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Who PLAYS "electro"? Dave Clarke, Tiefschwarz, Miss Kittin, Bad Boy Bill, Felix Da Housecat...

You kind of walked right into that one, Ory.

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Originally posted by Ory k, name some other electro DJs. Except Ferry and Benny Benassi.

Fucking hell... everyone has started playing electro stuff, but... Felix da Housecat, Tiefschwarz and Mylo for a start.

Oh, yes, I know all of those. When I hear "Dave Clarke" I don't really think electro though. Tiefschwarz, I didn't know they DJ.

lol UWM.

So who started the electro craze?

i think people confuse popularity with the resulted bashing. i don't think popularity is the main reason why these people get a lot of crap. if a dj or producer became the most popular dj or producer...as long as they are tearing it up...i'll be loving every moment of it.

the difference comes when they are popular...but for know reason besides the fact that stupid people like them. if it wasn't so repetitive and over done...i'd probably like most of these producers...they just need to get some new ideas...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i think people confuse popularity with the resulted bashing. i don't think popularity is the main reason why these people get a lot of crap. if a dj or producer became the most popular dj or producer...as long as they are tearing it up...i'll be loving every moment of it. the difference comes when they are popular...but for know reason besides the fact that stupid people like them. if it wasn't so repetitive and over done...i'd probably like most of these producers...they just need to get some new ideas...

The more popular something is, the more it gets bashed. No one would give a shit about McProg if it was an underground scene somewhere, but because a lot of people love it, it's getting more attention from the bashers.

If anyone's wondering why I like electro, it's for the same reason I like other genres. I find it fresh and innovative from what I've heard, but that doesn't mean that in the deep, deep underground it isn't overplayed. When I myself get sick of it, I'll leave it.

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Originally posted by Ory lol UWM. So who started the electro craze?

Larry Tee...

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Originally posted by Ory If anyone's wondering why I like electro, it's for the same reason I like other genres. I find it fresh and innovative from what I've heard, but that doesn't mean that in the deep, deep underground it isn't overplayed. When I myself get sick of it, I'll leave it.

How is it fresh? Electro is older than MIDI... Kraftwerk were doing it in the 70s, Bambaataa and Mantronik made it relevant again in the 80s- it's arguably the oldest style of electronic music still popular.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The more popular something is, the more it gets bashed. No one would give a shit about McProg if it was an underground scene somewhere, but because a lot of people love it, it's getting more attention from the bashers.

Yup. The more stupid listeners who don't recognize quality, the more bashers are needed to, uh, bash them.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The more popular something is, the more it gets bashed. No one would give a shit about McProg if it was an underground scene somewhere, but because a lot of people love it, it's getting more attention from the bashers.

true it does get more attention because of its popularity and in that sense it is bashed more because people talk about it more, but i'm sure all the same people would still have the same things to say about it if it wasn't the big thing of the moment...the fact that it has become that big thing just makes it even more disgusting...


and as i already said...it's not even a bad sound...it's just been beat to death...i'm sure some of the people bashing wouldn't have as much bad shit to say if EVERY TUNE didn't sound the same...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J How is it fresh? Electro is older than MIDI... Kraftwerk were doing it in the 70s, Bambaataa and Mantronik made it relevant again in the 80s- it's arguably the oldest style of electronic music still popular.

Of course, but that sound differs quite a bit from today's electro. Hell, I don't even like all of today's electro.

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Originally posted by Durrrtysouth Actually I am going on 10 years of listening to EDM and Trance. I was sucked into trance in 1993 when the cool thing was the UK breakbeat stuff with at annoying speeds. I found refuge in trance. Harfloor, Jam El Mar, Illuminate. I then evolved into the UK prog sound. Labels like Limbo, Deconstruction, Hardhands. From there I became a Sasha & Digweed fan. Northern exposure with its beautiful soundscapes opened me up to a much more peaceful sound of EDM. As Sasha & Digweed started getting deeper, I followed along too. After Communicate" I think they peeked for me. Instead of going musical again, at that point they became too deep for my tastes. I was frustrated with prog/trance for about 2 years. And then I heard Markus Schulz. For me he Continued where Sasha & Digweed left me at 2 years earlier.

