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Originally posted by dEsidEL we could hav atleast gotten a draft pick or something .. i highly doubt he's gonna resign here .. i dunno what Babcock was (or wasn't) thinking

that's true...I'd think the most we'd have rec'd was a 2nd rounder though?

I'd honestly rather see the Raptors attempt to make a run, or at least finish well, and have Marshall in the lineup to help them.

Ditching him for a pick would have been admitting this season was now a complete write off.

Although one thing I didn't realize is that we're so far over the cap, that when he leaves next year, his contact being gone does *nothing* for us to be able to sign a free agent

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Originally posted by MarkT that's true...I'd think the most we'd have rec'd was a 2nd rounder though? I'd honestly rather see the Raptors attempt to make a run, or at least finish well, and have Marshall in the lineup to help them. Ditching him for a pick would have been admitting this season was now a complete write off. Although one thing I didn't realize is that we're so far over the cap, that when he leaves next year, his contact being gone does *nothing* for us to be able to sign a free agent

i always thought that most of the competitive teams were over the luxury cap anyway

most are...but we're not exactly "competitive" right now, lol

I thought Marshall contract being gone would free up cap room...but all it does it reduce how much OVER the cap we'll be. So it's a money saving move for the Raptors' ownership, nothing more

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Originally posted by MarkT that's true...I'd think the most we'd have rec'd was a 2nd rounder though? I'd honestly rather see the Raptors attempt to make a run, or at least finish well, and have Marshall in the lineup to help them. Ditching him for a pick would have been admitting this season was now a complete write off.

the thing is, at the beginning of the season, all the atlantic teams were pretty much even. Now, all of them but the Raps have upgraded so their playoff chances are pretty much gone.

I think we could have gotten a first-rounder for Marshall. I'm not sure why a lot of teams are chasing this guy though. He hasn't been that consistent recently.

First rounder? hmmmmm...I dunno...I highly doubt that.

A first rounder from a serious contender, maybe...but then that's likely a low pick anyway. I can't see a middle ground team whose 1st rounder would be really worth something actually giving up that pick just for Marshall.

I look at it this way...making trades to keep up with the competition is a poor way of running a team when you're not a serious contender. I'd rather see them make smart moves than just make moves because everyone else is making a move. For all we know, there were no decent deals on the table for Marshall that actually would have helped us out next year...taking on long term contracts for players that wouldn't really address a serious need (e.g. Malik Rose) is pointless...I'd rather see Marshall go and give people like Bonner and E. Williams some more playing time next year.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL i always thought that most of the competitive teams were over the luxury cap anyway

Your right for the most part.
The Raptors could basically gain nothing for just making
a trade to make the playoffs. They're not going anywhere anyway.
Worst thing to do is to just make a trade for the sake of making a trade. In the BIG picture, its best to look past this season and
bring someone in who can help Bosh in the future.

maybe Raps are gonna try to sign Marshall for a long term contract?

would it be smart to do so?

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Originally posted by EvilDust maybe Raps are gonna try to sign Marshall for a long term contract? would it be smart to do so?

if he delivers, sure... there are another 28 games left, who knows. he might blow up in the rest of the season for Raps...

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Originally posted by EvilDust maybe Raps are gonna try to sign Marshall for a long term contract? would it be smart to do so?

How old is Marshall? Thirty something?
He's a good bench player, and I don't think Raps are willing to shell out big bucks for a bench player.

Raps win 2 in a roll on road.

Raps seem more... robust on D, but Mason and Redd had a terrible game and the Bucks had many freethrows to make it a close game. Could have gone either way.

Well, next up the Lakers.

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Originally posted by EvilDust maybe Raps are gonna try to sign Marshall for a long term contract? would it be smart to do so?

If they promised him a starting role with big minutes...maybe...but Marshall apparently wants out, from what I've read.

Missed the game tonight...Bucks had a reduced lineup...the guys they traded were gone...the new ones were on the bench but didn't play...and Redd went 5 for 20 or something? brutal. Glad the Raps pulled out another road win though

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Originally posted by MarkT Glad the Raps pulled out another road win though

Actually, I'm quite shocked and pleased to report that they never were behind, and held the lead all game. The Bucks came withing 2-3 posessions in the final minutes, but that was as hard as it got for our boys.

