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| Originally posted by culorut LOL, honest last administration? Never use honest in the same sentence with the last administration if you want to be taken seriously. The problem is you and some others place these war criminals on too high of a peddle stool when you should be dissecting them. Especially given that nothing adds up in their official conspiracy theory regarding 9/11. I never lied, omitted and covered up anything but they obviously did. Closed doors and would not testify alone in front of the commissioners? Sure they were telling the truth.  |
Tell me how 9/11 was not serious then. Did you bother to watch what the same people from the USA think about the 9/11 commission report in that last video or are you going to use the same excuse as the trolls and sheep around here?
Let me guess.
Nope.
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| It's like, you believe they can't do one damn thing 'right' just because they did something like lie about WMD. Not to mention I know you wanted to start a thread on how swine flu is ANOTHER conspiracy. |
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| But honestly, if this is your ideology, then I recommend for you to go see a physician because you might have one of those mental illnesses where you think they're out to get you. |
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| And did you just make fun of me for reading books? Seriously? Low blow, man. You know I'm sensitive about my inability to keep up with the latest youtube videos. |
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| Originally posted by culorut without people like us there would be no debate |
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| Originally posted by culorut Nobody is out to get me, I feel very safe exactly where I am. If anything I feel more secure then most of the posters in this thread. I am just pointing out the obvious and I realize I will be ridiculed by the same individuals and new people like you who are not informed making invalid assumptions. If I cared what anyone thought I would have stopped a long time ago. I am here to debate and posting valid information for my side and all I see is name calling from the minority. |
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| Originally posted by culorut who are not informed making invalid assumptions. If I cared what anyone thought I would have stopped a long time ago. |
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| Originally posted by culorut No it's what an overwhelming amount of people around the world believe they should be tried for. Just another battle in where you are in the minority and cannot think outside the box for a moment. |
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| Originally posted by Krypton Argumentum Ad Populum An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges that "If many believe so, it is so." |
loose change forums:
Total Members: 1,115
yep, taking the world by storm the truth movement is! 
World Population 6,776,729,820
12:09 GMT (EST+5) Apr 30, 2009
1115/6776729820 = .0000001645
or .00001645% of the world population.
That certainly sounds like a mass movement to me. We're definitely in the minority on the "government didn't commit 9/11" spectrum. I think we should just take it for granted that culorut has evidence of that too.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN loose change forums: Total Members: 1,115 yep, taking the world by storm the truth movement is! |
Sorry you guys are a little late to post fraudulent numbers in this thread. As of 2006 these were the results from Zogby and this was just in America alone, outside of the USA even more people do not believe the bullshit official story.
Less than half of Americans satisfied with 9/11 investigations
According to a new Zogby poll, less than half of Americans are convinced that that the events of September 11 have been thoroughly investigated, RAW STORY has learned.
http://www.911truth.org/page.php?page=zogby_2006
In the telephone survey of 1200 individuals, just 47% agreed that "the 9/11 attacks were thoroughly investigated and that any speculation about US government involvement is nonsense." Almost as many, 45%, indicated they were more likely to agree "that so many unanswered questions about 9/11 remain that Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success."
The poll is the first survey that has attempted to gauge the level of Americans' doubts about 9/11 and was carried out for the "9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future" conference to be held in Chicago in June.
Not surprisingly, Republicans as a group were the most supportive of existing investigations, with 70% expressing their satisfaction -- about the same percentage that has expressed approval of Bush's performance in recent polls. Sixty-four percent of those earning over $75,000 were also skeptical of doubts about 9/11. The groups most likely to want the attacks re-investigated were Hispanics at 67% and African-Americans at 64%.
Other groups also skewed one way or another, but with the majority position generally not above 58%. Overall, the breakdown on the question closely followed the usual political divisions in the country: Republicans vs. Democrats and independents, whites vs. minorities, the wealthier and better-educated vs. the poorer and less educated, people over fifty vs. those under fifty, men vs. women.
This rough balance in opinions is itself a striking finding. It suggests that doubts about the officials accounts of 9/11, far from representing an extreme fringe position, have become a standard component of anti-establishment attitudes.
