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Originally posted by raveed ok hero tell me something .. if u hate ta's so much y does it seem to me that the person making the most posts around here is u ... if u post here to try to make every1 understand ur point of view (which it seems u failing miserably at).. i think some1's got to much free time on their hands

I've been here just over a year and average 2 posts a day....that just went up over the last few days thanks to this argument. And yeah, I do have some free time right now because I have strep throat you loser.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 That's paraphrasing of course but almost everyone here ignored the fact that all I was saying is that E is lethal and instead, backed their shit up with useless stats that aren't going to change the fact that the stupid drug is potentially fatal, which is why I, and many others, don't do it.

I remember someone explaining why E itself is not lethal. The person explained the current consensus on how E affects your brain and showed that E itself will not kill you, no matter how much you take. If one were constantly taking E for a prolonged period, maybe the fact that one wouldn't want to eat would kill someone, or maybe the raised body temperature would eventually kill, but all that is a composition of effects that are very unlikely to happen.

You claim that 'schrooms are inherently safer than E because they grow naturally. You also claim that E is unsafe, since one cannot trust his/ her dealer. People went on to explain how pills can be tested for content and how that helps one find 'good/ safe' pills. If one is uneducated, schrooms can kill too.

Here is my analogy: I go into the woods having heard about 'magic muschrooms' and start randomly picking muschrooms and eating them. There is quite a good chance (at least in my home country) that I will pick up a poisonous one and die.
That is the equivalent of someone walking around in a club and buying pills of dealers.
Now if I get my little trusty "Muschroom picking for Dummies (tm)" guide out and go into the woods, look at the schrooms and get the ones that i KNOW are not poisonous, or -even better- I pick schrooms, take them home and TEST them in my trusty little lab for toxitity (probably not the right word) and THEN decide which ones I can and cannot eat, I am doing the smart thing. Equivalently, an E-user, who tests his or her pills can hedge himself against the risk of injesting garbage.

does that make sense?

In the end, I do not want to change your oppinion, as it is YOUR choice to do stuff, I just don't want you telling everybody that E is LETHAL, when that is not true. And the whole "E can kill you even if enjoyed responsibly" junk isn't really valid either. Even if you smoke responsibly, you can die too, there is no difference.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 YES I REALLY DO DRIVE A ZAMBONI YOU RETARD! AND I BET I GET PAID MORE MONEY DOING THAT PART TIME THAN YOU DO IN WHATEVER JOB YOU HAVE! I have union benefits for fuck's sake and you guys think it's a funny job. I smell jealousy because I get paid 18 bucks an hour doing an easy job.

hahahaha. yes i'm sure he's jelous of that. working at an elite engineering firm would def. not pay as much as driving a zamboni moreover, it's nowhere near as fucking cool

I love how you assume that you are a much better position that everyone else.

Smitty, I'd just like to remind you that E isn't illegal because it's dangerous and risky and lethal, it's illegal because people discovered it's fun side as it was being administered by DOCTORS for counselling purposes.

E, as anything else, has its side effects that need to be considered before using. But it is certainly no more DEADLY than driving a car, binge drinking or crossing the road.

No one is trying to convince you to do drugs Smitty. Don't flatter yourself; we don't care one way or the other. But we are trying to point out that your arguments are not based on fact. They're actually DISPROVEN by fact.

some very interesting points raised. I would say tho, that walking around a club looking for pills is not equvalent to walking around a forrest looking for non-poisionous mushrooms, b/c teh incidence of pills that are dangerous vs would be much smaller than teh incidence of finding plants/mushrooms that are unsafe to eat.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 Here is my analogy: I go into the woods having heard about 'magic muschrooms' and start randomly picking muschrooms and eating them. There is quite a good chance (at least in my home country) that I will pick up a poisonous one and die. That is the equivalent of someone walking around in a club and buying pills of dealers. Now if I get my little trusty "Muschroom picking for Dummies (tm)" guide out and go into the woods, look at the schrooms and get the ones that i KNOW are not poisonous, or -even better- I pick schrooms, take them home and TEST them in my trusty little lab for toxitity (probably not the right word) and THEN decide which ones I can and cannot eat, I am doing the smart thing. Equivalently, an E-user, who tests his or her pills can hedge himself against the risk of injesting garbage. does that make sense? In the end, I do not want to change your oppinion, as it is YOUR choice to do stuff, I just don't want you telling everybody that E is LETHAL, when that is not true. And the whole "E can kill you even if enjoyed responsibly" junk isn't really valid either. Even if you smoke responsibly, you can die too, there is no difference.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Why shouldn't you go there? Maybe because in any social/political or historical debate, I'll use you to wipe my ass with perhaps? My friend is an excellent example of a smart science type that knows fuck all about what's going in this world. By his own admission, the only intelligent things that he can talk about are coding and software engineering...and every time a debate comes up, he can't say anything becaue he knows fuck all. A lot of science types are like that, I find.

and if I talk about scientific problems you don't even understand anything. You generalize all of us "science types" by one example. Even without a scientific education, you should know better than to generalize based on a Sample size of 1, when the population size is probably close to 100 million (worldwide).