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Raptors unhappy but win Players irked by Babcock's lack of trade activity Put feelings aside for second straight victory on road DOUG SMITH SPORTS REPORTER MILWAUKEE�They are united in their disdain for and disappointment in a general manager who let a trade deadline come and go, those who didn't get to leave angry that they are still Raptors and others upset that no help was added to a roster that could use it. But the ones who got left behind proved last night they also know how to put aside those feelings, compete and win. With key plays down the stretch from Donyell Marshall, Chris Bosh and Rafer Alston, the Raptors beat the Milwaukee Bucks 106-102, giving Toronto a two-game road win streak for the first time this season. It is to the credit of coach Sam Mitchell that the Raptors have not mailed in efforts many nights this season and they had every reason to in this one. They saw leads cut from 12 to one, saw the Bucks make repeated fourth-quarter runs and when they could have thrown up their hands and given in, they didn't. "I give these guys a lot of credit, they didn't succumb to it," Mitchell said of the trade rumours that swirled around the team for weeks and the propensity that existed for a lackadaisical effort last night. "This is the team we're going to have from here on out. Whatever we do is on us." What they've done so far is something quite out of the ordinary for the Raptors. They got big-time plays at big-time moments by their big-time players to run their record to 23-32, which isn't good but could be a whole lot worse. Marshall, now resigned to staying with the Raptors until the end of the season, grabbed two clutch rebounds in traffic in the final 90 seconds; Bosh, his usual graceful self, made a perfect pass that Alston turned into a huge three-pointer; and Jalen Rose iced the game at the foul line. Bosh, who had to sit out 11 minutes of the second quarter with foul trouble, led the Raptors with 27 points and his offensive rebound in the final 30 seconds kept alive a key possession. And his pass to Alston set up a three-pointer that gave Toronto a seven-point lead with about a minute to go and represented three of the point guard's 14 points. "We don't have anything to lose," said Bosh. "We just go out and play hard and the worst thing that can happen to you is that you lose. At least we'll go down fighting." But there is a sense of unease, particularly when it comes to GM Rob Babcock, whose failure to make a deadline move Thursday while Atlantic Division rivals improved, caused more than a few players to wonder what was going on. With Philadelphia, Boston and New York each pulling off deals to improve themselves for the playoff stretch run, Babcock's trade paralysis is weighing on everyone's mind. "That's what their teams decided to do (and) obviously it made Boston stronger, it made Philadelphia stronger," Marshall said before the game. "Obviously Rob thought we had a good enough team to still contend with them. We always believed in ourselves and our players even though we've been struggling all year." There has never been a suggestion Marshall would give anything but his best effort every night, but Eric Williams is so ticked off he refused to speak with reporters yesterday morning. Babcock and his advisers have done little to show the players they are willing to make bold moves to get better. And given the Atlantic Division might have been within reach before Thursday, the GM's decision to do nothing sent a terrible signal, even if the players won't say it publicly. "What every team has done around the deadline � except our team � is made a move they feel like will propel them to win the division," said Rose. "Since we didn't do that ... it doesn't mean we don't have the guys who can get it done. Obviously, we're not going to be the favourites to do it." Not by a long shot. Additional articles by Doug Smith

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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...tacodalogin=yes

3 in a roll!

damn, this thread died!

Caught the 2nd half today...great game.

LeBron is suffering the same thing as Kobe...it doesn't matter if you're "the man" if your supporting cast sucks.

Great team effort from the Raptors. Jalen was again unstoppable at the end...not as pretty and dominating a performance as LeBron...but the win is what counts

Marshall is going to get PAID next year...great night for him too. Bonner was looking good out there too...his defense is getting better. I'm liking the way Palacio is playing lately too...more competent with the ball. Rafer is still WAY above his skill level, but at least we don't have to dread every moment that Rafer is taking a break...

16 games left. 9.5 games back of first place (fat chance). but only 4 games behind 8th in the eastern conf. is it still doable to make the playoffs?!?!

shame that lebron scores 56 and still his team loses. ahh well, great win for us

season is pretty much over
but, tmr night..a certain EX is coming back. should be interesting to hear the crowd's response.

liked what leo rautins (?) said for the team to be successful next season:

1. PRIDE

2. PASSION

3. PROFESSIONALISM

amen on that. enjoy the rest of the season and here's to a next year!

And learn to play defence.

What the Raptors need:
Either a defensive SG/SF, or one who can put in 30 on any given night. There are too many athletic high scoring players at this position in the NBA to get torched from that position every night.

Replace Rafer. He's tolerable when the team's winning, but when they're losing, he's running his mouth off and taking stupid shots.

Confidence in each other. Team defense comes from this principal, as well as preventing long losing skids because you dropped a game to a team like Atlanta 2 weeks before.

Keep Donyell. For God's sake, keep Donyell, he's turning into a Charles Oakley like player without the attitude, and an even longer range on his jumper.

Help for Bosh up front. Tough to come by, but we could seriously use a little more quality, or at least defensively sound beef up front. Arujuo or however the fuck you spell his name isn't gonna work. I don't care if you think he needs to get better, to me, all I see is another Yogi Stewart, or Zan Tabak. Maybe we'll get luck in the draft and be able to land that ugly kid from Utah, Bogut.

