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Posted by Citizen X on Jun-01-2004 22:23:
One mistake some people make(including myself) when they start lifting is they chase the weight. After one year of lifting all I was after was being able to lift more and more weight and getting stronger. I forgot about proper form and always lifted very heavy using low reps. As a result I became very strong(I max out at 405lbs on the bench), but my body did not look like I initially wanted it to look because I hardly had any definition and I had several injuries. Now I am going back to using proper form and lifting using 10-12 rep sets. I don't care if I loose my strength because its obvious that how you look is better than how strong you are.
Posted by blitz~ on Jun-01-2004 22:26:
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| When I was running 5-15 miles, biking 20, and swimming 2-5 miles a day triathalon style |
wohaa, how about chill out a bit
Posted by TrAnCe CoNtRoL on Jun-01-2004 22:32:
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| Originally posted by Citizen X I don't care if I loose my strength because its obvious that how you look is better than how strong you are. |
depends on what your goals are. you can generalize like that. i myself lift for strength and size. how cut you get is going to be determined from your diet.
Posted by Radagast on Jun-01-2004 23:50:
Well for me, I find that the pyramid method of sets/reps helps me develop both strength and "looks". I'll never be as strong as I would if I trained purely for strength, but strong enough. Plus a heavy day now and again helps with strength also.
Anyways, just a statement here, but I haven't lifted a weight in 4 months and i'm feeling the withdrawal. I love the feeling of the iron in my hands and on my back. I love the pump. I love the gym. I love the way I look after months of hard work. I will never stop pumping iron, no matter how long it takes me to heal, get the proper nutrition, and get back into the groove. Fuck you injury. You too protein.
Blah i'm typing while half asleep.
Posted by diego on Jun-02-2004 00:20:
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Originally posted by Citizen X
One mistake some people make(including myself) when they start lifting is they chase the weight. After one year of lifting all I was after was being able to lift more and more weight and getting stronger. I forgot about proper form and always lifted very heavy using low reps. As a result I became very strong(I max out at 405lbs on the bench), but my body did not look like I initially wanted it to look because I hardly had any definition and I had several injuries. Now I am going back to using proper form and lifting using 10-12 rep sets. I don't care if I loose my strength because its obvious that how you look is better than how strong you are. |
above is exactly what a lot of people do
Posted by PHALPAX on Jun-02-2004 00:45:
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Originally posted by Orbax
and phalpax I now know what you look like there is a German dude in my gym who does shit like you. Fackin huge. |
German eh? Well in that case no need to post pics then
Posted by Vlad on Jun-02-2004 01:15:
Well, today was my last day of pigging out... I had myself a bagel with roast beef, muenster cheese, lettuce and little mayo... and for dinner some bbq chicken with rice a roni.
My sister said its a bad idea to fast for such long periods of time because when you begin to eat again, your bound to gain back more weight than you lost. Its true though, because when you leave out food like that, your body begins to think that its starving and the next time you eat, it will store more fat (I learned this in health class also). She said if I was gonna do that, to do it once or twice a week, not for 3-4 straight days.
Orb, the only problem with the salad you mentioned is that I absolutely despise vinegar, no matter what kind, I hate the smell & taste. I have no problem cutting out starches and stuff, I went for a week without bread in general and was perfectly fine. As reluctant as I am to cook for myself in my house, I guess I wont have much of a choice if I want to loose weight... it would be alot easier if I didnt live with my parents that way they dont question my diet.
When I work out, I really dont chase weights, I just work out to the capacity my muscles can take.
What do you guys think about drinking protein shakes and/or fat metabolizer shakes?
Posted by PHALPAX on Jun-02-2004 01:34:
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Originally posted by Vlad
What do you guys think about drinking protein shakes and/or fat metabolizer shakes? |
For guys, and for guys who want to get stronger, I encourage the use of protien shakes. Essepecially shakes with whey protien, glutamine and some creatine.
Posted by Vlad on Jun-02-2004 02:11:
Well, right now, Im gonna me more focused on burning fat and enduro workouts. Building muscle Ill do later since it will be easy with my body type.
Posted by emander on Jun-02-2004 02:21:
Too much health stuff here. Anyone drink beer in the forum?
Posted by Omegasox on Jun-02-2004 20:47:
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Originally posted by PHALPAX
For guys, and for guys who want to get stronger, I encourage the use of protien shakes. Essepecially shakes with whey protien, glutamine and some creatine. |
Dextrose is essential in a PWO shake to aid in muscle growth and repair.
Posted by Orbax on Jun-02-2004 21:17:
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Originally posted by emander
Anyone drink beer in the forum? |
no
There is more to it than just "not eating" typically you go into a fast with a 4 day period of only fruits and veggies. then you have an outtro of the same, then you slowly resume eating your normal stuff. It isnt just stop start. and your sister is wrong. If you just dont eat for 1-2 days, she is correct, but after day 3, the euphoria setting in and all is accompanied by keytones in your urine. Keytones are the byproduct of your body burning fat. you can get these strips from health stores and diabetic supplies that tell you when you are keytoning.
the point is that for the first few days, your body consumes muscle product, not fat. AFTER THREE DAYS it is only fat its burning because your body is smart and knows it needs muscle to get around and get more food basically.
here are some facts from another thread I was talking in 
-you typically lose a lb a day. and fasting is different from eating veggies. Normally you prepare yourself for a fast by eating veggies, But you arent supposed to even use broth when you are fasting. You want your body to stop pumping enzymes and shit into your stomach.
