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Originally posted by anuneventrade [font=comic sans ms]Sure thing skipper! (no pun intended)

Heh,sure.

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Once again, they may have heard of a God, but not yours. Are you trying to say all Hindu's/Buddhists/Jews/etc are going to hell simply because they don't believe in your God? Sounds overpowering to me. That's a lot of people going to hell. Once again, there have been many religions that have outlasted yours, and I highly doubt every person in history went to hell before Jesus came around.

OOH A God, I didn't see that. (sorry,didn't have my reading glasses on earlier.)
Ok well,if they haven't heard about Jehovah God, then they will be judge by their hearts,and only God can do that.

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Yes, but in different religions. Sometimes God takes the form of a few Gods actually.

I'm sure, but I don't follow other religions.

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I do believe everyone is simply questioning your reasoning of how you come to certain conclusions, especially with the contradictions of your religion.

I wasn't saying that people here are mocking my beliefs, I was just saying I don't think it's right to mock ones beliefs.

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Simply put: Not many of us think of the bible as a reliable source.

But, my point is. Just because not many of you do,that doesn't make me ignorant or idiotic.
Just because you don't believe in the Bible I'm not going to call you ignorant or idiotic.

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Actually, I do think you called someone childish/immature (but that was rightly so )

I do remeber saying immature,but I don't remeber saying childish. :/

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Just like it's someone's choice to believe in something other than Jesus. Do you really think you're going to affect someone who's Hindu by telling them they aren't going to get into heaven and sit next to Jesus? Absolutely not. They have their own belief system, just as you have yours. The only thing that bothers me about you is that you repeatedly make your contradictory religion out to be superior to other religions that have lasted far longer than yours.

Yes, I know people have that right. I'm not denying them of it.

That's not how you should go up to a person if you are explaining your belief. One way or another,it's a Christians job to tell people about the Lord. We can't save them,we simply just tell them about the love of God and go on.

But,God is the creator. He is omnipotent,He is the ruler of the universe. He is the father. ( even says so in the dictionary.)
That's what I believe,and that's what it says in the Bible.

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Good for you.

Isn't it just.

Occrider,you're in DC? I had no idea. I'm like,40 miles south of DC.

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Occrider,you're in DC? I had no idea. I'm like,40 miles south of DC.

Find out where he lives and get your Priest to perform an exorcism

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Originally posted by tathi Find out where he lives and get your Priest to perform an exorcism

I don't have a priest,and Occrider isn't possessed.

What you believe is largely irrelevant, it's why you believe that is the crux of these matters.

LOL you kids are so funny trying to justify or point out discrepancies of everything written down or translated then bash each other into oblivion.

Simply put...Nellie...you are spot on. The good book may not be a perfect scripture, but to me, and my beliefs, it holds more truths than tales.

In other news:

