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15 games up. i think the white flags are flying across the AL Central.


anyone hear the rumors that griffey is going to go on waivers?

You can't place asterisks next to his stats... Why do people always say that?

bret boone once again got dumped LOL

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Originally posted by trunks1022 bret boone once again got dumped LOL

i wonder if he cried like when seattle dumped him.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 You can't place asterisks next to his stats... Why do people always say that?

They used to have an asterisk next to Roger Maris' record of 61 HR's because it came in more games than Babe Ruth. They later took it out. But I think in these cases it's more of a mental asterisk about the records.

Bret Boone was DEFINITELY on the juice!! He hasn't strutted the show boating HR swing in awhile... too bad.

Ryan Franklin today busted for doing the juice. Wow... just think if he didn't have it.. the guy is 6-11 with a 4.61 ERA this year. Yikes!!

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Originally posted by Member of X They used to have an asterisk next to Roger Maris' record of 61 HR's because it came in more games than Babe Ruth. They later took it out. But I think in these cases it's more of a mental asterisk about the records. Bret Boone was DEFINITELY on the juice!! He hasn't strutted the show boating HR swing in awhile... too bad.

I know about Maris' asterisk. But... it can't be proven that these guys 'cheated' back when they compiled their numbers. Plus, it wasn't against MLB rules back then. When Bonds hit 73, it was perfectly legal.

Not to mention that if they get asterisk'd, then players like Cy Young and Eddie Ciccotte's stats should be asterisk'd as well for using shine/spit/scuff balls. They were legal while they were using them, but then became illegal. Same with Satchel Paige's hesitation pitch.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 I know about Maris' asterisk. But... it can't be proven that these guys 'cheated' back when they compiled their numbers. Plus, it wasn't against MLB rules back then. When Bonds hit 73, it was perfectly legal. Not to mention that if they get asterisk'd, then players like Cy Young and Eddie Ciccotte's stats should be asterisk'd as well for using shine/spit/scuff balls. They were legal while they were using them, but then became illegal. Same with Satchel Paige's hesitation pitch.

And Gaylord Perry's spitball. I agree you can never say for certain when they were using them, etc. It's arbitrary to whom gets an asterisk (how could one really decide) meaning it would never happen or should happen. But I think that the home run records by Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are at least severly tainted and people like me won't consider them true. That's my mental asterisk. Obviously you can't go back in time and test them anyway. There's no proof.

I get ya, I'm not disagreeing here.

By the way, Jim Thome on the juice?

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Originally posted by Member of X And Gaylord Perry's spitball. I agree you can never say for certain when they were using them, etc. It's arbitrary to whom gets an asterisk (how could one really decide) meaning it would never happen or should happen. But I think that the home run records by Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa are at least severly tainted and people like me won't consider them true. That's my mental asterisk. Obviously you can't go back in time and test them anyway. There's no proof. I get ya, I'm not disagreeing here. By the way, Jim Thome on the juice?

I wouldn't be surprised. Not many people would surprise me, to be honest.

But, personally, steroids or no steroids, Barry Bonds is the best player of my generation. You're a little older so it may be different for you. But as far as players I was able to see play everyday, Bonds is the best. Better than Griffey in his prime, even. And I love Griffey.

what about Giambi? 14 homers in one month...his arms and neck are looking a little big again. I hope for his sake and mine as a Yankees fan, that he's still clean.

Giambi's actually a pretty decent guy when it comes down to it.

I like Giambi. But there is almost no doubt in my mind that he's doing something. Look at how terrible he was last year and early this year. Now, all of a sudden, he's hitting like he did in Oakland.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 I like Giambi. But there is almost no doubt in my mind that he's doing something. Look at how terrible he was last year and early this year. Now, all of a sudden, he's hitting like he did in Oakland.

I am convinced that he found a new undetectable brand of designer steroids. There's no way someone can improve their performance so much like he did under his circumstances.

anyone care to run down a list of players that are significantly smaller this year?

bret boone
sammy sosa
giambi (he admitted to it so no surprise)
ivan rodriguez (he looks like a little kid, they cant call him pudge anymore)
i havent gotten to see thome or helton a lot so i cant really comment on those guys.


and i dont get what your saying about steriods not being illegal? by law they are illegal and i think that trumps MLB rules. they just never tested for them because of the union or at least thats the excuse they gave. the sports guys are reporting that when congress comes back they are going to vote on a bill that would force professional athletes to adhere to the same guidelines as the IOC with the same penalties.

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Originally posted by jonze234 anyone care to run down a list of players that are significantly smaller this year? bret boone sammy sosa giambi (he admitted to it so no surprise) ivan rodriguez (he looks like a little kid, they cant call him pudge anymore) i havent gotten to see thome or helton a lot so i cant really comment on those guys. and i dont get what your saying about steriods not being illegal? by law they are illegal and i think that trumps MLB rules. they just never tested for them because of the union or at least thats the excuse they gave. the sports guys are reporting that when congress comes back they are going to vote on a bill that would force professional athletes to adhere to the same guidelines as the IOC with the same penalties.

luis gonzales
jeff bagwell
geoff jenkins

just to name a few .. maybe it's just age with these guys .. i don't know ..

but what about ryan franklin .. pitcher for the seattle mariners busted with the roids ? .. and his stats sucked too .. !! .. i guess the roids never helped this guy.

