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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 We aren't trying to scare you into anything,we're just telling you what's going on,and how it is. Big difference.

That was an attempt to answer the first sentence, but it was incorrect. You said:

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You think really differently when you're staring death in the face.

Which is nothing shy of a veiled threat � do this or else. No one could read this in any other manner, unless you decide to become ignorant and/or na�ve. Let me give you a similar scenario:

�Nessa, you give me a million dollars, or I�ll torch your house and everyone in it.�

Now, I�m not trying to scare you, I�m just telling you what�s going on, and how it is. Big difference isn�t it?

Now I responded with the following website, which outlined this threat Christians give, often known as Pascal�s Wager, and in it were details of the fallacies of this Wager/threat. For the sake of courtesy, I�ll oblige you and post the Wager and fallacies here:

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The Wager Pascal's Wager can be presented in many different forms, usually something like this: "If you believe, and God exists, you gain everything. If you disbelieve, and God exists, you lose everything." Alternatively : "It makes more sense to believe in God than to not believe. If you believe, and God exists, you will be rewarded in the afterlife. If you do not believe, and He exists, you will be punished for your disbelief. If He does not exist, you have lost nothing either way. " The worst case for the theist is no afterlife, the worst case for the atheist is an eternity in Hell. You can see why this appears to be a potentially convincing argument - it is sensible to choose the least-worst case. The flaws The most obvious problems with Pascal's Wager are: � How do you know which God to believe in? There are plenty to choose from, and if you pick the wrong one, you could be in big trouble (e.g. what if you choose Jesus, but get to heaven only to come face-to-trunk with Ganesh?). This is known as the "Avoiding the wrong Hell problem". If a dozen people of different religions came to you with Pascal's Wager, how could you possibly choose between them? After all, many religions are quite specific that they are the One True Religion, and not any others. Jesus Christ said "I am the way, the truth and the light. None shall come to the Father except through me." [emphasis added] and no doubt most other religions make similar claims. If a Christian considers the Wager as strong support for his faith, surely he must accept that it is equally valid for all other religions when presented to himself? � God is not stupid. Won't He know that you're just trying to get a free ride into Heaven? How can you sincerely believe in a God simply out of convenience? � If there is no God, you have still lost something. You have wasted a good portion of your life performing the various devotional rituals, attending Churches, praying, reading scripture and discussing your deity with His other followers. Not to mention giving your hard-earned money to the church, wasting your intelligence on theological endeavours and boring the hell out of people who really don't want to hear your Good News. � Can you get away with just sort of generally believing in a Supreme Being, without specifically believing in one particular Deity? Probably not - God will still know what you're up to. Also, many Gods are quite particular about how they should be worshipped. Many born-again Christians will tell you that the only way to Heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your personal saviour - nothing more and nothing less. General-Deity-Belief and being nice simply won't do. Many people believe that all the different religions are merely alternative routes to the same destination. Nice and tolerant (if a little warm'n'fuzzy) though this may be, there is no valid reason to accept this stance over the fire-and-brimstone fundamentalist position : if the fundies are right, then the un-Saved liberal theists are in just as much trouble as the nonbelievers. � Few, if any, atheists disbelieve in deities out of choice. It's not as if we know the god is really there, but somehow refuse to believe in it (for example, see if you can choose to truly believe that Australia does not exist). Most atheists disbelieve simply because they know of no compelling evidence to suggest that any sort of god exists. If you want an atheist to believe, show her some good evidence, don't just say it's in her best interests to believe even if there is no god. A person cannot choose to sincerely believe in something, just because it is pragmatic to do so. Sure, you could say all the right prayers and attend church regularly, but that is not the same thing as actually believing, and any God worth his salt would obviously see straight through that. � It is quite insulting. It amounts to a thinly veiled threat, little better than saying "Believe in my God or He'll send you to Hell" (in fact, this is often the form it is presented in). Also, the theist making this threat assumes that the atheist believes there is a Hell or a God to send her there in the first place. If you don't believe in Hell anyway, it's not a scary thing to be threatened with - a bit like saying "If you don't start believing in unicorns, one will trample you to death while you're sleeping." Who would be worried by that? � It is often self-refuting, depending on the person's description of God. If you believe that God will forgive anyone for anything, or judge people purely on how they lived their life and not what they believed, or that everyone gets to Heaven regardless (unless maybe they were genocidal cannibal serial killers), then the Wager is meaningless. You might as well say "Believe in God, or you'll... erm... go to Heaven anyway." In such a case, it doesn't make a scrap of difference whether the person believes or not. Pascal's Wager is hopelessly flawed. It sounds good at first, but poke it with the spike of reason and it quickly deflates, letting out all the hot air.

