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Posted by hardcore trancer on May-04-2011 03:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Lopiking
Oh for god sake.

Harper is a conservative not a fascist.

That would be like saying the Liberals are Marxist.

You must be a truther. Only explanation for your bull shit.


you must be an idiot.


Posted by Lopiking on May-04-2011 04:35:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you must be an idiot.


Good one.


Posted by kamil on May-04-2011 05:53:

Here we go!

Digital Copyright Amendment In the Works for Canada?

Posted by Bryce Tarling on Tue, May 3, 2011 12:44 PM � Filed under Calgary and 10 other categories�


Given the last amendments to the Copyright Act of Canada, Bill C-60, Bill C-61, and Bill C-32, were all removed form the table on account of elections, the next four years of the Harper government will likely bring change that has been in the works for over a decade.

Canada has been seeking to revamp its copyright law for some time. In 2007, it joined discussions for an Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). According to the Canadian Foreign Affairs website:

The objective of the ACTA would be to put in place international standards for enforcing intellectual property rights in order to fight more efficiently the growing problems of counterfeiting and piracy. The proposed agreement will cover three areas: improving international cooperation, establishing best practices for enforcement, and providing a more effective legal framework.

Something to keep in mind is that the United States Government plays a large role in these discussions. United States Trade Representative further describes the objectives of the agreement:

The agreement will also include innovative provisions to deepen international cooperation and to promote strong enforcement practices. Together, these provisions will help to protect American jobs in innovative and creative industries against intellectual property theft.

The United States Trade Representative also just released its "Special 301" report, which names Canada under its "Priority Watch List" amongst other countries including China, Russia, and India. Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Egypt, Bolivia, Brunei, Romania, Spain, and Mexico appear as less of a concern as they only made the broader category of "Watch List."

The report had this to say about Canada:

Canada remains on the Priority Watch List. The United States continues to urge Canada to implement its previous commitments to improve its legal framework for IPR protection and enforcement. Unfortunately, Canadian efforts in 2010 to enact long-awaited copyright legislation were unsuccessful. The United States encourages Canada to make the enactment of copyright legislation that addresses the challenges of piracy over the Internet, including by fully implementing the WIPO Internet Treaties, a priority for its new government. The United States encourages Canada to provide for deterrent-level sentences to be imposed for IPR violations, as well as to strengthen enforcement efforts, including at the border. Canada should provide its Customs officials with ex officio authority to effectively stop the transit of counterfeit and pirated products through its territory. U.S. stakeholders have also expressed strong concerns about Canada�s administrative process for reviewing the regulatory approval of pharmaceutical products, as well as limitations in Canada�s trademark regime. The United States appreciates the high level of cooperation between the Canadian and U.S. Governments, and looks forward to continuing engagement on these important issues.

The report also outlines goals for encouraging trading partners to enhance enforcement efforts by strengthening enforcement against major channels of piracy over the Internet, creating specialized enforcement units or undertaking special initiatives against piracy over the Internet, and undertaking training to strengthen capacity to fight piracy over the Internet.


Link to article: http://ht.ly/4Mrha


Posted by VDub on May-04-2011 13:19:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you must be an idiot.


It certainly does take one to know one...


Posted by Jayx1 on May-04-2011 13:39:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Hmm I don�t get you sometimes Jay. I remember how furious you were when all the shit was happening at the G20 and you were talking about our rights and our Democracy being violated yet you support the Conservatives with open arms. Do you really believe that Harpers gives a shit about our civil rights or our Democracy for that matter? Do you like to live in a Police state?


The police state is thanks to mcguinty more than anyone. He was the one who passed the secret G20 public works law. He was the one who misled the public about it. Bill Blair was the one who oversaw the police mess. My only concern with harper is that he has fantino as an MP.

As for the media. They are left wing and looking for anything to fry the conservatives with and let the left off the hook. Case in point. Its hardly being reported that Jack Layton has told his party that new MPs are not allowed to talk to the media until further notice. (As a lot of them are university students who have no idea what they are doing)


Posted by Jayx1 on May-04-2011 13:40:

quote:
Originally posted by kamil
Here we go!

Digital Copyright Amendment In the Works for Canada?

Posted by Bryce Tarling on Tue, May 3, 2011 12:44 PM � Filed under Calgary and 10 other categories�


Given the last amendments to the Copyright Act of Canada, Bill C-60, Bill C-61, and Bill C-32, were all removed form the table on account of elections, the next four years of the Harper government will likely bring change that has been in the works for over a decade.