Also think of how long your intestines are. Give your body a fucking break. Its working all day every day. Imagine the inner healing that will take place when HUGE mass of coils and muscle can be dormant. All energy goes into cleaning skin, ditching toxins, etc...
-see headaches and nausea are usually due to this: Now that your body had time to cleanse all your shit out it grabs it all and packages it up ready to ship out of your body. If you eat and break the fast the toxin packs will just dissipate back into your body, and while the headache is gone now, the toxins are not. Wait a day or two, youll feel better.
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think of it this way. Do you eat when you are terribly sick? No, your body automatically goes into a fast to cleanse itself. water only baby hehe
-Ketones are sometimes referred to as the products of partially burned (or metabolized) fat. If you are not taking in enough carbohydrates or fats to supply your caloric needs, your system first draws upon your stored body fat to supply your energy needs.
But your body does not succeed in completely consuming all the fat it attempts to metabolize in your cells. The waste products of this process - the partially burned fat, or "ashes"- are called ketones. If you are producing them, it is a sign that your body is burning off fat at an accelerated rate; you are enjoying Fast Fat Metabolism.
And that is what we want- the utilization of fat stores for calories and energy. Pulling excess fat out of the fat storage areas is an integral part of an effective reducing process; your body becomes a fat-burning machine.
-also on ketosis. The reason you get it from fasting instead of diet is because in a diet you are still eating. The main benefit of fasting is that the 2nd most energy consuming activity you do (besides keeping several hundred pounds of tissue heated to 98.6 degrees) is digesting. "civilized" countries tend to EAT AND EAT all day long jamming starches and fats and proteins into their stomach.
Imagine a drier. and you take as many wet towels as you can possibly jam into the machine and then you stuff it closed and hit start. You overload your system every single day.
With fasting (and super hydration ((drinking a quart of near-hot water in the morning and through out the day))) Your body can spend time on important stuff, like making white blood cells. I havent been sick in years, and my dad hasnt had a cold since 1987. 1 day of fasting a week is awesome for you, and with what we know today people SHOULD be living to 120 regularly, but they want those krispy kreme doughnts...
-Drinking near hot water serves several purposes:
1) Doesnt need to be heated by your body
2) The nature of hot liquids tends to thin the barriers and is able to super saturate cells and blood stream.
Try drinking only hot water for a week. The first couple times it will make you nauseous. After that you will crave it. It makes all of your veins and capillaries open right up, youll probably start sweating. It jump starts you into being active, and helps everything function better.
Dont be too constant on liquids. Too much water can flush out electrolyte balances. I would say a quart of hot water in the morning, and then a glass every two hours will be more than enough.
try to urinate before bed so your body can focus on other stuff and stop drinking a couple of hours before sleep.
basically go through about 3 quarts - 1 gallon of water a day and youre solid. I prefer getting a 1 gallon water bottle from the store.
-hehe so innocent you feel like shit for the first day or so because your MIND is used to getting food plus the toxin ready-for-export thing that is happening.. I dont think you udnerstand the latent energy within fat. You dont NEED food. a 40 day fast can do amazing things for you. That long takes a lot of preparation though. a 7-10 day fast lets you build up immunity, repairs cuts and wounds almost instantly, lowers fat %, gets rid of your dependency on sugars, fats, and carbs, and helps you get your body back to a natural** homeostasis.
You lose 1lb a day while fasting, and after that, if you eat like shit again, youll probably get most of it back. The side effect of fasting is that you tend to eat well after it because your body knows what it is needing, and a nice juicy apple and a green salad sound SOOO good. The thought of a hamburger will make you nauseous.
Plus, what definition of health are you using?
health ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hlth)
n.
The overall condition of an organism at a given time.
Soundness, especially of body or mind; freedom from disease or abnormality.
A condition of optimal well-being:
Fasting lets you rebuild fat barriers around the cell walls to help reduce chances of cancer-causing free radicals penetrate cells and strike DNA (causing the mutations). Lets your liver rebuild itself from the toxins you feed it all day long
AND *Very importantly*
it lets your body start scraping all the shit (literally) off the lining of your intestines. You jam so much stuff through there all the time, it gets coated over time, and your body isnt able to absorb anything through that barrier. Once the lining is scraped off, you will have SO much more energy during the day because you are actually digesting your food.
If you get a lot of liquidy stool, it is because you eat too much, have too much lining coating, or are sick. In any of those cases your body doesnt have enough energy to fully digest (the drier analogy). So you are purifying yourself for a time of increased health and well being REDUCING the abnormalities in your body.