And your sentence reply also ignored the rest of my response. Please respond to the rest of it as shown:

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Truly, this is in direct contradiction to the "peaceful, loving" God they continually profess. If God does, indeed, know my heart, as you point out below, He will most certainly know my intentions for trying to be as logical and as helpful on this planet as I can be. If that is not good enough for Him, then I would proclaim this God to be illogical and irrational (as it is clearly seen by his allowances and actions in a number of OT stories), and I want no part of Him. Period.

IOW, why would God want me to believe in the illogical?

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Ask again then.

Why do you not read what I wrote, and wish for me to repeat? Please do not ask that which you immediately answer below:

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Again, we choose to sin or not to sin. Of course there is a difference between ignorance,and stupidity.

Which has nothing to do with my response. I am referring to addiction, one that cannot be stopped, even though the rapist/child murderer/drug addict wants so badly to do so, their will is just not strong enough for whatever reason. Yet they are Christian enough to accept Jesus. They are neither being ignorant nor stupid � it is an addiction.

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But, the fact of the matter is for those who know they are sinning,they know not to do it, and they can control it. It might be hard,but they can.

How many addicts have you known? You ever talked to a heroin addict? A true meth addict? How about a rapist? Unfortunately, I have had the displeasure to speak with these type of individuals in my past. They very much would like to cease their addictions, but the pressure is simply too great for many of these addicts to overcome. Of course they know they shouldn�t do it, and of course they ask for repentance of their sins each and every time with all their hearts to Jesus � but they do it regardless.

So as I continue stating, despite their sins, they will be allowed into heaven because of their repentance and acceptance of Jesus as their Savior, versus a Buddhist monk whose sole life is to help others and who knows nothing of Jesus will rot in hell.

This is the very essence of what you are saying. I do understand this. Thank you for pointing out just how fair God�s judgement is on us all here on earth.

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No you are totally not getting what I'm saying. You know, Satan believed/believes in Christ aswell,he knows Jesus and God are real. But, he isn't a follower, he isn't saved by them. There's a difference. If you are saved by Jesus Christ,then you will be permitted to heaven. Only God knows our hearts, you keep forgetting these details,friend.

Yes, as I explained above. Anyone who repents for their sins and accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior will be in heaven, despite their murderous, atrocious, evil deeds here on earth. Anyone who does not accept Jesus and repent their their sins, including Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Aborigines, Hindus, Eskimos, Indians (prior to white-man colonies), reality-show junkies, and anyone that has ever been introduced to Jesus and knows nothing of Christianity like in the mountains of Tibet, will therefore be sent to hell. This list of non-Christians is approximately 66% (~ 4 billion or so people), and it also includes those who call themselves �Christians� but do not truly believe in Jesus and repent for their sins, which probably pushes the percentage of earthlings going to hell to approx. 80-85%. Lotsa folks will be cookin� marshmallows with old Beelzebub.

I guess this begs the question � why did God put so many people on earth, including those people who have and will never hear of Jesus (Tibetan mountain folk), only to send them directly to hell when they die?

Then again, if you want to take the Bible literally, Revelation 7:4 states that only 144,000 JEWS are going to heaven, while everyone else will be in hell, but hey, who�s being specific here?

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You are totally messed up on this. Shall I repeat once more? GOOD DEEDS WILL NOT GET YOU INTO HEAVEN. If that were the case,then why did Jesus even die on the cross? eh? I quoted an old quote for you " The pathway to hell is paved with good intentions. " Good deeds won't get you to heaven.

Yes, I�m very clear now. Good deeds are most certainly not enough. Belief in Christ and repentance for your sins. Thank you. Everyone else, including my list above, come out and get your campfire/hellfire gear�..

And as I said, this truly says wonders about a loving, peaceful, rational God.