You ask why scientists don't run countries? Because we are better at doing other stuff than to try and deceive the masses into thinking that we have their interests in our minds. There are no qualifications for a politician apart from being able to speak well and make people believe that you are the right choice. It varies a lot from country to country.

Why are social scientists and businessmen in politics? Because they SUCK at their subject and cannot make it in industry. In the end, if they were up for the challenge that they need to face when working in the private industry, they get cold feet and slip into politics, where facts are pretty much irrelevant.

Why do scientific people shut up in political debates, because we explain what we know and show the data. We do not make up people's minds for them, we are here to ANALYZE things and show how it works. Our goal is to explain "how it works".

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Originally posted by Skipper Smitty, I'd just like to remind you that E isn't illegal because it's dangerous and risky and lethal, it's illegal because people discovered it's fun side as it was being administered by DOCTORS for counselling purposes. E, as anything else, has its side effects that need to be considered before using. But it is certainly no more DEADLY than driving a car, binge drinking or crossing the road. No one is trying to convince you to do drugs Smitty. Don't flatter yourself; we don't care one way or the other. But we are trying to point out that your arguments are not based on fact. They're actually DISPROVEN by fact.

this is very well put and it encapsulates what ppl have been trying o drive home. most likely it will be ignored by him or he will say how only stupid ppl binge drink or something like that.

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Originally posted by charmscars some very interesting points raised. I would say tho, that walking around a club looking for pills is not equvalent to walking around a forrest looking for non-poisionous mushrooms, b/c teh incidence of pills that are dangerous vs would be much smaller than teh incidence of finding plants/mushrooms that are unsafe to eat.

I am aware of that, but i did not want to make my paragaph look as if I felt that I was all "high and mighty" etc.

since our little history major thinks that all statistics are wrong -provided that they collide with his view of the world- such a comment would have just made him disregard my post completely.

unfortunately i did not read his attacks on scientists until afterwards.. anyhow, I hope that the "analody" concept is still within his grasp. (this personal attack was made, only because you think that all the "scientific types" are total retards when it comes to anything but their field)

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I smell jealousy because I get paid 18 bucks an hour doing an easy job.

This is my favorite part of the thread so far! GOLD.

Shit, I should really quit my full time career job so I can slack off working for the City of London. Because I'm THAT JEALOUS.

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Originally posted by drizzt81 I am aware of that, but i did not want to make my paragaph look as if I felt that I was all "high and mighty" etc. since our little history major thinks that all statistics are wrong -provided that they collide with his view of the world- such a comment would have just made him disregard my post completely. unfortunately i did not read his attacks on scientists until afterwards.. anyhow, I hope that the "analody" concept is still within his grasp. (this personal attack was made, only because you think that all the "scientific types" are total retards when it comes to anything but their field)

gotcha

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Originally posted by Skipper This is my favorite part of the thread so far! GOLD. Shit, I should really quit my full time career job so I can slack off working for the City of London. Because I'm THAT JEALOUS.

I can just smell the jealousy!

don't tell me you wouldn't give it all up to ride one of these beasts!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Well, see...countries with a past to be proud of (like Canada, Britain, European nations, and to some extent the USA)....well our countries aren't a bloody mess because the scholars and politicians have looked at our past, recognised what was wrong and made sure it never happened (or may happen) again.

There are/ were some politicians who are smart. there are some who care about the people and their country, but there is lots of them, who only care about being re-elected next term.

As for the european countries: they are not a bloody mess because the PEOPLE of our countries were sick and tired of fighting each other all the time. We have realized that we cannot sustain constantly fighting against another and we have therefore decided that it is smarter to start working together.

Never forget, a politician is only a mean, the PEOPLE are the ones that 'wield' the power (at least in theory).

Maybe the fact that europeans are not killing each other anymore is more of a scientific feat than anything else. Since SCIENTISTS came up with ways to produce more food, there is no more fighting over that, hence people can live together hapily.

Scientists -Galileo- were the people that explained to the gneral population that the earth is not flat and that all people are equal. Maybe slavery was abolished because scientists showed 'us' that black and white people are the same in the end?
The reason that you can type this is because a scientist came up with the idea on how to store data in bits and scientists developed the integrated ciruit. America is the most powerful nation in the world, because it invests a lot of money in scientific research and the government is very laissez faire when it comes to intervening with the way business is done. therefore the real businessmen were able to do what they wanted/ needed to do....

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Originally posted by drizzt81 Scientists -Galileo- were the people that explained to the gneral population that the earth is not flat and that all people are equal. Maybe slavery was abolished because scientists showed 'us' that black and white people are the same in the end? The reason that you can type this is because a scientist came up with the idea on how to store data in bits and scientists developed the integrated ciruit. America is the most powerful nation in the world, because it invests a lot of money in scientific research and the government is very laissez faire when it comes to intervening with the way business is done. therefore the real businessmen were able to do what they wanted/ needed to do....

Its like talking to a brick wall, when talking to Smitty.