So yeah, thats why its healthy. I think it is sad that people now a days think that not eating for a couple days is unhealthy, and may kill you. Fucking pathetic (not you specifically, just fat-ass society). You think before we had domesticated animals and crops they ate every day? Gimme a break!
you dont eat apples btw, just water.
-Raw things digest themselves. As soon as they get oxidized the enzymes within them are released and they start killin themselves. Raw meat, veggies, everything. When you cook it all it kills the enzymes so your body must produce some to get the job done.
Your body isnt used to raw food. So you throw anything in there and its gonna pump enzymes out till it realizes (whoa, this shit dont need our help)
You only have so many enzymes. Part of the reason for your dying is you run out. Your body stops making them after a while.
You must train your body to not produce so much shit for stuff. (quit eating fake foods like fucking donuts)
Not many poeple are at the level where a raw fast would do the same as a water fast. They throw anything in, their body pumps shit out, and roils and burbles and its like eatin for sheezay.
Moral: Prep for a fast with a couple of days of raw foods and then fast and then come out with a couple of days of raw food.
start meals with raw foods.
Never eat fruit anything but first. It ferments on top of the other shit and is bad for you..
more pearls of wisdom later.
Posted by diego on Jun-03-2004 00:24:
someones got a lot of free time ^
Posted by shanehanner on Jun-03-2004 00:30:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attac...&postid=3225763
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attac...&postid=3225778
here are some recent progress pics I took.....
(this is a workout topic right?)
Posted by Orbax on Jun-03-2004 00:44:
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Originally posted by diego
someones got a lot of free time ^ |
hey that was from a previous topic on the subject!!
Shane, dang dude, not bad. Cant see too much though hehe, youre too far away!
Posted by shanehanner on Jun-03-2004 00:50:
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Originally posted by Orbax
hey that was from a previous topic on the subject!!
Shane, dang dude, not bad. Cant see too much though hehe, youre too far away! |
yeah the picures came out bad, ol' cameraman (little brother) wasnt too good. Im gonna try to lose 7 more pounds and then take some new ones.
Posted by Orbax on Jun-03-2004 00:56:
Fast
itll take you 10 days 
Posted by PHALPAX on Jun-03-2004 02:15:
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Originally posted by Omegasox
Dextrose is essential in a PWO shake to aid in muscle growth and repair. |
vitamins are also essential
Posted by Orbax on Jun-03-2004 02:16:
also carbon.
Posted by KarenLuvs2Party on Jun-03-2004 02:55:
This is a LOOOOOOOOOONG ass thread.. so can you guys tell me what's the best low calories alky drinks I can drink at the clubs???
Calorie count would be even better.. any suggestions?
BTW.. I've lost 50 lbs and I think I look exactly the same tho I did go down 4 pant sizes.. any suggestions?
And oh... I'm a CHIC.. so I want some slimmer forearms.. but I ask my trainer and he says theres not much I can do to get it slimmer.. I can get it more TONED and BIG.. but I'm a girl and I don't want that...
I've lost tons of inches on every part of my body except for my forearms. help ! 
Posted by Orbax on Jun-03-2004 03:20:
pics ...
and the problem with alcohol is that ethanol is a carbohydrate by nature

so hard alcohol is just the one with the least other stuff. 50 cal a shot I think it is. mix with a diet coke or something, or drink it straight. Stay away from liqeurs. Diet Redbull is good too.
Id need to see your forearms to make any actual suggestions regarding them
but lowering body fat % and doing like 6 sets of 30 reps for forearm culs would be somewhat toning, itd compact the existing muscle, or at least replace the fatty tissues in your muscle with a denser muscle fiber thus slimming
Posted by Summer21 on Jun-03-2004 03:30:
Karen,
I believe your best bet would be to drink Vodka/Tonic ( if you like it) It's one of the least caloric mixes... I stick with that when I am out drinking, those calories really add up
SS
Posted by d-jay MyTH on Jun-03-2004 14:23:
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Originally posted by Nell
atm i do the following (in order)... (not including the bar weight) for a typical bench pressign session.
1)40Kg - 25 Reps
2)50Kg - 20 Reps
3)60Kg - 15 Reps
4)70Kg - 10 Reps
5)80Kg - 3 Reps
and that totall fucks me before i start on flies. |
That sounds like a useful session and one that i might just be able to manage. it would be interesting to see some before and after pics to see how well it works, if you have any.
I bought a chinning bar the other day- only 6.95 from Argos. and it appears to be working well cos i'm starting to ache like fook
Posted by DARK MAN X on Jun-03-2004 16:38:
Question - I take my supplements such as protein and glutamine right after im done working out. Aside from then when is the next best time to take them? In the morning? Before you go to bed?
Thx
Posted by Floorfiller on Jun-03-2004 17:27:
boy...i haven't posted in this thread in so long that i don't even no whats going on...
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Question - I take my supplements such as protein and glutamine right after im done working out. Aside from then when is the next best time to take them? In the morning? Before you go to bed?
Thx |
it would be ok to take glutamine before bedtime because its suppose to help stop muscle from breaking down. you don't want to take in too many carbs though. a protein shake would be ok.
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