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No,you aren't clear. Listen carefully, then you might comprehend what I'm telling you. Those who are not saved by Jesus Christ,and have not repented for their sins, will not go to heaven. Is that clear? Ok,Good lets move on.

I really hope we understand each other. I�ve made it abundantly clear with precise examples that I understand you. Thanks.

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We all commit sin, we're all humans and we all make mistakes.Christians,atheists,Muslims,Jewish..etc etc etc. We all our sinners. But, some of us repent for our sin. There is a difference.. Now,you should be clear. ( to add, I hope you know this isn't a joke to me or others here.)

I think there�s still a misunderstanding here. Let�s back up and examine again what you said:

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Once you make it right with God, you don't do those things. You have no desire to.

Now I fully understand that everyone sins, including Christians. But this statement is in complete contradiction to your statement about not doing �those things� and having no desire to. I then concluded that the only people that should theoretically be sitting in jail are atheists, agnostics, and non-Christians, because they reject or are unaware of Jesus and continually and willfully sin and do evil.

So which is it?

And no, I'm not joking. Maybe I'm being a little facetious, but I'm certainly not joking.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 So how exactly do you know whether god really wants you to do something or whether you just think that god wants you to do it? Especially if you have a psychological disorder, like schizophrenia?

You know when God's speaking to you,and you know when it's yourself thinking it. Another toughie to explain.
I don't know,I don't have schizophrenia.

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And you haven't answered the second question. What about people who never had the chance to be introduced to Jesus's teachings? What about native americans prior to 1492? What about aborigines? What about people who lived prior to Christ? What about those living in remote regions of the world where Jesus's teachings aren't known?

Actually. I did. But, I'll answer it again.

I don't believe God will let a person go to hell if they haven't had the chance of hearing about Him. In these kind of cases,they are judged by their heart,and only God can do this.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade If you live your life peacefully and righteously, you shall reach the divine and have a good next life. Once again, if someone doesn't believe in Christianity, they aren't going to care if you think they're going to hell.

You'd be suprised.

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It fits fine. With all the contradictions in the bible, it fits absolutely fine. Christians have the tendency to think their religion is the one and only and anyone who doesn't believe in it is wrong or will go to hell. Get over it, a lot of people believe in other things.

And again,no it doesn't. There aren't contradictions. You can believe that all you want,but there aren't any.
I've already said it about a million times,yes I know other people believe in other things.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 I don't know exactly where it is, I'll have to look for it.

I look forward to it. I certainly hope either you or your sister can find it. It's important for me to see and understand your sources.

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And I never avoided questions in the first place.

Of course not. You answered every question in a very clear and concise manner, albeit illogical, begging the question (i.e. circular reasoning), or simply answering "I don't feel like it". What was I thinking?

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But hey,you know it wouldn't hurt anyone to read the whole Bible anyway. Then again,you might actually learn something! That's probably why no one here wants to even pick it up.

Why do you continue to assume that I or others here have not read the Bible? Is it because we do not see everything in the Bible, and have not selectively chosen those parts of the Bible which fit our lifestyles and beliefs exactly the way you do?

Now I�ve told you in the past my personal history in Christianity. I thoroughly read the Bible cover to cover many o� times as others have here as well. I also believed very strongly in my Christian faith, very similar to you. What I and others here see in the Bible, however, are some logical problems and contradictions, which does not bode well for an all-powerful God, whom we should assume is a rational, logical Supreme Being.

So could you please do me and others the courtesy here and cease with such baseless accusations? It is nothing but a detriment for your argument.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 You'd be suprised.

Really, because I believe in something COMPLETELY different than you, and I'm not bothered in the least that you think that I'm going to hell for it. I know that believing in the divine and living through good karma my next life will lead me closer to supreme knowledge. And there are many people in here who don't believe in Christianity, and I don't think they're bothered either. Let's ask them.

POLITICAL FORUM BROWSERS- Are you bothered that Christians believe that you're going to hell?

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And again,no it doesn't. There aren't contradictions. You can believe that all you want,but there aren't any. I've already said it about a million times,yes I know other people believe in other things.

I think that enough people have proved that there are. Why don't you tell me then, why Jesus is missing the years 18-32 in the bible?

You know? Then why don't you understand that Christianity is not the ultimate religion?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Now, I�m not trying to scare you, I�m just telling you what�s going on, and how it is. Big difference isn�t it?