I apologize, and stand corrected.

Though I feel the arguments against American prog still stand.

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Originally posted by Ory If anyone's wondering why I like electro, it's for the same reason I like other genres. I find it fresh and innovative from what I've heard, but that doesn't mean that in the deep, deep underground it isn't overplayed. When I myself get sick of it, I'll leave it.

No u must have like it because it's innovative/creative/fresh/not overplayed/underground/complicated. That's the definition of quality. Follow this formula and u'll never go wrong. Never be yourself, have a good taste in music.

*Oops, I woke up

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Originally posted by Cobalt I apologize, and stand corrected. Though I feel the arguments against American prog still stand.

In the end, it's a matter of opinion. Which is why this thread has, all in all, been a total waste of time.

One thing that i completely disagree with what Ory has been saying is that if you listen to shitty music (admitting that there is objectivity in classifying music as "shitty", when there isn't), you don't necessarily "suck". People have the right to listen to whatever the fuck they want, for whatever reason they find it attractive to their ears. I've got several friends which listen to what i think is awful music, yet they're nice people, and I'm sure most if not all of you know people like that too.

Another thing, while i'm a big fan of "proper prog" and only rarely like the odd "mcprog" track, i still think there isn't huge differences in the level of creativity and originality between the two. I just happen to prefer one of those standarts, because somehow it sounds more "real" to me. Probably i'll grow out of it one day like i've grown out of cheesy eurodance, epic trance, etc, but right now it's still one of my favourite kinds of music, if not the favourite. But this is just something personal, it seems most of you disagree a lot with this as well.

And as for electro, Sasha jumped on the bandwagon pushing quite some people into it... I love it as well tho

the answer is don't just listen to one genre, but listen to the best of each genre...

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Originally posted by Plastick No u must have like it because it's innovative/creative/fresh/not overplayed/underground/complicated. That's the definition of quality. Follow this formula and u'll never go wrong. Never be yourself, have a good taste in music. *Oops, I woke up

I never said that. I even pointed out that only part of the music I find in not-so obvious ways is good.

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Originally posted by paranoik0

I retract my statement about the person "sucking", but I still think their tastes suck. I'm usually the sweetest most caring guy in the world, but I'm a complete fucking asshole when it comes to music.

Jesus-fucking-Christ. I come back a day later and what do I see? This thread grows exponentially. All the points have been addressed and people still keep going in circles and ignoring them. Reminds me of a slight modification to a straw-man fallacy. I already addressed all the points needed. Some of us, more rational people tried to turn it into somewhat decent thread, where people would not act like 16-year-olds, who think that they are so-right and when people point out their wrongs, they start ad hominem attacks. Looks like it is impossible. I'll let the stupidity of this thread consume itself, I am done.

P.S. This is definitely COR material. It does not belong here.

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Originally posted by Az I was waiting for this one, a true sign that someones defeated, the "do better yourself" argument pathetic

lol, i awas just curious because i think its a shame how full of hate towards some producers you are when your not even a producer yourself. i think the "do better yourself" argument is quite relevant

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle lol, i awas just curious because i think its a shame how full of hate towards some producers you are when your not even a producer yourself. i think the "do better yourself" argument is quite relevant

So you like every song ever made, because you can't do any better? That's a shit argument if ever there was one.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J In the end, it's a matter of opinion. Which is why this thread has, all in all, been a total waste of time.

Opinion and taste has to do with it, yes. But it's not only a matter of opinion. Otherwise there would be no distinguishing Brian Eno from Yanni, no difference in quality between Sasha and Lasgo. That's patently false. Because there is some measure of quality independent of opinion alone.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J So you like every song ever made, because you can't do any better? That's a shit argument if ever there was one.

Yeah, let's only post nice opinions about tracks and producers. Happy, happy, happy! ^_^ ^_^

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