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Originally posted by culorut

- I think the gravity of our lies can be more than 'little white lies'- everyone has given a big fat REAL lie.
- Because a lie is more 'serious' now you can accuse treason?
- Sending your innocent people to get killed for profit is not treason- it's just profit, sadly.
- I don't know where the 9/11 commission 'scam' takes part in the conspiracy theory.

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Originally posted by yukii - Sending your innocent people to get killed for profit is not treason- it's just profit, sadly.

It's war profiteering is what is it is. I don't think he knows what treason really is...

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Originally posted by Krypton It's war profiteering is what is it is. I don't think he knows what treason really is...

I'm going to post this now bc it has nothing to do with the argument

You two should try to type in treason+Cheney into Google and see what everyone is talking about.

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Originally posted by yukii - I don't know where the 9/11 commission 'scam' takes part in the conspiracy theory.

Then how can you refute it?

Bush-Cheney are guilty of TREASON - Pelosi prevents impeachment


In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one�s sovereign or nation. A person who commits treason is known as a traitor.

These crimes and the impeachment of officers thereof are granted by the U.S. Constitution.

ARTICLE II: Section 4

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office of Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

ARTICLE III: Section 3

Treason against the United States, shall consist only 1) in levying War against them, or in 2) adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the person attained.

Ex parte Bollman, 8 U.S. 75 (1807), was a case brought before the United States Supreme Court, which ruled that:

�there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war�.

The Constitutional definition of treason is limited to actual, direct, and concrete involvement in an attempt to forcefully overthrow the government.

That is, treason is essentially a �military� offense. For instance, no amount of anti-government speech can qualify as treason, although giving away military secrets might.

The Supreme court could justifiably condemn them for conspiring with Enemies (of the Constitution). They have also used military force against the States and the People under the guise of their unconstitutional Military Commissions Act of 2006 and other high crimes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...s_Act#Criticism

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Originally posted by culorut You two should try to type in treason+Cheney into Google and see what everyone is talking about.

Is that what you tell the judge? Cheney is guilty of treason because when you google Cheney+treason, it has a lot of results. Seriously man...

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Originally posted by culorut Bush-Cheney are guilty of TREASON - Pelosi prevents impeachment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...s_Act#Criticism

No where in that document could it be said Cheney is guilty of treason. War crimes, yes. Failing to protect the constitution. Perhaps. Treason, no. And still, we have no indictable evidence the government committed treason on 911. Still waiting...

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Originally posted by Krypton No where in that document could it be said Cheney is guilty of treason. War crimes, yes. Failing to protect the constitution. Perhaps. Treason, no. And still, we have no indictable evidence the government committed treason on 911. Still waiting...

he speaks the truth.

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Originally posted by yukii he speaks the truth.

He defends war criminals. The difference between him, you and me is that you two need a reason to justify the belief that these same individuals have been honest with the people.

I clearly do not support the real terrorists and their version of what is the truth. Why anyone should is beyond me.

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Originally posted by Krypton Is that what you tell the judge? Cheney is guilty of treason because when you google Cheney+treason, it has a lot of results. Seriously man...

No it's what an overwhelming amount of people around the world believe they should be tried for.

Just another battle in where you are in the minority and cannot think outside the box for a moment.

*face palm* we're going in circles here.

Neither him or I defend war criminals.
Blah, blah, treason, blah, treason.
Let's put treason down for a while here.
Cheney's honestly/dishonestly/past- has no relevance on the 9/11 cons. theory.

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Originally posted by culorut He defends war criminals. The difference between him, you and me is that you two need a reason to justify the belief that these same individuals have been honest with the people. I clearly do not support the real terrorists and their version of what is the truth. Why anyone should is beyond me.

lol, wtf are you talking about? I'm asking you to substantiate your accusations of treason. You call that defending war criminals. What a joke...

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Originally posted by culorut No it's what an overwhelming amount of people around the world believe they should be tried for. Just another battle in where you are in the minority and cannot think outside the box for a moment.

Argumentum Ad Populum

An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."

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Originally posted by culorut LOL, you figure it out. I believe you can read.

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.

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Cheney's honestly/dishonestly/past- has no relevance on the 9/11 cons.

No relevance? Do you have a fever or something? Cheney made decisions before, during and after 9/11 that cost thousands of innocent deaths.

The very fact that he was running a military complex simultaneously that benefited in the billions of dollars because of their "war on terror" is enough to raise a few eyebrows.

It has everything to do with 9/11.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN 10 characteristics of ignorant sheep A useful guide by culorut 3. Inability to use common sense. For people who loudly advertise the "official conspiracy story(s)" while questioning nothing, they're pretty pathetic at admitting their own ignorance when the facts are laid in front of their eyes and proven wrong.

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Originally posted by Krypton Argumentum Ad Populum An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so."

Are you trying to justify that they should not be tried for war crimes then or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

Must be the ignorance and denial coming on strong again.

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Originally posted by Krypton By the way, I'm all for an independent 911 commission.

Just curious, why would that be? Lost a little faith in the the real criminals have we?

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Originally posted by culorut Are you trying to justify that they should not be tried for war crimes then or are you just arguing for the sake of it? Must be the ignorance and denial coming on strong again.

No, just pointing out how fucking stupid this statement is...

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By Culorot "No it's what an overwhelming amount of people around the world believe they should be tried for. Just another battle in where you are in the minority and cannot think outside the box for a moment."

You fucking idiot.

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Originally posted by culorut Just curious, why would that be?

So people like you would finally shut the fuck up.

If you are calling me an idiot for being correct then call me an idiot all you want. It does not take away from the fact that it is true that the majority of people would love to see these criminals brought to justice.


Unless of course you can prove otherwise instead of acting like a little bitch.

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Originally posted by Krypton So people like you would finally shut the fuck up.

Why the first commission was bang on? Or are you just making excuses again for their failure(s)?

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Originally posted by culorut Why the first commission was bang on? Or are you just making excuses again for their failure(s)?

Do you want your questions answered once and for all? I'd imagine probably not. You thrive off believing the government is out to get you.

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