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HOLLYWOOD, CA�After watching Mel Gibson's The Passion Of The Christ Monday, Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ announced that He will demand creative control over the next film based on His life. "I never should have given Mel Gibson so much license," said Christ, the Son of God. "I don't like to criticize a member of the flock, but that close-up of the nails being pounded into My wrists�that was just bad." Our Lord did not limit His criticisms to Gibson's Passion; He expressed frustration with historical inaccuracies in numerous film adaptations of His life. "There have been a lot of films based on My life, and pretty much all of them have gotten it wrong," Christ said. "Just look at Godspell�what the heck was going on there? It's time I reclaim My image." Christ said He considered returning to the physical world to make an accurate film depiction of His life for years, but seeing The Passion prompted Him to finally descend from heaven, meet with His agent Ronald Thatcher, and demand that He be attached as a producer on any future projects. "Ron has a history of telling Me that the filmmakers 'totally understand' the Word Of God, and that the project is going to be 'fabulous,'" Christ said. "But when it comes out, it's all wrong, and Ron claims everything fell apart in post-production. At that point, there's nothing left for Me to do but say, 'Okay, fine. I forgive you all.' Well, next time, I'll be shepherding the project through from casting to final edit to marketing." Describing one of His biggest complaints, Christ said that no film about His life has ever "made the apostles pop." "In The Greatest Story Ever Told, the 12 are basically interchangeable," Christ said. "Directors get the piety, but they don't bring out the personalities behind the agape love. Some of those guys were real cut-ups, you know. Simon Peter could make you laugh until you cried tears of blood." In order to bring these and other truths to light, Christ teamed up with screenwriter Ron Bass, who wrote both Snow Falling On Cedars and My Best Friend's Wedding. The two have been co-writing a high-concept script, temporarily called Untitled Jesus Project. "We're still hammering out the treatment, but I'm really excited about where it's headed," Christ said. "It really beefs up My relationship with John the Baptist, something all of the other movies missed. They always put in the beheading, but they leave out the quiet moments when John and I would hang out, eat locusts and honey, and talk about the redemption of Man. I think our friendship will really resonate with a lot of viewers." Christ said He is also working on a heist film based loosely on the loaves-and-the-fishes incident, but that the project is currently stuck in development. "I tend to have problems pitching to studio executives," Christ said. "Last week, I appeared in a vision before a D-girl at Sony, and I said, 'Be not afraid, for I am Jesus�I have written a treatment and Matthew McConaughey is interested in the role of Herod.' Apparently, she was a little freaked-out by the vision and she ended up passing on the idea. Ron said that next time I should just schedule a lunch meeting like everyone else." Returning to film adaptations about His life and Word, Christ said some inaccuracies can be traced back to the source material, the New Testament. "Remember, at the time the Good Book was written, I was running around saving souls like a madman," Christ said. "I couldn't focus on a writing project, too. I basically gave My team of writers the broad strokes and hoped inspiration would fill in the cracks. Now, I'm not saying the New Testament isn't good�it is. It's great! But by the time I got around to reading the galleys, the monks had already finished the first printing." The Lord Jesus did have positive things to say about Martin Scorsese's The Last Temptation Of Christ. "Not only is Marty a fantastic director, but the story isn't the same old, same old," Jesus said. "It's like The Gospel of Mark filtered through an episode of The Twilight Zone. I love it. My one problem is with the casting of Willem Dafoe. He's good, but I think John Turturro would have made a better Me." In spite of His love for Scorsese, Christ said He has no plans to simply make "the next Last Temptation." "My movie about My life will be the greatest movie ever shown," Christ said. "It should be the last Word on Me. No more animated versions, no more musicals, and no more movies where the scourging scene is so violent, you could put it in Fangoria. I mean, yes, being crucified is very painful. But I can't see devoting more than, say, three minutes of film to it." Jesus added: "My version will have it all: drama, laughter, a spiritual message, and a couple of twists that will surprise even the most devout. The best part is that it'll be 100 percent accurate." Continued Christ: "Even with the top-notch screenplay Ron and I are writing, I'll still need a great director to make the script shine. Unfortunately, Gore Verbinski is already committed to Pirates Of The Caribbean 2. If only he'd see that this movie is truly the career path for the righteous, I'd be able to get a firm commitment from Johnny Depp, too. Let us pray."

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On I Samuel 15:2 The Amalekites attacked the Israelites after they crossed between the sea (moses opened the see in half with God�s helped). God defends his people, in this case the Israelites.

So I guess this proves that revenge and cold-blooded killing out of revenge are ok. Sweet, now that kid that called me fat and pushed me to the ground in second grade is going to pay.

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The Israelites were slaves on Egypt and God commanded to the Israelites that they asked for silver and gold to the Egyptian civilians because they have worked without being payed for 400 years. Again, God protects his children.

Doesn't change the fact that he commanded them to go and steal from the egyptians (plunder), even if they were working as slaves. The fact is he commanded them to go and steal. Ye shall spoil the egyptions, and they did.

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The Colt was borrowed if you keep reading the verse. The owners of the colt asked the disciples why were they untying the colt and they replied �The lords needs it� Obviously they didn�t steal it, the owners approved.

No where does it say the owners said, "sure, go ahead and take it." And don't say it was implied. Because I can say the exact opposite. The bible just left out the events that occured between the owners and the steale....borrowers. It just skips to, and they brought it to Jesus.

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Read Kings 22:22 �How the Lord asked him?� �he replied (Satan) I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his profets� So it wasn�t God who lied, it was Satan who lied for God.

Doesn't change the fact that God commanded him to lie. Or is commanding someone to lie on your behalf and actually doing the act 2 totally different things?

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Read John 5: 10 So the Jews said to the man who had been cured (a paralyzed man that was healed by Jesus on Sabbath) �It is the Sabbath: It is not lawful for you to carry your mat�

Still doesn't change the fact that he picked up his mat on the sabath day. Even if Jesus commanded him to. You do have the point that they aren't hunting Jesus because of his direct actions, but again, he commanded the man to pick up his mat on the Sabbath day. "Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk."