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Originally posted by jonze234 anyone care to run down a list of players that are significantly smaller this year? bret boone sammy sosa giambi (he admitted to it so no surprise) ivan rodriguez (he looks like a little kid, they cant call him pudge anymore) i havent gotten to see thome or helton a lot so i cant really comment on those guys. and i dont get what your saying about steriods not being illegal? by law they are illegal and i think that trumps MLB rules. they just never tested for them because of the union or at least thats the excuse they gave. the sports guys are reporting that when congress comes back they are going to vote on a bill that would force professional athletes to adhere to the same guidelines as the IOC with the same penalties.

According to BASEBALL rules, it was allowed. Which doesn't matter anyway, because it wasn't tested for. You can look at stats and make your own judgements, but there's no proof.

See what I don't get is why is Palmeiro only suspended for 10 days? I thought Selig was imposing a strict 50-day suspension for steroid abuse? I can't remember if that was a mandate or just a proposal.

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Originally posted by Mebot See what I don't get is why is Palmeiro only suspended for 10 days? I thought Selig was imposing a strict 50-day suspension for steroid abuse? I can't remember if that was a mandate or just a proposal.

I think he was only suggesting it. Any changes to the drug policy has to be agreed upon by the player's union as well as the owner's pupp...I mean commissioner .

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Originally posted by verndogs I think he was only suggesting it. Any changes to the drug policy has to be agreed upon by the player's union as well as the owner's pupp...I mean commissioner .

unless congress steps like the rumors suggest


did anyone else hear the guy on espn saying that the source that leaked the name of the steriod also suggested that palmeiro and franklin are the first in a long list of players to have their appeals heard. makes it sound like this is going to be a busy month for baseball.

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Originally posted by jonze234 did anyone else hear the guy on espn saying that the source that leaked the name of the steriod also suggested that palmeiro and franklin are the first in a long list of players to have their appeals heard. makes it sound like this is going to be a busy month for baseball.

yeah i heard about that.

and vern, good call, like i said i dont know if was enacted or just what selig proposed.

baltimore fires their manager lee mazzilli ..

who didn't see this coming ? .. baltimore is in a very tough situation right now .. being next to the d.c. capital, and in a very tough division with the yankees, red sox, devil rays, and blue jays ..

but everyone knew that sooner or later, baltimore would come back from cloud nine .

at least their cross city counter parts the washington nationals are making some kind of effort to make the playoffs .. and they're also in a tough division with the braves, mets, marlins, and phillies .

who wants to predict the orioles will finish last behind the devil rays when the season ends ?

yeah i was just about to post that.

wow.

at the rate they're going, they'll be dead last in all of MLB.

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Originally posted by Mebot yeah i was just about to post that. wow. at the rate they're going, they'll be dead last in all of MLB.

i think the orioles season will complete in it's entirity when sammy sosa fesses up with his "illegal roid use" in the past .. really .. we all know he did it, just like we all know pete rose gambled against his own team ..

we all know they did the wrongdoings .. now we wait for them to confess to their wrongdoings.

baltimore seems like a crappy organization right now. they've had a lot of injuries to key players this year (lopez and bedard to name a few). they didnt make any moves to help the team during that stretch. they didnt make any moves to better themselves before the deadline. they spent a lot of money to get a washed up sammy sosa. not to mention the palmeiro fiasco going on. i feel bad for mazzilli.

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Originally posted by jonze234 baltimore seems like a crappy organization right now. they've had a lot of injuries to key players this year (lopez and bedard to name a few). they didnt make any moves to help the team during that stretch. they didnt make any moves to better themselves before the deadline. they spent a lot of money to get a washed up sammy sosa. not to mention the palmeiro fiasco going on. i feel bad for mazzilli.

same goes for joe torre when this season ends. i don't think they're going to make the playoffs, especially with the red sox playing well, indians making a strong push for a wild card spot, and angels and a's playing well at the moment.

steinbrenner spending $200+ million dollars on his team, and getting nothing ? .. just like the redskins and dan snyder spending $100+ million dollars and producing nothing, and the knicks, lakers, and mavs spending mucho money and producing nothing.

teaches everyone a lesson. money doesn't produce championships.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch baltimore fires their manager lee mazzilli .. who didn't see this coming ? .. baltimore is in a very tough situation right now .. being next to the d.c. capital, and in a very tough division with the yankees, red sox, devil rays, and blue jays .. but everyone knew that sooner or later, baltimore would come back from cloud nine . at least their cross city counter parts the washington nationals are making some kind of effort to make the playoffs .. and they're also in a tough division with the braves, mets, marlins, and phillies . who wants to predict the orioles will finish last behind the devil rays when the season ends ?

I am pretty sure they wont finish last in AL East. Just because Rays will not gain much ground on them. I didnt see the Orioles plunge like this early on in the season, though I wasnt sure if they'd make the playoffs. I see the situation now.

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