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640 Architects and Engineers Call for New 9/11 Investigation


Evidence of Explosives Found in Destruction of All 3 WTC High-Rises

AE911Truth to Display Evidence at National AIA Convention 4/30 � 5/2, Moscone Center
Press Conference/Speaking Engagement Saturday May 2 at 4 pm, Westin Market Street Hotel

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact Phone: 510-292-4710
Site: AE911Truth.org
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Berkeley, CA, April 23, 2009 � More than 640 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) are calling for a new, independent investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center high-rises. These building professionals cite evidence of explosive demolition at all three WTC high-rises on 9/11 and document the evidence at their website. Michael Heimbach, assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, wrote that their claims and conclusion were "backed by thorough research and analysis."

AE911Truth will host exhibitor's information booth #2609 at this year's annual convention of the prestigious American Institute of Architects (AIA). The convention, with more than 800 exhibitors and more than 20,000 participating architects, will take place in San Francisco's Moscone Center, April 30-May 2.

This exhibition will be followed up on Saturday May 2nd with a dynamic multi-media presentation by AE911Truth founder Richard Gage, AIA. Mr Gage will cover the forensic evidence found at the crime scene as well as a review of the omissions in the official FEMA and NIST reports. Join AE911Truth at the Westin Market Street Hotel at 50 Third St. in San Francisco at 4:00 pm on Saturday for this thorough review of the myth-shattering information.

Time magazine acknowledged in 2006 that the 9/11 Truth movement was not a "fringe phenomenon," but "a mainstream political reality." As well, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition signers have been encouraged by President Obama's promise to "restore science to its rightful place."

Join AE911Truth at booth #2609 to review the startling evidence not reported in the media or by agencies in charge of the investigations.

Nalin & Kane - Open Your Eyes

i have neither the time nor inclination to keep discussing this with you as you merely keep jumping from topic to topic every time i refute your nonsense. i just wanted to point out that

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Originally posted by culorut PNAC the war mongers (Cheney, Rumsfield, Kagan, etc) stated they needed a Pearl Harbor to engage the American people into going to war.

this is completely wrong, shows you havent even read the PNAC document. it says nothing of the sort, and im tired of your ignorant quote-mining ways. the quote you are bastardising here was talking about military technology and certainly wasn't talking about a pearl harbour attack to galvanise the populace into war

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"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event � like a new Pearl Harbor".

"The odd word here seems to be "transformation". What do they mean? Let's look back to the beginning of the same chapter."

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"To preserve American military preeminence in the coming decades, the Department of Defense must move more aggressively to experiment with new technologies and operational concepts, and seek to exploit the emerging revolution in military affairs. Information technologies,in particular, are becoming more prevalent and significant components of modern military systems. These information technologies are having the same kind of transforming effects on military affairs as they are having in the larger world. The effects of this military transformation will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what kinds of weapons will dominate the battlefield and, inevitably, which nations enjoy military preeminence".

"So "transformation" refers to the process of introducing more information technologies into the military. What does 9/11 have to do with that? Nothing at all. In fact, the attacks demonstrated that one of the PNAC's pet schemes, a global missile shield, is entirely useless when planes can become bombs."

http://www.911myths.com/html/new_pearl_harbour.html

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this is completely wrong, shows you havent even read the PNAC document. it says nothing of the sort, and im tired of your ignorant quote-mining ways. the quote you are bastardising here was talking about military technology and certainly wasn't talking about a pearl harbour attack to galvanise the populace into war

Actually I have read the PNAC document, many times. It seems you do not understand it and posting shitty links from 911 myths proves that your view is the biggest pile of shit I have ever seen. Talk about a dis-information website. Trying to justify an administration from what they said very clearly shows you are brainwashed and cannot over come the denial.




If you do not want to post in here go right ahead. At least we will have one less ignorant idiot to deal with while discussing the real facts/agenda of 9/11 and the former criminal administration.

Good luck to you.

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Originally posted by culorut Actually I have read the PNAC document, many times.

you're either a liar or your reading comprehension level is that of a primary school student. take your pick. nowhere in that document did it call for a 'new pearl harbour attack'. loser.