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On Genesis 22:2 Now if you read the whole story, Isaac was never sacrified. It was a test that God placed on Abraham to see were his loyalties lied. An angel stopped Abraham�s hands before he stabbed Isaac.

Yes you are right here. But that brings up the point, why did God need to test Abraham if God knows everything? Wouldn't he already know that Abraham feared God, or does God just like testing people by almost making them kill their son? Sounds like a ho-down to me.

And on most of these you only answered 1 of the contradictions, whereas there were multiple examples.

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Ok well,if they haven't heard about Jehovah God, then they will be judge by their hearts,and only God can do that.

make up your mind, those people didn't accept Jesus and therfore are going to hell. But here you mean that they have a chance of getting in even though they haven't accepted Jesus.

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That's not how you should go up to a person if you are explaining your belief. One way or another,it's a Christians job to tell people about the Lord. We can't save them,we simply just tell them about the love of God and go on.

And every other religion is saying that about Christians.

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Originally posted by priveye03 So I guess this proves that revenge and cold-blooded killing out of revenge are ok. Sweet, now that kid that called me fat and pushed me to the ground in second grade is going to pay. Doesn't change the fact that he commanded them to go and steal from the egyptians (plunder), even if they were working as slaves. The fact is he commanded them to go and steal. Ye shall spoil the egyptions, and they did. No where does it say the owners said, "sure, go ahead and take it." And don't say it was implied. Because I can say the exact opposite. The bible just left out the events that occured between the owners and the steale....borrowers. It just skips to, and they brought it to Jesus. Doesn't change the fact that God commanded him to lie. Or is commanding someone to lie on your behalf and actually doing the act 2 totally different things? Still doesn't change the fact that he picked up his mat on the sabath day. Even if Jesus commanded him to. You do have the point that they aren't hunting Jesus because of his direct actions, but again, he commanded the man to pick up his mat on the Sabbath day. "Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk." Yes you are right here. But that brings up the point, why did God need to test Abraham if God knows everything? Wouldn't he already know that Abraham feared God, or does God just like testing people by almost making them kill their son? Sounds like a ho-down to me. And on most of these you only answered 1 of the contradictions, whereas there were multiple examples.

Yeah I did only answer about 1 of the contradictions for each. I could go on and on but i don't have as much free time to do each one. Remember "God is the creator of the Universe and the World and the People" He can do anything he wants, and the 10 commandments don't apply to him or his son. Thats God and Christianity for you; accept it or deny it, i dont care. And ys God does like to test people to see were they loyalty stands, several tests through the Bible.

So let me get this straight, God and Jesus are perfect correct? But they can basically do/command people to do things that get them a quick ticket to the eternal flames of hell. So I guess being a hypocrite makes you perfect. Well then slap me silly and call me Jesus...

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Originally posted by albertoR This has got to be the SHITIEST PAGE ever. You cant use one line of the bible and oppose to another one with knowing the entire content and message of the verse. AND here is the ocmebacks to your so called "contradictions"

Well first of all, the entire point of the post is to not take the bible literally. Especially since it was written by an enormous number of people who were MEN. The ongoing debate is whether the bible should be taken at face value and literally because it is the WORD of God through men. If it IS the word of God through men then it's quite clear that God probably has alzheimer's or something.

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First of all, judges and eliminates the seeds that do not follow his path or his commandments. Remember �He is the creator of the universe, the people and the world� On I Samuel 15:2 The Amalekites attacked the Israelites after they crossed between the sea (moses opened the see in half with God�s helped). God defends his people, in this case the Israelites.

Hmmmm ok I see, so when God says thou shall not kill, he's only referring to the people that are innocent? So in every instance of the bible where God says to kill, that person is automattically one that he's judged and deemed worthy of elimination? I can see how events such as the inquisition and the crusades came to be. But I'll look at other passages I found myself and use them in their entirety:


Exodus Chapter 23
23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.

23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

23:23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

23:24 Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images.

23:25 And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

23:26 There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: the number of thy days I will fulfil.

I will send my fear before thee,
and will destroy all the people

23:27 I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.

I will send hornets
before thee

23:28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.

23:29 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee.

23:30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.

23:31 And I will set thy bounds from the Red sea even unto the sea of the Philistines, and from the desert unto the river: for I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee.

23:32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.

23:33 They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.

