there is a Jew who is hiding, come and kill him.� And this is in addition to blaming the Jews for all the wars in the world, for world domination, etc. The problem is not with quotes from the sources. After all, even Judaism has Rabbi Shimon, who said, �The best gentile is a dead one.� But that did not become the foundation for any movements. Certainly not for a government party. To the contrary. There are innumerable interpretations explaining the circumstances of that statement and its lack of relevance. Not so with Hamas. The old imperative has become a practical instruction. And the Hamas leaders leave no room for doubt. Sheikh Muhsin Abu Ita stated on the Al Aqsa channel that �The annihilation of the Jews is a wonderful blessing.� Dr. Ahmed Bahar, acting speaker of the Palestinian parliament stated that �the Jews are cancer, and they and the Americans should be destroyed to the last person.� According to the Palestinian constitution, this man, Bahar, will become the head of the Palestinian Authority if Abu Mazen ceases to function. Dr. Al Astal made clear that the annihilation order is a matter for our time and not for the future, and that "we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews". The book by Dr. Matthias Kuntzel, �Jihad and Jew-Hatred,� elaborates on the annihilation ideology of radical Islam, including among Hamas. We have not yet succeeded in imparting this awareness to the world. It is still not too late. There is no logic in madness The most symbolic event occurred in Iraq. A Shi�ite suicide bomber carried out his attack during a Sunni demonstration of identification with Hamas. A bit confusing, no? After all, this Shi�ite terrorist was supposed to be serving Iranian interests. Iran, as we know, is the country that aids Hamas. And even the battle cries of the demonstrators contained the common denominator of the Shi�ites and the Sunnis: burning Israeli flags and calling for its extermination. So why commit suicide there, of all places? Who was he working for? What exactly was he trying to achieve? Against whom was he protesting? Don�t look for answers, because we are dealing with madness. And any attempt to find some logic is doomed to failure. Slaughter for the sake of slaughter Samuel Huntington - the prophet of the Clash of Civilizations - died. He was wrong. There is primarily another war, of political Islam against Muslims. And, in effect, it is not a war. It is one-sided slaughter in which the radicals slaughter others, and the others have no idea of how they might have sinned. Women and children who were butchered in villages in Afghanistan and Algeria by the Taliban or the Islamic Front were not collaborating with the West. It was slaughter for the sake of slaughter. Just like the hundreds of Indians in Mumbai, among whom were 44 Muslims (far more than the Westerners or Jews) who were massacred by other Muslims. Exactly like hundreds of Muslims who are slaughtered by other Muslims in innumerable suicide attacks in Pakistan,. But there is a small addition. In the case of Muslims, 95% of the protest from Pakistan through Um el Fahem to Londonistan, is in favor of the radical Muslims. Muslims in favor of those who are massacring them. Like the demonstrators in Iraq. The fact that they came to demonstrate for Hamas and against Israel did not help them. They, too, were worthy of slaughter. We have already said that there is no logic. We reiterate it. Israel is defeating itself Lately, when the prevarication mills (the �industry of lies�) began working at full steam on the bitter fate of the refugees in the Gaza Strip, who once again were forced to experience violence, the Cinematheque in Tel Aviv screened the film, The Forgotten Refugees, by director Michael Grynszpan. The film has already been shown in many places around the world, including in the U.S. Congress, but not on any channel in Israel. The film deals with the Jewish communities in Muslim countries - a million people at the end of the second world war - who were forced to leave or expelled with an enormous amount of property expropriated. They became refugees, primarily in Israel. The Nakba occurred because the Arabs rejected the UN proposal, and because they declared a war of annihilation on Israel. The Nakba of the Jews in Islamic countries, in contrast, occurred without a reason. The Jews of Morocco or Yemen or Iraq or Egypt did not declare any war. But despite that, in some cases, in Iraq and in Libya, dozens of Jews were slaughtered. There is no "progressive" academic who does not inflate the Dir Yassin episode. But the slaughter of Jews by Arabs is never mentioned. Most of them arrived with absolutely nothing. They lived in immigrant camps. But they were not perpetuated as an open wound, as refugees, like the Palestinians. Israel, for reasons that are hard to understand, has never played the card of the Jewish refugees. The story of the forgotten refugees could have been the unequivocal Israeli response to the issue of the Palestinian refugees. After all, the right of the Jewish refugees to reparations is far greater than the right of the Palestinians. The former suffered and were forced out, despite the fact that they started no war and declared no annihilation. The latter did. So the Jews, and only the Jews, have the right to reparations. Those who do not succeeded in executing their plots of annihilation have no right to reparations. There is no historical precedence for an aggressor who turns himself into a victim. Such an absurdity has never existed, nor will it. Even in this matter, Israel has defeated itself in the propaganda battle. And here, too, it is not too late to rectify the error.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Krypton, are you closing your eyes and ears on purpose, or are you really that naive?

Please refrain from addressing me personally, thank you...

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Don't you realize the "bloackde" has got absolutely nothing to do with Hamas rocket launches? If THEY themselves are proclaiming that they'll fight the Zionist entitity until its very last day, then who are YOU, Krypton, to convince us it's all about "resistance" against inhumane conditions? If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...then it's probably a fasicst terrorist organization that cannot be appeased or confronted rationally.

And the USSR was sworn to the destruction of America. But the two still dealt with each other didn't they? And yes, the blockade has a lot to do with the current campaign of rocket strikes because more rockets are being launched now than ever before the blockade. It's easy to call Hamas a fascist terrorist organization, then again, it's easy to call Israel a Zionist terrorist aparteid state. Where are we? Absolutely nowhere.

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Originally posted by Krypton Please refrain from addressing me personally, thank you...

Please refrain from roll-eyeing me

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And the USSR was sworn to the destruction of America. But the two still dealt with each other didn't they? And yes, the blockade has a lot to do with the current campaign of rocket strikes because more rockets are being launched now than ever before the blockade. It's easy to call Hamas a fascist terrorist organization, then again, it's easy to call Israel a Zionist terrorist aparteid state. Where are we? Absolutely nowhere.

The big difference is that Islamist terror organizations are radical up to suicidal and in their essence theological and thus reluctant to rational arguments.

Again, please, at least take a few seconds to think about it: Fatah / the PLO was, although radical and violent at times, always secular and politically motivated. Hamas is beyond politics. Current political issues (once it was the occupation and the settelements, after the disengagement it's the "blockade", next it will be Jerusalem, then the refugees, then, eventually, the core problem, namel Israel's very existence) are means of justification. They are tools. I admit that as long as these "excuses" can be grasped, the might find more followers. But on the other hand, as I already tried to point out in my previous post, "desperation" alone does not smuggle rockets and establish a highly sophisticated terror infrastructure. Hamas is the catalyst that is consciously perptuating the Palestinian misery in order to maintain their fertile recruitment soil. You're confusing cause and effect.

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Originally posted by Krypton How else would they resist a blockade?

after israel withdrew form Gaza there was no blockade.
blockades were always imposed in response to rocket attacks.

The same was during 6-month truce this year, there were no blockades, but only afttaer rocket attaks:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mi...e+--+World+News
Associated Press / June 25, 2008

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Palestinian militants fired three homemade rockets into southern Israel yesterday, threatening to unravel a cease-fire days after it began, and Israel responded by closing vital border crossings into Gaza. Despite what it called a "gross violation" of the truce, Israel refrained from military action and said it would send an envoy soon to Egypt to work on the next stage of a broader cease-fire agreement: a prisoner swap that would bring home an Israeli soldier held by Hamas for more than two years.

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