Page 51

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event � like a new Pearl Harbor.

And page 67

the Navy might face a future Pearl Harbor � as unprepared for war in the post-carrier era as it was unprepared for war at the dawn of the carrier age.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/R...casDefenses.pdf

Cannot figure it out yet (loser)? You sound like an idiot trying to justify what you think transformation means when it's a little obvious they were preparing for something they absolutely knew was going to transpire.

This document is/was basically their way of saying get ready, we know it's coming and you will have to abide by our new military future, one which we are presently living in today.

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Originally posted by culorut Cannot figure it out yet (loser)? You sound like an idiot trying to justify what you think transformation means when it's a little obvious they were preparing for something they absolutely knew was going to transpire.

How do you know what "they" know? Are you an insider in on their super secrets?

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This document is/was basically their way of saying get ready, we know it's coming and you will have to abide by our new military future, one which we are presently living in today.

Talk about a leap to conclusion. I'm glad they decided to tell us about their super secret conspiracy through some code in a strategic policy document only paranoid conspiracy theorists can read in to.

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Originally posted by culorut Page 51 Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event � like a new Pearl Harbor. And page 67 the Navy might face a future Pearl Harbor � as unprepared for war in the post-carrier era as it was unprepared for war at the dawn of the carrier age. http://www.newamericancentury.org/R...casDefenses.pdf Cannot figure it out yet (loser)? You sound like an idiot trying to justify what you think transformation means when it's a little obvious they were preparing for something they absolutely knew was going to transpire. This document is/was basically their way of saying get ready, we know it's coming and you will have to abide by our new military future, one which we are presently living in today.

like i said

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your reading comprehension level is that of a primary school student.

should have stayed at school cretinrot. they might have been able to teach you how to read properly. nice try though, it did give me a laugh! i almost feel sorry for you. almost.

Saying "we're vulnerable to a Pearl Harbor type attack" does not in any way mean they were planning a Pearl Harbor type attack...

Seriously, do you read the things you type?

I hate PNAC - absolutely despise everything they stood for, for reasons both practical (policy) and philosophical. But this argument is stupid, and misrepresenting what PNAC actually wrote makes the legitimate case against them more difficult to make.

You rely on that PNAC document like a holy grail for the truther movement - some sort of smoking gun proving each and every theory that crosses your mind. Yet you've made two problematic poor assumptions: 1. that the document means anything other than what it says - it's abrasive enough at face value, and frankly a loosely-associated group of ideologues couldn't ever dream up anything more insidious (for God's sake, just read Francis Fukuyama, who signed the document and later disavowed the group, but remains one of the most prominent conservatives in the intellectual community - think he would hesitate to out the planning of an attack against the US?) and 2. that PNAC holds any real relevance in the policy or intellectual realm of American foreign policy today. It's a completely disgraced and defunct association, and for you to say that they're somehow involved in a "New World Order" is just laughable. For God's sake, it was a think-tank consultant group even when it WAS a viable organization.

The more you post this kind of stuff, the more I'm convinced that your day job is to stand at the street corner muttering to yourself and warning of all sorts of doomsday conspiracies. Have you been abducted by UFOs as well?

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Originally posted by Krypton How do you know what "they" know? Are you an insider in on their super secrets? Talk about a leap to conclusion. I'm glad they decided to tell us about their super secret conspiracy through some code in a strategic policy document only paranoid conspiracy theorists can read in to.

Unless you have not paid attention to what the same members of PNAC and the last administration have done you must be living under a fukin rock then. I really do not need to get into details of the shit they have pulled off because over the years it has been a little obvious what their agenda was and still is.

This thread will be over with in a few months when the nuts move on to the Mexico Flu Pandemic NWO global conspiracy...

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Saying "we're vulnerable to a Pearl Harbor type attack" does not in any way mean they were planning a Pearl Harbor type attack...

Knowing what they are capable of I do not put anything by them and many people like myself agree.