So God seems pretty indiscriminant in his judgement of all these different people that the Israelis are supposed to drive out and take their "inherited" land for themselves. Also once again, multiple Gods?

I suppose I can quote a million passages from Leviticus detailing the punishment for adultery, homosexuality, beastiality, sex, witches, etc., etc., etc. but I'm sure you're aware of them.

Some more land grabbing, killing, and genocide:

Numbers Chapter 21
21:1 And when king Arad the Canaanite, which dwelt in the south, heard tell that Israel came by the way of the spies; then he fought against Israel, and took some of them prisoners.

21:2 And Israel vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou wilt indeed deliver this people into my hand, then I will utterly destroy their cities.


21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.

21:4 And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom: and the soul of the people was much discouraged because of the way.

21:5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.


21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

21:10 And the children of Israel set forward, and pitched in Oboth.

21:11 And they journeyed from Oboth, and pitched at Ijeabarim, in the wilderness which is before Moab, toward the sunrising.

21:12 From thence they removed, and pitched in the valley of Zared.

21:13 From thence they removed, and pitched on the other side of Arnon, which is in the wilderness that cometh out of the coasts of the Amorites: for Arnon is the border of Moab, between Moab and the Amorites.

21:14 Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,

21:15 And at the stream of the brooks that goeth down to the dwelling of Ar, and lieth upon the border of Moab.

21:16 And from thence they went to Beer: that is the well whereof the LORD spake unto Moses, Gather the people together, and I will give them water.

21:17 Then Israel sang this song, Spring up, O well; sing ye unto it:

21:18 The princes digged the well, the nobles of the people digged it, by the direction of the lawgiver, with their staves. And from the wilderness they went to Mattanah:

21:19 And from Mattanah to Nahaliel: and from Nahaliel to Bamoth:

21:20 And from Bamoth in the valley, that is in the country of Moab, to the top of Pisgah, which looketh toward Jeshimon.

21:21 And Israel sent messengers unto Sihon king of the Amorites, saying,

21:22 Let me pass through thy land: we will not turn into the fields, or into the vineyards; we will not drink of the waters of the well: but we will go along by the king's high way, until we be past thy borders.

21:23 And Sihon would not suffer Israel to pass through his border: but Sihon gathered all his people together, and went out against Israel into the wilderness: and he came to Jahaz, and fought against Israel.

21:24 And Israel smote him with the edge of the sword, and possessed his land from Arnon unto Jabbok, even unto the children of Ammon: for the border of the children of Ammon was strong.

21:25 And Israel took all these cities: and Israel dwelt in all the cities of the Amorites, in Heshbon, and in all the villages thereof.

21:26 For Heshbon was the city of Sihon the king of the Amorites, who had fought against the former king of Moab, and taken all his land out of his hand, even unto Arnon.

21:27 Wherefore they that speak in proverbs say, Come into Heshbon, let the city of Sihon be built and prepared:

21:28 For there is a fire gone out of Heshbon, a flame from the city of Sihon: it hath consumed Ar of Moab, and the lords of the high places of Arnon.

21:29 Woe to thee, Moab! thou art undone, O people of Chemosh: he hath given his sons that escaped, and his daughters, into captivity unto Sihon king of the Amorites.

21:30 We have shot at them; Heshbon is perished even unto Dibon, and we have laid them waste even unto Nophah, which reacheth unto Medeba.

21:31 Thus Israel dwelt in the land of the Amorites.

21:32 And Moses sent to spy out Jaazer, and they took the villages thereof, and drove out the Amorites that were there.

21:33 And they turned and went up by the way of Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan went out against them, he, and all his people, to the battle at Edrei.

21:34 And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land; and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon.

21:35 So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land.


I mean really, I can go on and on and on for days. Whether you choose to justify all these killings as "God's will" therefore his commandment does not apply so technically it's not a contradiction is your perogative.

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On Exodus 3:22, 12:35 The Israelites were slaves on Egypt and God commanded to the Israelites that they asked for silver and gold to the Egyptian civilians because they have worked without being payed for 400 years. Again, God protects his children. On Luke 19:29-34 The Colt was borrowed if you keep reading the verse. The owners of the colt asked the disciples why were they untying the colt and they replied �The lords needs it� Obviously they didn�t steal it, the owners approved.

Ok well here are verses on slavery of hebrews:

Exodus Chapter 21

21:1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.

21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

21:3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

21:5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.