When asked specificially if they thought there had been a government coverup of evidence that contradicts the official story, the results were again not far from an even split, with 48% rejecting the idea of a deliberate coverup and 42% supporting it. Belief in a coverup was the majority position among Democrats, 18-29 year olds, and a few other groups.
In an attempt to focus more specifically on the attitudes of those who were best informed about the events of 9/11, the poll asked its responders if they were aware of WTC Building 7, whose collapse on September 11 for no obvious reason was not investigated by the 9/11 Commission. Only 52% answered that they were aware of the collapse of Building 7, but out of that subgroup, 73% believed it should have been investigated.
On a related topic, those polled were asked if they felt the Bush Administration had exploited the September 11th attacks to justify the invasion of Iraq or if Bush had been right to go into Iraq because Saddam Hussein supported terrorism. Here the country was divided exactly, 44% to 44%, with the answers following party lines more closely than those to the 9/11 questions. Among Republicans, 72% felt the invasion was appropriate, while among Democrats 69% felt it was not.
A final question asked about the media's performance regarding 9/11, including coverage of victims' families, unanswered questions, theories that challenged the official account, and how the attacks were investigated. A majority of 55% rated the media as only fair or poor, while only 33% rated it as good.
Surprisingly, the groups most likely to rate the media positively tended to be those that were also most skeptical about official accounts of 9/11, including African-Americans, progressives, and those with lower incomes. The media were rated poorly by roughly 60% of Republicans, conservatives, and the more affluent and better educated. Libertarians and extreme conservatives, at 74% and 67% respectively, were the most negative of all.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/L...sfied_0523.html
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| Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov World Population 6,776,729,820 12:09 GMT (EST+5) Apr 30, 2009 1115/6776729820 = .0000001645 or .00001645% of the world population. That certainly sounds like a mass movement to me. We're definitely in the minority on the "government didn't commit 9/11" spectrum. I think we should just take it for granted that culorut has evidence of that too. |
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| Originally posted by yukii I'm also pointing out the obvious.. I'm not trying to ridicule you sorry if you get that impression, but I just don't see how you can believe in these kind of absurdities.. and now I'm 'new, not well informed, making invalid assumptions'? |
Fight the good fight, culorut. I'm certain you're breaking them. The truth army shall march on the white house and hold all of those responsible for this disgusting debacle. Freedom shall reign once more, et cetera.
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| Originally posted by Krypton Yea, uh huh, then you wouldn't have said this... To which would equate to... So in actuality, you do care what other people think, and use your perception of public opinion to fallaciously argue an invalid point. It is you who is "not informed making invalid assumptions." Way to go champ... |
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| Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Fight the good fight, culorut. I'm certain you're breaking them. The truth army shall march on the white house and hold all of those responsible for this disgusting debacle. Freedom shall reign once more, et cetera. |
Hey, culorut. You have access to so much truth... but what do you plan to do with it all though?
I have a feeling somebody lit up a big fat cigar already.
You've got that right! 
But really, you know the truth of what happened - don't you think it's just as bad to sit by idly and let them keep getting away with it though? I mean, if we want change - real change for a change - it's in the hands of the people; people just like you and I. Do you see what I'm saying?
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| Hey, culorut. You have access to so much truth... but what do you plan to do with it all though? |
It's tough, isn't it? People don't want to listen to the truth when it's so ugly and staring them right in the face. You said it though - that's life.
There are other methods for getting them to listen though...
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| Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You've got that right! But really, you know the truth of what happened - don't you think it's just as bad to sit by idly and let them keep getting away with it though? I mean, if we want change - real change for a change - it's in the hands of the people; people just like you and I. Do you see what I'm saying? |
So then you admit that you're just in it for entertainment?
Civil talk is all well and good, but it does not bring justice to those responsible for these horrendous dealings.
You're not the freedom fighter I thought that you were. You don't really want anything to change at all.
sorry, I've not been paying attention to this thread... are there still idiots thinking this was an inside job?
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