No,you may think your example fits quite peachy keen.But, It doesn't. The fact of the matter is here, We aren't trying to scare anyone. Infact,that's not how we go up to people at all. ( atleast that's not how you should. ) When Christians witness, we talk about God love, and we tell each and every person we can how much God loves them.

The topic of hell is brought up sometimes, and some Christians do try to scare people into believing in God.. I don't think that's right, but If the topic of hell is brought up. I'll tell them it's not a pretty place,but it's very real just like the world we're living in now.
I wish people wouldn't make the choice to go there, because I don't like people to be in pain.

You're probably thinking I'm trying to get you to sympathize, but I'm not. It's just how I am, if a person is hurting I want to help. But, my job is to witness to people. Not to scare people.

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And your sentence reply also ignored the rest of my response. Please respond to the rest of it as shown: IOW, why would God want me to believe in the illogical?

I don't think I even saw that message earlier,sorry. But, God wouldn't want you to believe in the illogical. Why do you think he would?
(IOW? Don't think I've heard of that one before.)

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How many addicts have you known? You ever talked to a heroin addict? A true meth addict? How about a rapist? Unfortunately, I have had the displeasure to speak with these type of individuals in my past. They very much would like to cease their addictions, but the pressure is simply too great for many of these addicts to overcome. Of course they know they shouldn�t do it, and of course they ask for repentance of their sins each and every time with all their hearts to Jesus � but they do it regardless.

FYI,I had a friend on pot for a while. She just came out of it after an over dose. She also drank for a while too. Of which she's come out of.

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I guess this begs the question � why did God put so many people on earth, including those people who have and will never hear of Jesus (Tibetan mountain folk), only to send them directly to hell when they die?

I already answered this. Further more, people all around the world can hear about God now. So many ministeries,and missionaries these days.

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Then again, if you want to take the Bible literally, Revelation 7:4 states that only 144,000 JEWS are going to heaven, while everyone else will be in hell, but hey, who�s being specific here?

It's not just Jews that will be there.

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But this statement is in complete contradiction to your statement about not doing �those things� and having no desire to. I then concluded that the only people that should theoretically be sitting in jail are atheists, agnostics, and non-Christians, because they reject or are unaware of Jesus and continually and willfully sin and do evil.

No contradiction. People sin, it's unfortunatly human nature. But, just because we sin doesn't always mean we have the desire to. Sometimes we make mistakes.

Some people ask for forgiveness from their sins,and learn from them.So,There is a difference.

Christians have been arrested aswell. I never said that atheists,agnostics,and non Christians are in jail.

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And no, I'm not joking. Maybe I'm being a little facetious, but I'm certainly not joking.

Good.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Really, because I believe in something COMPLETELY different than you, and I'm not bothered in the least that you think that I'm going to hell for it. I know that believing in the divine and living through good karma my next life will lead me closer to supreme knowledge. And there are many people in here who don't believe in Christianity, and I don't think they're bothered either. Let's ask them. POLITICAL FORUM BROWSERS- Are you bothered that Christians believe that you're going to hell?

I would invite my older sisters friend here,Kris is his name. He was/is atheist,but it bothered him thinking about hell. The thought circled his mind day and night. He's just one of the many friends my sisters,and myself had who were bothered by the thought of hell.

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I think that enough people have proved that there are. Why don't you tell me then, why Jesus is missing the years 18-32 in the bible? You know? Then why don't you understand that Christianity is not the ultimate religion?

They haven't proved jack squat when it comes to the whole case of " contradictions in the Bible " They would like to believe they have. But, they haven't. There aren't contradictions in the Bible, that's obviously,and that topic is final for me.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I look forward to it. I certainly hope either you or your sister can find it. It's important for me to see and understand your sources.

Which sister? I have 2 sisters. But, I'll look it up tonight. What were you looking for again? ( So I can write it down.)

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Of course not. You answered every question in a very clear and concise manner, albeit illogical, begging the question (i.e. circular reasoning), or simply answering "I don't feel like it". What was I thinking?

I don't recall saying " I don't feel like it. "
But, I do remeber saying " I have nothing to say to that " (Or something along the lines of such.)