21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

21:8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

21:9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

21:10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

21:11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

21:13 And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.

21:14 But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.

21:15 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

21:17 And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

21:18 And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:

21:19 If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.

21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.

21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
21:26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.

21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.


Soooo in summary, it's ok to take slaves, take their children as slaves, sell your children into slavery, and beat slaves ... but only for several days because they're "money". So long as you don't cripple the slave or steal a slave to sell you're a good God-abiding citizen.

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How many writers were there? 60? Yeah I don�t think they were all in the same room writing it at the same time. Honest contradiction. Against, same mistake as above. Different writers.

Exactly. The bible was written by men who are prone to error and flaws just like any other person. Therefore it's credibility can be called into question.

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On Genesis 22:2 Now if you read the whole story, Isaac was never sacrified. It was a test that God placed on Abraham to see were his loyalties lied. An angel stopped Abraham�s hands before he stabbed Isaac. I don't have as much free time as the shmuck who wrote all these "contradictions" some dont even make sense. Again you can grab one line and oppose it to the other without reading the whole verse.

Exodus Chapter 22
22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

22:29 Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.

22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.

22:31 And ye shall be holy men unto me: neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.


1 Kings, Chapter 13 SAB

13:1 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the LORD unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.


13:2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

13:3 And he gave a sign the same day, saying, This is the sign which the LORD hath spoken; Behold, the altar shall be rent, and the ashes that are upon it shall be poured out.

13:4 And it came to pass, when king Jeroboam heard the saying of the man of God, which had cried against the altar in Bethel, that he put forth his hand from the altar, saying, Lay hold on him. And his hand, which he put forth against him, dried up, so that he could not pull it in again to him.

13:5 The altar also was rent, and the ashes poured out from the altar, according to the sign which the man of God had given by the word of the LORD.

13:6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Intreat now the face of the LORD thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the LORD, and the king's hand was restored him again, and became as it was before.


I can probably find a few more examples of human sacrifice if I looked hard enough ....

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Originally posted by MrSquirrel occrider, you officially owe me a drink next time I am in DC. MrS

bastard

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Occrider,you're in DC? I had no idea. I'm like,40 miles south of DC.

Yes, the heathens are closer than you think

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Originally posted by albertoR First of all, judges and eliminates the seeds that do not follow his path or his commandments. Remember �He is the creator of the universe, the people and the world� On I Samuel 15:2 The Amalekites attacked the Israelites after they crossed between the sea (moses opened the see in half with God�s helped). God defends his people, in this case the Israelites.

In addition to Occ's post (Jesus Occ, lay down the hammer will ya?), one quick question I have:

How can the Amalekites be destroyed 3 times in Samuel? Isin't 1 time enough to wipe out a civilization?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 How can the Amalekites be destroyed 3 times in Samuel? Isin't 1 time enough to wipe out a civilization?

Maybe they missed a few woman and children the first 2 times?

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Originally posted by occrider Hmmmm ok I see, so when God says thou shall not kill, he's only referring to the people that are innocent? So in every instance of the bible where God says to kill, that person is automattically one that he's judged and deemed worthy of elimination? I can see how events such as the inquisition and the crusades came to be:

An eye for an eye, Occ.

I mean, turn the other cheek, Occ.

I mean, fit a camel through the eye of a needle, Occ.

I mean, shit, uhhh...

"The Inquisition (Let's begin)
The Inquisition (Look out sin)
We have a mission to convert the Jews (Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew)
We're gonna teach them wrong from right.
We're gonna help them see the light
and make an offer that they can't refuse. (That those Jews just can't refuse)
Confess, don't be boring.
Say yes, don't be dull.
A fact you're ignoring:
It's better to lose your skull cap than your skull (or your govalt!)
The Inquisition (what a show)
The Inquistion (here we go)
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!

"I was sitting in a temple. I was minding my own business.
I was listening to a lovely Hebrew mass.
Then these Papus persons plungered and they throw me in a dungeon and they shove a red hot poker up my ass.
Is that considerate? Is that polite?
And not a tube of Preperation H in sight!"

"I'm sittin' flickin' chickens and I'm lookin' throught the pickins' and suddenly thes goyim pull down valls.
I didn't even know them and they grabbed my by the stoghum and started playing ping pong with my balls!
Ooh, the agony! Ooh, the shame!
To make my privates public for a game?"