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I hate PNAC - absolutely despise everything they stood for, for reasons both practical (policy) and philosophical. But this argument is stupid, and misrepresenting what PNAC actually wrote makes the legitimate case against them more difficult to make.

Your feelings on a group of individuals should not effect what you base your conclusions on.

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You rely on that PNAC document like a holy grail for the truther movement - some sort of smoking gun proving each and every theory that crosses your mind.

It is not some sort of holy grail, it is just one of thousands upon thousands of things wrong (right in this case) with the official story. Take a pick it all leads to a cover up.

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should have stayed at school cretinrot. they might have been able to teach you how to read properly. nice try though, it did give me a laugh! i almost feel sorry for you. almost.

I do know how to read, you do not comprehend.

What I find absolutely comical is how you and the bunch like you cannot get over the fact that this administration has proven been to lie, go to war based on these lies and torture people based on lies but when it comes to 9/11 they suddenly have halos over their heads when everything points in the other direction.

How fuking pathetically ignorant.

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Originally posted by culorut Knowing what they are capable of I do not put anything by them and many people like myself agree.

Do you have any idea of what PNAC actually is, and what these people were actually doing when they wrote that document?

This is why people call you paranoid.

Well this is what they want(ed) everyone to believe they stand for (which is not the case).


The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; and that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle.

The Project for the New American Century intends, through issue briefs, research papers, advocacy journalism, conferences, and seminars, to explain what American world leadership entails. It will also strive to rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world.


Seems pretty fukin sketchy to me any way they want to put it.

Ok, so now that you know their mission statement, kindly explain and provide evidence for your out-of-left-field assertion that they planned and carried out 9/11 and are working to institute a New World Order (I'll be asking you to explain how those two things are coherent in relation to one another later).

LOL, you figure it out. I believe you can read.

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Originally posted by culorut LOL, you figure it out. I believe you can read.

Yes, but let's pretend for a moment that I can't find any documentation to read that says anything close to what you're positing.

See, this is your problem - you make outlandish claims and then run away from substantiating any of them, opting to post hit and run youtube videos and copy paste jobs from equally vague and outlandish websites.

You then label anyone who rightly asks you for proof as somehow ignorant, when in reality, they're exercising good judgment in not jumping all over your hastily-drawn conclusions based on nothing more than suppositions such as "The government has hid things in the past... therefore they must hide everything... therefore anybody who has a theory about what the government might be hiding must be right!"

Can't you see that the above is not logical without proof that the theories you promote have some basis in fact? I can tell you that there's a global conspiracy of governments to promote creationism in our classrooms, but that doesn't mean you should take it on faith that I'm right. You should ask me to provide the documentation and evidence that led me to draw that conclusion, so that you may weigh it and come to your own conclusion yourself... which is exactly what we are doing and what you are scoffing at.

Also, and I don't know why I'm trying to help you, your use of pronouns is completely counterproductive. The ever-elusive "they" doesn't help substantiate any of your claims.

Your story, as best as I can comprehend it, seems to be this:

"Back in the 1980s, the CIA created al-Qaeda to commit terrorist acts against the United States, because they felt that the constant security threat to the United States would make it inevitable that the government would pay money to defense contractors for more weapons. This culminated in the framing of Muslim hijackers on 9/11, when in reality the government shot down United 93, launched a missile into the side of the Pentagon, and used thermite bombs to bring down the World Trade Center. This can be proved because they evidently tipped off the owner of the World Trade Center, who bought a better insurance policy after real Islamics' attempt at blowing up the buildings in 1993.

Then, and this is where it gets good, the global conspiracy to create one world government created a group called PNAC to carry on the standard of old groups like the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderberg Group - organizations with completely different mandates, but all secretly doing work on ending national sovereignty and creating one New World Order.

PNAC's guilt can be seen by the fact that they warned the US wasn't ready for an attack, and would be caught off guard like a "new Pearl Harbor." They advocated increased American security activity abroad, which should be overlooked since it doesn't fit in with their greater mission of integrating the world under one government.