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Why do you continue to assume that I or others here have not read the Bible? Is it because we do not see everything in the Bible, and have not selectively chosen those parts of the Bible which fit our lifestyles and beliefs exactly the way you do? Now I�ve told you in the past my personal history in Christianity. I thoroughly read the Bible cover to cover many o� times as others have here as well. I also believed very strongly in my Christian faith, very similar to you. What I and others here see in the Bible, however, are some logical problems and contradictions, which does not bode well for an all-powerful God, whom we should assume is a rational, logical Supreme Being. So could you please do me and others the courtesy here and cease with such baseless accusations? It is nothing but a detriment for your argument.

Maybe you have, but I'm sure many others haven't. But, I do apologize if you took offense to this.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 I would invite my older sisters friend here,Kris is his name. He was/is atheist,but it bothered him thinking about hell. The thought circled his mind day and night. He's just one of the many friends my sisters,and myself had who were bothered by the thought of hell.

So some people you know were bothered. The majority aren't. If someone fully believes in their faith, they aren't going to be bothered by what another religion thinks. That's why they are part of a different religion.

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They haven't proved jack squat when it comes to the whole case of " contradictions in the Bible " They would like to believe they have. But, they haven't. There aren't contradictions in the Bible, that's obviously,and that topic is final for me.

You still didn't answer my question.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade [font=comic sans ms]So some people you know were bothered. The majority aren't. If someone fully believes in their faith, they aren't going to be bothered by what another religion thinks. That's why they are part of a different religion.

I wasn't talking about minority,or majority. But, still some people are bothered by the fact of hell.

And Kris, Trust me. He was pretty dang deep into atheism, He would get angry even if we said " Thank God ". Despite the differences between beliefs, we got along quite well actually.

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You still didn't answer my question.

Your question was?

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 I wasn't talking about minority,or majority. But, still some people are bothered by the fact of hell.

So you base your theory that others are bothered by Christians saying their going to hell by a few people rather than a vast majority?

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And Kris, Trust me. He was pretty dang deep into atheism, He would get angry even if we said " Thank God ". Despite the differences between beliefs, we got along quite well actually.

I don't think I ever said anything about people not getting along because of their religious preferences. If he was an Aethist and was bothered by you saying he was going to hell, then obviously he wasn't a true Aethist.

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Your question was?

Explain to me why there are so many years missing of Jesus' life in the bible.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade [stupid font=comic sans ms]Really, because I believe in something COMPLETELY different than you, and I'm not bothered in the least that you think that I'm going to hell for it. I know that believing in the divine and living through good karma my next life will lead me closer to supreme knowledge. And there are many people in here who don't believe in Christianity, and I don't think they're bothered either. Let's ask them. POLITICAL FORUM BROWSERS- Are you bothered that Christians believe that you're going to hell? I think that enough people have proved that there are. Why don't you tell me then, why Jesus is missing the years 18-32 in the bible? You know? Then why don't you understand that Christianity is not the ultimate religion?[/ stupid font]

You obvioulsly are bothered by the thought (not hell as in specific, but the religion in general) because you are so adimate about posting about it...it obvioulsly bothers you what people think about you. It's human nature to wonder what others think about you. It's just up to that person to either act on those thoughts, or attempt to counter them by passive means. The easiest thing to do would be to write it off, continue with your own beliefs and be happy about it. However, it's pretty simple here that you'd just rather argue about it and try and prove that you are in the right. And when you speak of hypocracy...maybe the first place you should look is at yourself.

I'm a Catholic, and I hardly think I'm part of the ultimate religion, nor do I think everyone else is wrong. I have my beliefs and I stick to them. I don't try and prove or disprove who is right or wrong. I not a big fan of being stereotyped...even though it's the easy scapegoat for most people to do.

A persons beliefs will take them where they wish to go after passing...trying to prove or disprove that those beliefs are false...is futile.

*sigh*...time for Todai Japanese Buffet

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Explain to me why there are so many years missing of Jesus' life in the bible.[/font]

Because those years were completely boring to write down! I mean, really, you want to read about someone's being a carpenter, go down to Home Depot and read a home-improvement manual.

Sheesh! That was an easy one.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 I don't believe God will let a person go to hell if they haven't had the chance of hearing about Him. In these kind of cases,they are judged by their heart,and only God can do this.