The Inquisition (what a show)
The Inquisition (here we go)
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away.
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to-
"Hey Toquemada, walk this way."
"I just got back from the Auto-de-fe."
"Auto-de-fe? What's an Auto-de-fe?"
"It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway."
Will you convert? "No, no, no, no."
Will you confess? "No, no, no, no."
Will you revert? "No, no, no, no."
Will you say yes? "No, no, no, no!"
Now I asked in a nice way, I said, "Pretty please."
I bent their ears, now I'll work on their knees!
"Hey Toquemada, walk this way. We got a little game that you might wanna play, so pull that handle, try you're luck."
"Who knows, Toq, you might win a buck!"

"How we doin', any converts today?"
"Not a one, nay, nay, nay."
"We flattened their fingers, we branded their buns!
Nothing is working! Send in the nuns!"

The Inquisition, what a show.
The Inquisition, here we go.
We know you're wishin' that we'd go away!
So all you Muslims and you Jews
We got big news for all of yous:
You'd better change your point of views TODAY!
'Cause the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!"

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Originally posted by occrider Maybe they missed a few woman and children the first 2 times?

God's people can't miss!!!!!!!!

You damn heathen! That's like saying God can't score an 18 in a round of golf!

Ooooo, I had a thought driving to work this morning. Here's a question I'd like to pose to anyone:

If we accept that God created everything, then that would entail that He created the physical laws that are repeatible and observable and help define our natural world.

Why would He want to have something created that defies such laws, and ask us to accept it's existence? IOW, why would God want us to accept the illogical?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Ooooo, I had a thought driving to work this morning. Here's a question I'd like to pose to anyone: If we accept that God created everything, then that would entail that He created the physical laws that are repeatible and observable and help define our natural world. Why would He want to have something created that defies such laws, and ask us to accept it's existence? IOW, why would God want us to accept the illogical?

Duh, it's a test of faith. The more of the improbable you belief in, the more holy you are cuz you aren't tempted by no stinkin science!

Indeed. Occrider is correct. God is testing you.

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Originally posted by priveye03 make up your mind, those people didn't accept Jesus and therfore are going to hell. But here you mean that they have a chance of getting in even though they haven't accepted Jesus.

It's a different situation, I figured you all would understand that. I hope atleast some people understood.

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Originally posted by occrider Yes, the heathens are closer than you think

I don't call people heathens. Just to let you know.

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Originally posted by priveye03 So let me get this straight, God and Jesus are perfect correct? But they can basically do/command people to do things that get them a quick ticket to the eternal flames of hell. So I guess being a hypocrite makes you perfect. Well then slap me silly and call me Jesus...

No,you have it all wrong. God and Jesus are perfect,You have freewill to follow him or not. That's your choice, Jesus died so you didn't have to go to hell. He can't help it if you choose death.

The word hypocrite doesn't fit here, how is being a Christian being a hypocrite? It's not. That's the point.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 No,you have it all wrong. God and Jesus are perfect,You have freewill to follow him or not. That's your choice, Jesus died so you didn't have to go to hell. He can't help it if you choose death. The word hypocrite doesn't fit here, how is being a Christian being a hypocrite? It's not. That's the point.

Oh definetely not. I'd pick Krishna over Jesus any day!

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 (answering your question,now that I found it. Atleast I think this is the question you are refering to.) Listen carefully. If you read in God's word, The Bible. You will know what's right,and what's wrong. Pure and simple. A lot of people can say "Jesus told me to " but that doesn't mean He did. You and I both know this. Once again,Only God knows a persons heart.

So how exactly do you know whether god really wants you to do something or whether you just think that god wants you to do it? Especially if you have a psychological disorder, like schizophrenia?

And you haven't answered the second question. What about people who never had the chance to be introduced to Jesus's teachings? What about native americans prior to 1492? What about aborigines? What about people who lived prior to Christ? What about those living in remote regions of the world where Jesus's teachings aren't known?

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 That's your choice, Jesus died so you didn't have to go to hell. He can't help it if you choose death.

If you live your life peacefully and righteously, you shall reach the divine and have a good next life. Once again, if someone doesn't believe in Christianity, they aren't going to care if you think they're going to hell.

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The word hypocrite doesn't fit here, how is being a Christian being a hypocrite? It's not. That's the point.

It fits fine. With all the contradictions in the bible, it fits absolutely fine. Christians have the tendency to think their religion is the one and only and anyone who doesn't believe in it is wrong or will go to hell. Get over it, a lot of people believe in other things.

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