Canada has been seeking to revamp its copyright law for some time. In 2007, it joined discussions for an Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA). According to the Canadian Foreign Affairs website:

The objective of the ACTA would be to put in place international standards for enforcing intellectual property rights in order to fight more efficiently the growing problems of counterfeiting and piracy. The proposed agreement will cover three areas: improving international cooperation, establishing best practices for enforcement, and providing a more effective legal framework.

Something to keep in mind is that the United States Government plays a large role in these discussions. United States Trade Representative further describes the objectives of the agreement:

The agreement will also include innovative provisions to deepen international cooperation and to promote strong enforcement practices. Together, these provisions will help to protect American jobs in innovative and creative industries against intellectual property theft.

The United States Trade Representative also just released its "Special 301" report, which names Canada under its "Priority Watch List" amongst other countries including China, Russia, and India. Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Egypt, Bolivia, Brunei, Romania, Spain, and Mexico appear as less of a concern as they only made the broader category of "Watch List."

The report had this to say about Canada:

Canada remains on the Priority Watch List. The United States continues to urge Canada to implement its previous commitments to improve its legal framework for IPR protection and enforcement. Unfortunately, Canadian efforts in 2010 to enact long-awaited copyright legislation were unsuccessful. The United States encourages Canada to make the enactment of copyright legislation that addresses the challenges of piracy over the Internet, including by fully implementing the WIPO Internet Treaties, a priority for its new government. The United States encourages Canada to provide for deterrent-level sentences to be imposed for IPR violations, as well as to strengthen enforcement efforts, including at the border. Canada should provide its Customs officials with ex officio authority to effectively stop the transit of counterfeit and pirated products through its territory. U.S. stakeholders have also expressed strong concerns about Canada�s administrative process for reviewing the regulatory approval of pharmaceutical products, as well as limitations in Canada�s trademark regime. The United States appreciates the high level of cooperation between the Canadian and U.S. Governments, and looks forward to continuing engagement on these important issues.

The report also outlines goals for encouraging trading partners to enhance enforcement efforts by strengthening enforcement against major channels of piracy over the Internet, creating specialized enforcement units or undertaking special initiatives against piracy over the Internet, and undertaking training to strengthen capacity to fight piracy over the Internet.


Link to article: http://ht.ly/4Mrha


GOOD! i hope they pass and enforce this so that people can start touring to support their music again instead of what it has become now which is people making music to support their touring.


Posted by Jayx1 on May-04-2011 13:41:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Harper will do his part in changing the system by taking away funding for the other parties...just wait and see


the funding formula change would hurt harper the most as he got the most votes. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good scare tactic LOL


Posted by nacarter on May-04-2011 13:54:

Jayx, the Tories don't give a damn about the public portion that they receive for their vote share because it's small compared to what the fundraising machine produces. Reality is that the Cons are fundraising 3-4 times more money than any other party is.

That said, In theory I'm indifferent to whether political parties receive public cash or not. Yes, I know this will serious handcuff the Greens; however, I frankly want them to lose their public funding so that they're forced to start talking merger.


Posted by Moral Hazard on May-04-2011 13:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
the funding formula change would hurt harper the most as he got the most votes. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good scare tactic LOL


Good spin but it doesn't work in reality. The Conservatives bring in more money by way of donations from private citizens then the other parties do; significantly more. Once this is the only source of funding other then membership fees that the parties have access to (corporate donations are already not allowed... Chretien) the Conservatives, while having less overall money then before, will have significantly more then the other parties. Of note; I support the change; however, don't try to pretend that this hurts the Cons as much or more then anyone else... let's try being honest with each other.


Posted by nacarter on May-05-2011 12:46:

Well, if I learned anything in this election, it's that NDP voters are no smarter than anyone else. Let's face it, would anybody who had done their homework have actually voted for Gatineau waitress Ruth Ellen Brosseau? We're talking about a woman who doesn't know Free Trade from Rough Trade and can't communicate with her constituents effectively because she can't speak French... LOL


Posted by Jayx1 on May-05-2011 12:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Good spin but it doesn't work in reality. The Conservatives bring in more money by way of donations from private citizens then the other parties do; significantly more. Once this is the only source of funding other then membership fees that the parties have access to (corporate donations are already not allowed... Chretien) the Conservatives, while having less overall money then before, will have significantly more then the other parties. Of note; I support the change; however, don't try to pretend that this hurts the Cons as much or more then anyone else... let's try being honest with each other.