^^^ I pretty much agree with all of that...I'd love to see them keep Marshall, but I can't see it happening

The Raptors need what they (and lots of others) need EVERY year...a quality big man and a true point guard (no more Milt "I-can't-make-a-layup" Palacio types).

Keep Jalen, ditch Rafer and his sulky attitude...get a veteran centre (even one who is past his prime) centre who can school Arujo and force him to learn. Who the hell does he even play against in practice that will improve him?

I don't know college b-ball, so I have no idea of the quality of players in this draft...but I'd be happy to see the Raptors trade both first rounders for a solid centre.

Rafer (or a replacement PG), Rose, Marshall, Bosh and a decent centre...that's a damn good starting lineup. Bonner is great off the bench...Sow is fun to watch and could turn out decent, if given the chance. I'm not ready to give up on Arujo, but there's no way he can be our starting centre...

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Originally posted by MarkT ^^^ I pretty much agree with all of that...I'd love to see them keep Marshall, but I can't see it happening

He's gone, unless the Raps are willing to shell out big time money and I don't think Babcock will that, as much as good bench player Marshall is.

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The Raptors need what they (and lots of others) need EVERY year...a quality big man and a true point guard (no more Milt "I-can't-make-a-layup" Palacio types).

Actually, Milt has improved his inside game and his driving skills to the hoop impressed me. He had his share of bad games, but he didn't take too many bad shots (like many 3 pts he attempted last season) and shared the ball better. Mind you, I still think he sucks and raps need a better bench pt guard.

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Keep Jalen, ditch Rafer and his sulky attitude...

Eh. Jalen is good, but not worth 15 mil per season. He is getting past his prime, so while his value is still decent, I say trade him for someone decent.

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get a veteran centre (even one who is past his prime) centre who can school Arujo and force him to learn. Who the hell does he even play against in practice that will improve him?

Anyone remember Hakeem Olajuwon experiment? Yep. I thought so.
Raps need a big man, but a good one and I say spend a lot, or trade those first rounder for one.

I don't know college b-ball, so I have no idea of the quality of players in this draft...but I'd be happy to see the Raptors trade both first rounders for a solid centre.

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Originally posted by Yohan I don't know college b-ball, so I have no idea of the quality of players in this draft...but I'd be happy to see the Raptors trade both first rounders for a solid centre.

Heh. So my wish might come true.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article...626_131716_4352

Hornets dangle Magloire in trade talks with Raptors

Do the Raptors go for immediate help with Magloire or try building for the future through the draft?

Sportsnet.ca -- The Toronto Raptors are in trade discussions with the New Orleans Hornets for Toronto-native Jamaal Magloire, the New Orleans Times-Picayune in reporting.

The paper says the proposed deal would send Toronto's two first-round picks (No. 7 & 16) to New Orleans in exchange for the Canadian centre. League sources told the paper no other players have been mentioned in the discussions.

According to the report, the sources also said New Orleans wants the deal, but Toronto is hesitant about giving up both first-round picks. Instead, the Raptors would rather package its No. 7 pick with a player off the current roster.

The Hornets already have the fourth overall selection, but it appears the club is trying to build through the draft to avoid having to dip into the free agent market next month.

Magloire was an All-Star selection during the 2003-04 the season, during the Hornets' last season in Charlotte. Selected by the Hornets with their first-round pick in the 2000 NBA draft, Magloire has averaged 9.5 points and 7.4 rebounds in four seasons. The Canadian centre appeared in only 23 games last season due to a fractured right ring finger.

Magloire spends the offseason in Toronto and has expressed in the past how difficult it is for him to leave the city before training camp starts in New Orleans. He has said on several occasions that he would like to return home one day to play in front of his family on a regular basis.

The highest-paid player on the Hornets' roster, Magloire will make approximately $8.5 million a season with two years left on his contract.
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The thing is, I don't rate Magloire very highly. Only 9.5 pts/game and 7.4 rebounds for 8.5 mil a season. That's pretty damn expensive. And I don't want the Raps to give up both first rounders just for Magloire.
Though he would be very good support to Bosh up front.

What a pick up he would be. Not sure if he would be worth BOTH 1st round picks. But the Raps definatly need someone of his physical dominance down low. That would take a HUGE load off Bosh, and help save his body.

magloire for both 1st round picks would be a bad deal.....he's a solid player and i would love to see him come to toronto.....but this draft is full of solid players up to around the 20th pick.....the raptors can pick up two guys in this draft who will give them more production combined than magloire could......bottom line....the raps have ALOT of work to do to build a good team again....raptorland is in trouble for at least the next year or two.....unless they find that gem with one of their picks...

fucking stupid babcock

Villenueva? Over May?
WHY THE FUCK!

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