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Originally posted by Ory Sasha does it.

hrm... not quite. if you listen to his tracks. u can hear similar elements. u might not be able to distinguish them because they're not as defined as a probspot sound

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Originally posted by Az yeah but it's been done a thousand times before, so it's not if that altf4 tune came out in 1999, everyone would be raving about it (literally), but it came out this year, and noone really cared

But people do go on and on about, ah, for example "Above & Beyond - No One On Earth", and "Alt+F4". That's what's so sad. See the "TA Track of the Year 2004" polls for more sadness.

this thread should have died back on page three

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle id love to hear some music from some of these elite "real prog" guys... as clearly they are so much more talented than everyone else.

This argument has been debunked multiple times in this thread.

You don't have to be a producer to give criticism and opinion, in the same way that you don't have to be a director to have opinions of films.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle id love to hear some music from some of these elite "real prog" guys... as clearly they are so much more talented than everyone else.

I was waiting for this one, a true sign that someones defeated, the "do better yourself" argument
pathetic

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Originally posted by trancinchink hrm... not quite. if you listen to his tracks. u can hear similar elements. u might not be able to distinguish them because they're not as defined as a probspot sound

This is true, but he also knows how to manipulate these similar elements in several of his productions and make them all sound unique and original.

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Originally posted by Az Habersham have done it the past couple of years Derek Howell to an extent D.Ramirez Lee Coombs Sasha Eric Prydz just off the top of my head

yes, and i have 2 of derek howells most recent releases. trust me, there are VERY similiar elements in both of those tracks which you can hear are reused.

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Originally posted by Ory But people do go on and on about, ah, for example "Above & Beyond - No One On Earth", and "Alt+F4". That's what's so sad. See the "TA Track of the Year 2004" polls for more sadness.

I don't bother looking anymore, I'm just using altf4 as an example

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Originally posted by trancinchink hrm... not quite. if you listen to his tracks. u can hear similar elements. u might not be able to distinguish them because they're not as defined as a probspot sound

Definitely. I'm objective enough to be able to see that. What I think though, is that the producers should try something new in everything they do, like Sasha does.

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Originally posted by Ory Definitely. I'm objective enough to be able to see that. What I think though, is that the producers should try something new in everything they do, like Sasha does.

Something a bit more original than a different permutation of the same samples, at least. Breaking past usual track structures is even better.

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Originally posted by trancinchink yes, and i have 2 of derek howells most recent releases. trust me, there are VERY similiar elements in both of those tracks which you can hear are reused.

but none of his tracks are boring and unimaginative though
compare his mix of magnetic north, to we're gonna be okay
or frozen to might as well do this (while we still can)
some sounds may be similar, but thats a trademark, the tracks are completely different
I'd like to see you pick up on the other producers I mentioned

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Originally posted by trancinchink as a probspot sound

is that the "make 10 tracks the same, just change the melody" sound?

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Originally posted by Cobalt Something a bit more original than a different permutation of the same samples, at least. Breaking past usual track structures is even better.

Yeah, + what you said.

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Originally posted by Ory Definitely. I'm objective enough to be able to see that. What I think though, is that the producers should try something new in everything they do, like Sasha does.

Who knows if when everyone likes what Sasha does/plays, u'll be out here calling he's cheesy

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Originally posted by Plastick Who knows if when everyone likes what Sasha does/plays, u'll be out here calling he's cheesy

Most everyone already likes it, and if not they respect it.

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Originally posted by Plastick Who knows if when everyone likes what Sasha does/plays, u'll be out here calling he's cheesy

he plays plenty of cheesy wannabe electro bollucks yeah
and the vocal shit he used to bang out in the mid 90's is cheesy as fuck (M people anybody?)
try harder

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Originally posted by Plastick Who knows if when everyone likes what Sasha does/plays, u'll be out here calling he's cheesy

People do like Sasha. He's been one of the top 5 DJs for the past 5 years, but he's also been able to change his sound. That's what I admire about him.

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Originally posted by Az he plays plenty of cheesy wannabe electro bollucks yeah and the vocal shit he used to bang out in the mid 90's is cheesy as fuck (M people anybody?) try harder

I'm gonna have to agree with your opinion about his vocals tracks back then. Heck, that whole sound was a trademark for the early nineties' pop music.

But he changed. And he'll change again.