So why shouldnt the parties have to raise funds from the public? Why should taxpayers pay?

If people support a party, they will receive funding. Makes sense to me.

There was a time when Liberals got most of the publics funding. The taxpayer funded scheme in place now has only been there a short time since chretien. Everyone survived just fine before this and they will again.

The Bloc, NDP, Social Credit Party, Reform and a host of other influential parties in the past got started on their own without the government subsidies.

This just proves that the more handouts you give someone, the more reliant they become on them


Posted by Jayx1 on May-05-2011 12:59:

quote:
Originally posted by nacarter
Well, if I learned anything in this election, it's that NDP voters are no smarter than anyone else. Let's face it, would anybody who had done their homework have actually voted for Gatineau waitress Ruth Ellen Brosseau? We're talking about a woman who doesn't know Free Trade from Rough Trade and can't communicate with her constituents effectively because she can't speak French... LOL


But shes hot...

LOL!


Gotta love the communist they voted in as well. I will give him credit though. Unlike his NDP colleagues, at least he is honest about being a communist!


Posted by Moral Hazard on May-05-2011 13:02:

quote:
Originally posted by nacarter
Well, if I learned anything in this election, it's that NDP voters are no smarter than anyone else. Let's face it, would anybody who had done their homework have actually voted for Gatineau waitress Ruth Ellen Brosseau? We're talking about a woman who doesn't know Free Trade from Rough Trade and can't communicate with her constituents effectively because she can't speak French... LOL


I don't know if I agree with you. Despite our system being set up so that people vote for their local candidates rather then a party or leader most voters just see the local candidate as a proxy for the party. Although I tend to vote for the individual; the party disipline system that we have negates many of the advantages to having a strong or disadvantages of having a weak MP. It isn't unreasonable to assume that many people would have voted for Ms. Brosseau irrespective of her personal background and skill set because they support her party even if they were fully informed if they view her as just being a party proxy.


Posted by Moral Hazard on May-05-2011 13:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
So why shouldnt the parties have to raise funds from the public? Why should taxpayers pay?


Did you read my post? I support this change; I explicitly noted that.

The only thing about your post I took issue with is the contentention that this will hurt the CPC the most, which is pattently false given that they get significantly more by way of donations thus it is a net benefit to them in relation to the other parties. I'm not being partisan here, Jay, I'm just in favour of honesty.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-05-2011 14:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
But shes hot...

LOL!


Gotta love the communist they voted in as well. I will give him credit though. Unlike his NDP colleagues, at least he is honest about being a communist!


I guess running for NDP is better then running for the communist party.

I'm surprised there aren't more Pirate Party members....especially amongst the younger generation.


Posted by nacarter on May-05-2011 17:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I don't know if I agree with you. Despite our system being set up so that people vote for their local candidates rather then a party or leader most voters just see the local candidate as a proxy for the party. Although I tend to vote for the individual; the party disipline system that we have negates many of the advantages to having a strong or disadvantages of having a weak MP. It isn't unreasonable to assume that many people would have voted for Ms. Brosseau irrespective of her personal background and skill set because they support her party even if they were fully informed if they view her as just being a party proxy.


Keep in mind that local MPs do provide some gov't services to constituents such as passport processing and access to forms and documents. On the flipside, and frankly more important, your local MP is your direct source for an explaination of gov't policy. What would Brousseau do if you asked her for clarfication on Tory Law & Order policy? I figure something along the lines of "Would you like fries with that, hun?"

Sorry, a certain level of knowledge for the job is required and it's irresponsible to rely solely on lackeys. Even farmers have a basic comprehension of economics and finance, since their farm is a business.


Posted by Moral Hazard on May-05-2011 18:57:

quote:
Originally posted by nacarter
Keep in mind that local MPs do provide some gov't services to constituents such as passport processing and access to forms and documents. On the flipside, and frankly more important, your local MP is your direct source for an explaination of gov't policy. What would Brousseau do if you asked her for clarfication on Tory Law & Order policy? I figure something along the lines of "Would you like fries with that, hun?"

Sorry, a certain level of knowledge for the job is required and it's irresponsible to rely solely on lackeys. Even farmers have a basic comprehension of economics and finance, since their farm is a business.


I don't disagree with you. My point; however, is that since most voters are primarally concerned with the party a candidate represents rather then the candidates qualifications it is probable that even if they knew she was unqualified most would have voted for her regardless. It's a question of priority.