But wait. It SAYS in the New testament that the only way to heaven is through Jesus. Therefore, according to the bible, these people CAN'T go to heaven ... therefore they go to hell. So why are you taking literal interpretations of the bible in saying that those who do not accept Jesus are going to hell yet say you believe that those who haven't heard of Jesus (and therefore do not accept him) are judged by their hearts and go to heaven?

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Originally posted by occrider But wait. It SAYS in the New testament that the only way through heaven is through Jesus. Therefore, according to the bible, these people CAN'T go to heaven ... therefore they go to hell. So why are you taking literal interpretations of the bible in saying that those who do not accept Jesus are going to hell yet say you believe that those who haven't heard of Jesus (and therefore do not accept him) are judged by their hearts and go to heaven?

Ahh, damnit you beat me to it....

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Ahh, damnit you beat me to it....

Typical. Just like you heathens to be slow!

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Originally posted by occrider Typical. Just like you heathens to be slow!

Who you be callin' a heathen, HEATHEN?!?!?!?

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Originally posted by priveye03 So let me get this straight, God and Jesus are perfect correct? But they can basically do/command people to do things that get them a quick ticket to the eternal flames of hell. So I guess being a hypocrite makes you perfect. Well then slap me silly and call me Jesus...

Not really, if they are commanding them, obviously the won't go to hell. "they have God's permission to do it" Get it? not so hard to understand. I belive God is considered perfect because he basically is all powerfull, he is "The Alpha and the Omega". He judges perfectly according to HIS eyes. Some people agree with his judgement, others don't.

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Originally posted by occrider Well first of all, the entire point of the post is to not take the bible literally. Especially since it was written by an enormous number of people who were MEN. The ongoing debate is whether the bible should be taken at face value and literally because it is the WORD of God through men. If it IS the word of God through men then it's quite clear that God probably has alzheimer's or something.

Actually, the contradictions page is the one taking things literally. Im just applying the correct context the goes along with the lines. Im not agreeing to it. However, its pretty much all out of context if you only grab one line and compare it with another.

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Exactly. The bible was written by men who are prone to error and flaws just like any other person. Therefore it's credibility can be called into question.

Its credibility? uhmm, that is debatable weather you believe in it or not, so you cant's really make a conclusion weather its credible or not, its about faith. I think the correct term is it's ACCURACY can be called into question.

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Hmmmm ok I see, so when God says thou shall not kill, he's only referring to the people that are innocent? So in every instance of the bible where God says to kill, that person is automattically one that he's judged and deemed worthy of elimination?

Yeah that is exactly correct, glad you comprehend. Although when God says "Thou shall not kill", its a commandment applied to the people only and not to him. If God gives permission to kill, "it is ok". God has the power of both good and evil. He is considered good to those who serve him well, and only those will recieve his love. He is just to those who serve him and those who throw themselves at his mercy. His infidels on the other hand will die.

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13:6 And the king answered and said unto the man of God, Intreat now the face of the LORD thy God, and pray for me, that my hand may be restored me again. And the man of God besought the LORD, and the king's hand was restored him again, and became as it was before.

His hand was restored. Did you miss that part? God tests peoples loyalty. Just like he tested Adam and Eve. He had devised a ruele and then found a way of persuading them to break it, in order to invent punishment. He knew that Adam and Eve would become bored with perfections and would, sooner or later test his patience. He set a trap, maybe because the Almighty Lord was bored with everything going so smoothly. When the law was broken, God even pretended to pursue them, as if he did not already know every possible hididng place. With the angles looking on, amused by the game.

But back to the sacrificial part, ive never seen God ask for sacrifice and let it happen and let the blood spill without Him restoring the deed or stopping the sacrifice before it occurs. Find a line that has a complete sacrifice with no restoration, and prove me wrong.

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Originally posted by PhloTron You obvioulsly are bothered by the thought (not hell as in specific, but the religion in general) because you are so adimate about posting about it...

I thought this was a debate forum, in which you argue your point? I'm not bothered by it in the least. I already posted my beliefs. I know that through living life I shall prepare myself for my next one, which eventually will lead me to supreme knowledge. I just think it's ridiculous that Christians have a tendency to say everyone's going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus. I believe in Krishna, and I'm not going to hell.

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it obvioulsly bothers you what people think about you.