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Originally posted by Ory People do like Sasha. He's been one of the top 5 DJs for the past 5 years, but he's also been able to change his sound. That's what I admire about him.

I respect Sasha too. I'd went to see him here in s'pore last month.

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Originally posted by Az he plays plenty of cheesy wannabe electro bollucks yeah and the vocal shit he used to bang out in the mid 90's is cheesy as fuck (M people anybody?) try harder

Cool. Someone who cant take jokes. I was saying that to Ory as he's mentioned earlier, he listens to stuff that is not overplayed.

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Originally posted by Az but none of his tracks are boring and unimaginative though compare his mix of magnetic north, to we're gonna be okay or frozen to might as well do this (while we still can) some sounds may be similar, but thats a trademark, the tracks are completely different I'd like to see you pick up on the other producers I mentioned

hehe i can't.... but you saying that all his tracks sound the same are false. look, he's definitely not my favorite producer. not even close. personally i would choose benz & md or maybe junkie xl, or kasey taylor & chris meehan for prog. but i'm saying, everyone uses simliar elements in all their songs. probspots are just more unique. you can't say his tracks all sound the same because they don't. compare probspot - blueberry, with probspot - midnight, or probspot - bobcat, or even foreplay. those do not sound the same at all. but they were all released this year as well.

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Originally posted by Cobalt I understand what you're saying here, but with all due respect it indicates that you don't have the musical experience that others in this thread do.

Actually I am going on 10 years of listening to EDM and Trance. I was sucked into trance in 1993 when the cool thing was the UK breakbeat stuff with at annoying speeds. I found refuge in trance. Harfloor, Jam El Mar, Illuminate. I then evolved into the UK prog sound. Labels like Limbo, Deconstruction, Hardhands. From there I became a Sasha & Digweed fan. Northern exposure with its beautiful soundscapes opened me up to a much more peaceful sound of EDM. As Sasha & Digweed started getting deeper, I followed along too. After Communicate" I think they peeked for me. Instead of going musical again, at that point they became too deep for my tastes. I was frustrated with prog/trance for about 2 years. And then I heard Markus Schulz. For me he Continued where Sasha & Digweed left me at 2 years earlier.

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You reference an "in your face super saw" as contrast to why you like American prog, which indicates to me that you've merely realized epic super saws to be overused and unimaginative. Everyone who gets hooked on trance has a time when they realize that, and for many of us speaking against American progressive, it was years ago.

As you can tell from my timeline, I was never into the supersaw sound. I always looked for deeper more meaningful music right at the very begining.

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You cite American prog as "subtle and deep." I don't mean to belittle that opinion, but compared to the past ten years of progressive house and trance, it's incredibly simple and obvious..

House music has always been very simple. Its about the feeling and vibe. The EDM genre has always had a cycle of going from overly produced mega tunes with all the bells and whistles and then goes back to the basic vibe of the groove. I find this genre of music to be very refresing for me. It has the feeling of the early days with the big massive basslines, yet still has very catchy melodies on top. At the end of the day, I want melodies with my grooves.

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American progressive isn't that bad. Eurotrance is a much worse offense. But compared to what progressive dance has to offer, it's not good either. Certainly not worthy of the hype around here it has received.

Again for me, this has been my evolution and I just cant relate too music without melodies. I feel much more comfortable with music that has a story to it, instead of the true progressive music that only relies on noises. Sure some of those noises are really cool, but like I said, at the end of the day...melodies is what puts a smile on my face. From the days of labels like Harthouse and Eye Q to todays GDJB/ASOT sounds, it is the feeling that I get.

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Originally posted by Plastick Cool. Someone who cant take jokes. I was saying that to Ory as he's mentioned earlier, he listens to stuff that is not overplayed.

So far, the electro sound isn't very overplayed at all. Atleast I don't think it is, since it's not in my face everywhere I go.

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Originally posted by Ory So far, the electro sound isn't very overplayed at all. Atleast I don't think it is, since it's not in my face everywhere I go.

Ok whatever, i think yall has missed the word 'when' (an 'if' situation) in my post earlier.

-nite peeps.

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Originally posted by Ory So far, the electro sound isn't very overplayed at all. Atleast I don't think it is, since it's not in my face everywhere I go.

Er... what planet do you live on?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Er... what planet do you live on?

k, name some other electro DJs. Except Ferry and Benny Benassi.

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