Also, every single person in government is in on this conspiracy, as are most of the academics, journalists, and policy analysts that compose some of these groups and who try to keep us dumb by giving fake news stories and suppressing the real ones (but believe me, I can tell the true from the fake!).

I don't have any proof for any of this, and I don't even realize that most of it wouldn't even be plausible when taken into consideration with some of the rest.

And if you don't believe all of that after what I told you, then either you CAN'T READ or you are IGNORANT and a SHEEPLE to the MEDIA!!"

Is that about right?

Because congratulations, after all these pages of ramblings, that's the entirety of what I've gleaned from your argument.

No names, no facts, nothing but unsubstantiated rambling.

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"Back in the 1980s, the CIA created al-Qaeda to commit terrorist acts against the United States, because they felt that the constant security threat to the United States would make it inevitable that the government would pay money to defense contractors for more weapons. This culminated in the framing of Muslim hijackers on 9/11, when in reality the government shot down United 93, launched a missile into the side of the Pentagon, and used thermite bombs to bring down the World Trade Center. This can be proved because they evidently tipped off the owner of the World Trade Center, who bought a better insurance policy after real Islamics' attempt at blowing up the buildings in 1993. Then, and this is where it gets good, the global conspiracy to create one world government created a group called PNAC to carry on the standard of old groups like the Trilateral Commission, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Bilderberg Group - organizations with completely different mandates, but all secretly doing work on ending national sovereignty and creating one New World Order. PNAC's guilt can be seen by the fact that they warned the US wasn't ready for an attack, and would be caught off guard like a "new Pearl Harbor." They advocated increased American security activity abroad, which should be overlooked since it doesn't fit in with their greater mission of integrating the world under one government. Also, every single person in government is in on this conspiracy, as are most of the academics, journalists, and policy analysts that compose some of these groups and who try to keep us dumb by giving fake news stories and suppressing the real ones (but believe me, I can tell the true from the fake!). I don't have any proof for any of this, and I don't even realize that most of it wouldn't even be plausible when taken into consideration with some of the rest. And if you don't believe all of that after what I told you, then either you CAN'T READ or you are IGNORANT and a SHEEPLE to the MEDIA!!"

Congratulations Lebezniatnikov! You summed up the distorted myths about what you perceive people like myself believe regarding the 9/11 official conspiracy theory.

Do you believe the government is not covering up even the smallest bit of detail(s) when it comes to 9/11? If they are you do realize it is a cover up and chances are the lie becomes much bigger then just a small detail.

There is absolutely no reason to trust the last administration and they have proved to everyone over and over again that they are the true criminals.

They funded billions into our modern day terrorists.CHECK
They ignored countless 9/11 warnings from many countries.CHECK
They lied and omitted tons of information on the official reports. CHECK
They shipped away crucial evidence to be melted down after the attacks.CHECK
They told everyone the air was safe to breath.CHECK
They used 9/11 and the "war on terror" to continue their never ending war.CHECK
They lied to everyone regarding WMD's in Iraq.CHECK
They tortured people to get them to admit to crimes they did not commit.CHECK
They can continue lying and performing war crimes because people like you cannot OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES. CHECK MATE

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov

hands down- best synopsis

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Originally posted by culorut Unless you have not paid attention to what the same members of PNAC and the last administration have done you must be living under a fukin rock then. I really do not need to get into details of the shit they have pulled off because over the years it has been a little obvious what their agenda was and still is.

lol, once again you'v proved you don't know what the fuck you'r talking about......just answer the questions, oh holy priest of truth!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov No names, no facts, nothing but unsubstantiated rambling.

I'v been asking for this for months. Cretin is making some pretty serious allegations in which he basically accusing people of...treason. Yet, doesn't tell us who to charge or any evidence to charge them with in court. Cretin's case would be laughed right out of court in the first minute.

The only reason you will ever need is the last administration. Tell me do you believe they are angels or are you ignorant as fuk to all the other blatantly obvious war crimes they have committed in the last decade or so?

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Cretin is making some pretty serious allegations....

It's "cretino" for starters (Italian). And at least use a web translator, the internet is not that hard to figure out nowadays jerk off.

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