Nope, not at all

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It's human nature to wonder what others think about you. It's just up to that person to either act on those thoughts, or attempt to counter them by passive means. The easiest thing to do would be to write it off, continue with your own beliefs and be happy about it. However, it's pretty simple here that you'd just rather argue about it and try and prove that you are in the right.

Or perhaps I'm in a DEBATE, and usually, when a person debates, they try to prove their point, and correct others.

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And when you speak of hypocracy...maybe the first place you should look is at yourself.

Why don't you show me where I was hypocritical.

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I'm a Catholic, and I hardly think I'm part of the ultimate religion, nor do I think everyone else is wrong. I have my beliefs and I stick to them. I don't try and prove or disprove who is right or wrong. I not a big fan of being stereotyped...even though it's the easy scapegoat for most people to do.

Congradulations. Want a cookie?

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A persons beliefs will take them where they wish to go after passing...trying to prove or disprove that those beliefs are false...is futile.

That's not what I was trying to do. I was trying to get it through Nellie's head that not everyone cares that she thinks they are going to hell. Considering Christianity is the main religion which is forced upon people, I think it's incorrect to assume that the entire world is going to be bothered because of the fact that she thinks they are going to hell because they don't believe in Jesus. As I stated previously, many religions were around before Christianity, it is not the supreme religion.

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*sigh*...time for Todai Japanese Buffet

SUSHI AND SAKE!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by anuneventrade [stupid font=comic sans ms] Congradulations. Want a cookie? [stupid /font]

If you are going to be such a smart ass, you could at least spell it right. There shall be no excuses either.

ty

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Originally posted by occrider But wait. It SAYS in the New testament that the only way to heaven is through Jesus. Therefore, according to the bible, these people CAN'T go to heaven ... therefore they go to hell. So why are you taking literal interpretations of the bible in saying that those who do not accept Jesus are going to hell yet say you believe that those who haven't heard of Jesus (and therefore do not accept him) are judged by their hearts and go to heaven?

But,God is fair. If they haven't had the chance of hearing about God,they will be judge by their heart. You aren't stumping me here you know.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade So you base your theory that others are bothered by Christians saying their going to hell by a few people rather than a vast majority?

Nope, let's not put the cart before the horse. You were saying no one is bothered by it, but I'm telling you. There are people who are bothered by it, I'm not going with majority or minority.

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I don't think I ever said anything about people not getting along because of their religious preferences. If he was an Aethist and was bothered by you saying he was going to hell, then obviously he wasn't a true Aethist.

No,you didn't. I just put that in there. But, How do you know he wasn't a true atheist? You don't,that's the fact of the matter. This guy was into it majorly, He was into the whole " The BIble is a book of fairytales " thing,and he wouldn't even speak to our mom because he was angry that she's a Christian.
That and the fact that he was mouthing off about God being stupid and so on..and my mom told him off right then in there in our house.

But the point is, He was bothered by it. Atheist,and all.

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Explain to me why there are so many years missing of Jesus' life in the bible.

I'll have to get back to you on this one.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 But,God is fair. If they haven't had the chance of hearing about God,they will be judge by their heart. You aren't stumping me here you know.

So you're going to go against what is stated in the Bible then? These unknowing non-Christians will be okay then, even though the Bible clearly and concisely states that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus?

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 But,God is fair. If they haven't had the chance of hearing about God,they will be judge by their heart. You aren't stumping me here you know.

so, aren't you born with a heart, good, or bad, which also mean that god have already decided which ones that will come to heaven?

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Originally posted by PhloTron If you are going to be such a smart ass, you could at least spell it right. There shall be no excuses either. ty

Bah, one spelling mistake does not equal an actual problem. You try writing two essays three hours before you have to leave for class and taking care of two twin babies and attempting to make a logical post!

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No,you didn't. I just put that in there. But, How do you know he wasn't a true atheist? You don't,that's the fact of the matter. This guy was into it majorly, He was into the whole " The BIble is a book of fairytales " thing,and he wouldn't even speak to our mom because he was angry that she's a Christian. That and the fact that he was mouthing off about God being stupid and so on..and my mom told him off right then in there in our house. But the point is, He was bothered by it. Atheist,and all.

"the bible is a book of fairytales" thing? I think there's a bit more to Aethism than that.

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I'll have to get back to you on this one.

You go ahead and do that.

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