These are some excellent points and to think I was just about to go and quit my PhD program and start on a road of endless historic analysis .

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess Its like talking to a brick wall, when talking to Smitty.

Talking to a brick wall would actually be more productive, because you could hear a faint echo of your voice off the brick wall and therefore have some acknowledgment that the sound of your voice actually travelled somewhere.

This thread is great - keep it up guys and gals!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 YES I REALLY DO DRIVE A ZAMBONI YOU RETARD! AND I BET I GET PAID MORE MONEY DOING THAT PART TIME THAN YOU DO IN WHATEVER JOB YOU HAVE! I have union benefits for fuck's sake and you guys think it's a funny job. I smell jealousy because I get paid 18 bucks an hour doing an easy job.

vinder says:
dear dj smittens20,

whoa! 18 dollars an hour? you're rich dude, i don't wanna mess with you. you could hire hitmen to come kill me. baby sized hitmen. who are on e. i take it all back. look, i'm even turning greeen with envy.


I WANT TO BE A ZAMBONI DRIVER TOO!



look how happy he is, i bet he has a dental plan too. (smittens needs braces!)

yours truly,
vinder

p.s. tara, sorry for invading your account. but smittens is too much fun.

SERIOUSLY!
how come when vinder posts from Taras account, her signature isnt there?
can you disable sig on a per post basis?


wait..I see that box there...
lets see hwo this goes

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Originally posted by j_spot SERIOUSLY! how come when vinder posts from Taras account, her signature isnt there? can you disable sig on a per post basis? wait..I see that box there... lets see hwo this goes

i dunno why//maybe it's cuz he's on a different computer?

he has his own account now...so no worries

I had to kill a few babies, but I figured it out
there is a box to disable your sig just above the attach file text area.

and here I thought the board was fucking up.

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Originally posted by j_spot I had to kill a few babies, but I figured it out there is a box to disable your sig just above the attach file text area. and here I thought the board was fucking up.

bingo bango

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I've been here just over a year and average 2 posts a day....that just went up over the last few days thanks to this argument. And yeah, I do have some free time right now because I have strep throat you loser.

hehe watever dude i think u really need to get that stick outta ur ass

Not surprisingly, you necessitate another waste of time

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 and you can take all that philosophy bullshit and shove it up your ass. You people bash me because I'm a history major.....my god, I really hope this dink isn't a philosophy student because THAT is the worst bunch of bullshit I ever went through in school. I've made quite a few excellent points throughout this discussion, but since everyone is against me, nobody is going to point out anything I've said that is true. Oh, by the way Genius...did you cut and paste that right out of the Philosophy 020 text book?

Little boy, again, you are full of sound and fury while signifying nothing. Lose the pedestal, the hegemony, and the subjectivities used as evidence (those will not serve as ample warrant to legitimize your claims).

My argument still stands. Try again little boy. Try to refute part of YOUR own discipline's theoretical core (Philosophy my ass! You only call it bullshit because you CAN'T refute it; because YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN DISCIPLINE'S THEORETICAL CORE; and of course the easy way out of things, the easy way to maintain your dignity, is to respond as you did).

My argument still stands. Touche.

Re: Not surprisingly, you necessitate another waste of time

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Originally posted by RyanMarcus Little boy, again, you are full of sound and fury while signifying nothing. Lose the pedestal, the hegemony, and the subjectivities used as evidence (those will not serve as ample warrant to legitimize your claims). My argument still stands. Try again little boy. Try to refute part of YOUR own discipline's theoretical core (Philosophy my ass! You only call it bullshit because you CAN'T refute it; because YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN DISCIPLINE'S THEORETICAL CORE; and of course the easy way out of things, the easy way to maintain your dignity, is to respond as you did). My argument still stands. Touche.

Matty McMatterson, you're my hero

what happend to all the tota luv?

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Originally posted by charmscars vinder says: dear dj smittens20, whoa! 18 dollars an hour? you're rich dude, i don't wanna mess with you. you could hire hitmen to come kill me. baby sized hitmen. who are on e. i take it all back. look, i'm even turning greeen with envy. I WANT TO BE A ZAMBONI DRIVER TOO! look how happy he is, i bet he has a dental plan too. (smittens needs braces!) yours truly, vinder p.s. tara, sorry for invading your account. but smittens is too much fun.

wow...you dinks do realise that it is MY PART TIME JOB, which becomes FULL TIME in the summer. I make over $25,000 dollars a year even though I'm a full time student for 8 months of the year. Now I know most of you worked at McDonalds during your undergraduate career and are stuck paying off $30,000 debts but that's no reason to make fun of my job because I'm in much more financially stable position.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 wow...you dinks do realise that it is MY PART TIME JOB, which becomes FULL TIME in the summer. I make over $25,000 dollars a year even though I'm a full time student for 8 months of the year. Now I know most of you worked at McDonalds during your undergraduate career and are stuck paying off $30,000 debts but that's no reason to make fun of my job because I'm in much more financially stable position.

Actually, no. When I was at Western doing my undergrad, I was a TA. A TA for students like yourself.

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