Posted by smuncky on May-06-2011 05:13:


Posted by Jayx1 on May-06-2011 14:18:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky



I have better descriptions for the orange areas

Northern Ontario: Sherwood Forest

Downtown Toronto: Happy Jack Land

Quebec: Socialist Republic of Quebec

Windsor: Proof that Socialism works

BC: Work? Whats that?



Posted by Jake Sevendy on May-12-2011 02:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Miss Pie
Are bad guys born or made though? Perhaps with more social programs and community support, you wouldn't see people turning to lives of crime and poor decision making. Unless they're schizophrenic. Lolololol.


No but seriously though.



in society there are:

the unknowns (men in black)
millitary
government representatives
government agents
government officials
police
government workers
non-immigrants with degrees
immigrants with degrees
non-immigrants without degrees
immigrants without degrees
criminals by choice (just for the thrill and fun of it- non-violent disobediance towards the rules of the government)
criminals without choice (those who turn to crime after being unemployed for more than 5 straight years)

-----remember one offense, and kiss that good job goodbye, so if you get profilled early, your pretty much chosen to be a destined criminals)

WILD CARDS:

-pro athletes, famous actors & entertainers & mainstream artists


the guvernment keeps these people happy in order to take away the cream of the crop

Away from the #1 fear of the government, which is revolution


Extremes:

criminals that are hidden within any of the government classes.
these people hide behind the law, take no responsability

and are usually the ones causing moral hazzard.




you want to stop crime? stop spending your money. give it to the guy who is risking his life, just to make a buck.

in movies EVERYONE LIKES THE BAD GUYS FOR A REASON.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on May-13-2011 12:26:

quote:
Tories back off campaign pledge to show a surplus by 2014-15
BILL CURRY
OTTAWA� From Thursday's Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, May. 11, 2011 7:30PM EDT
Last updated Thursday, May. 12, 2011 8:18AM EDT

With the election results barely a week old, Conservatives are muddying the waters around a central � and surprising � campaign pledge.

The revised 2011 budget that the government will present next month will not show a surplus by 2014-15 as promised in black and white in the Conservative campaign platform, even though the government insists it still intends to deliver on the election promise.


Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says he needs time to consult economists and to draft a clear plan to deliver the extra savings Prime Minister Harper promised during the election campaign.

�We will do the strategic and operating review and we will book [those savings] once the review is done. That will get us to balance a year earlier, but is not part of the upcoming budget,� Chisholm Pothier, Mr. Flaherty�s spokesperson, said on Wednesday.

The platform promise was surprising because just a week before the election campaign began, Mr. Flaherty released a budget that would balance the books in 2015-16. That budget forecast a tiny deficit of $300-million in 2014-15. It also promised a plan would be drawn up later this year to see if further savings of $4-billion a year could be found, but these savings were not included in the government�s projections.

When asked directly during an appearance on CTV�s Power Play whether he was committing to eliminating the deficit one year earlier, Mr. Flaherty responded that he was not.

�No. I think we have to look at all of the data,� he replied. �We use an average of the private sector forecasters, as we have done for years now, to make sure that we�re on the right track, and in sync with the view of the private sector on the economy, so we�ll look at all these things, there�s a couple of platform commitments too that we�ll look at as well, but fundamentally it will be the same budget that was introduced on March 22.�

Mr. Flaherty has indicated that the budget will account for commitments made during the campaign, including setting money aside to strike a deal with Quebec over sales taxes.

The Conservative election platform states that: �Through accelerated reductions in government spending, a re-elected Stephen Harper government will eliminate the deficit by 2014-15.�

The platform said this would be achieved by ending stimulus spending, continuing existing restraint measures, and completing, within one year, a comprehensive review of government spending.


sourcy wourcy


Posted by GGM on May-13-2011 14:43:

Yup that's no surprise. Any savings they have from reduced spending will go to corporations I can promise you that and that they won't be having a surplus any time soon.

Conservatives have somehow established themselves as the best choice for the economy when in reality I'd rate them slightly better than the NDP. Best party to ACTUALLY have done good for Canada's economy (not just talk about it) in the last 30-40 years would be Cretien and Martin. In fact Harper's actions one way or another didn't do much to save us from a recession it was much more the Liberal's building of a solid economy up to that point that helped. Our strategy in spending stimulus money was rated quite poor in comparison to what other countries did with theirs and it's debatable if we even needed to spend that at all.


Posted by jester on May-18-2011 17:26:

Damn, we have a new Minister of Industry :/ Not sure if Christian Paradis will be a good thing or a bad thing.


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