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I wish the stewards had left it up to the team to deal with Hamilton and Alanso. They didn't put anybody in danger, didn't break any rules, just sabotaged themselves.

Race was boring of course. I watched the first 15 laps, then drifted away to Dreamsville.

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Originally posted by Orko I wish the stewards had left it up to the team to deal with Hamilton and Alanso. They didn't put anybody in danger, didn't break any rules, just sabotaged themselves.

Now FIA would penalise teams if one driver is allowed to go and pee before other driver of their team

If FIA intervenes like this in every matter, no team is going to like it

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Originally posted by Orko I wish the stewards had left it up to the team to deal with Hamilton and Alanso. They didn't put anybody in danger, didn't break any rules, just sabotaged themselves. Race was boring of course. I watched the first 15 laps, then drifted away to Dreamsville.

They treated it as any other driver impending an other driver, irrespective if they were teammates or not. Seems reasonable to prevent team orders by limiting an other driver which we have seen in the past.

About next race, I'm doing a wild guess that Massa will win it. Alonso, Kimi and Hamilton all have won 3 races this season so I suppose it's now Massa's turn. Seems very likely as the Ferrari's are faster than the Mclaren's on "normal" circuits like the upcomming tracks.

Ferraris were fast or atleast equal to Mclaren in Hungary too
Kimis fastest lap being so close to Hamilton proves that
I guess they have a performance problem in first few laps of fresh tyres

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Originally posted by Rahi Nikki Cox , Premium Clip! ...

Fuck you SPAM!

Kimi said he purposely made some space between his and Lewis's car on the last lap of the HUNGARY GP to see what he and his car were capable of. And he had the fastest lap of the race on the last lap

So that proves Ferrari had quiet a strong car. They need to imrpove their qualifying performance to make things a little bit easy for their drivers

Ferrari had bad tyre warming issues in the Hungaroring.. apparently it took a bunch of laps to get them to a reasonable temperature and pace.

I went to see BMW Sauber Pit Lane Park here in Warsaw. There were so many people waiting in line its not even funny, I got luck I only waited 1.5 hours and it was on a friday morning, others that came later or another day waited 4 hours

notice the jackass with the BMW body painting his little son/grandson had it too

the main attraction







Chris Pfeiffer was awesome ^

wow

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Originally posted by stren Chris Pfeiffer was awesome ^

yeah he's a complete nutter eh! I saw him at Goodwood, some of the stuff he does is just insane (did he do the stop with the handstand sideways off the bike? )



oh yeah, speaking of Goodwood apparently the videos came out crappy when i put them into photobucket, so I re-upped them to Youtube:







I've also got a stack of photos from when I managed to get into the Williams pit tent. You can get up real close to all the cars anyway there, but yeah it was special getting up right close to my favourite team

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter yeah he's a complete nutter eh! I saw him at Goodwood, some of the stuff he does is just insane (did he do the stop with the handstand sideways off the bike? )

you mean the front flip off the bike ? yeah he did that

Mclaren excluded from 2007 constructors championship + 100 million$ fine

I want to know, what have they done to deserve such a huge penalty

I hope its over this time

didn't really follow up on the situation, but how I understood it, one of McLaren's ex-enployees stole two dvd's from Ferrari with secret info on it. At first the FIA didn't succeed in proving this, ... apparently now they did

lol, clearly you didn't follow the situation.

$ 100 million is fucking massive. Their budget is reported to be around $ 400 million, so that's like paying 1/4 of next year's budget in penalty.

Holy crap, what a stinging blow to Mclaren.

out of the constructors championship because of this?!?!?! fuck man, and we were winning it

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Originally posted by Omega_M $ 100 million is fucking massive. Their budget is reported to be around $ 400 million, so that's like paying 1/4 of next year's budget in penalty. Holy crap, what a stinging blow to Mclaren.

100 million - minus whatever they earned in 2007 with all the constructor points

But then too, its a huge amount

FIA Findings

Very interesting read.

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Originally posted by MindShifter FIA Findings Very interesting read.

Thanks for posting that...good read.

I'm not really sure how much Dennis was involved. From what I read of the FIA paper, it didn't look like much and he must be pretty embarassed for the team. I'm honestly surprised that this went on for so long withing the team itself. It says more for Alonso and PDR's character that they're ok with scamming stuff from competitors. I thought they'd want to win clean. I guess not.

The championship is gone for the year and even if one of his drivers wins it, there will always be a Barry Bonds style asterisk in the record books.

edit: this was pmoisse posting

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Originally posted by Omega_M $ 100 million is fucking massive. Their budget is reported to be around $ 400 million, so that's like paying 1/4 of next year's budget in penalty. Holy crap, what a stinging blow to Mclaren.

I heard it was more towards 800 million

Anyway, it's alot of money but the punishmentcould'vebeen alot worse (banned for a couple of years).

Haha, crappy pitlane position for McL next year

I think that Alonso should bear some of the responsibility for the penalty. Maybe even exclusion from this year's championship.

He was obviously pushing to use the Ferrari information when he should have known it was against the sporting code.

PDR is just the tester, but he should be fined too.

I hope that neither of these drivers land another drive. That's just dirty pool.

actually i don't see this as such a huge problem. So what if one team happened to get information on another teams car.

I can't really get my thoughts down into writing to justify that, but I don't see why a team needs to be punished for this.




however, lets just wait for one moment.
At the start of the year Spyker launched action against STR and Super Aguri claiming they had customer cars. They presented detailed technical information trying to support their claims. Why was there no action taken against Spyker for possessing similar information?

Also Stepney and Coughlin went to Honda and Toyota, why is there no investigation into those two teams if they acquired any information from those two?

Finally, teams copy each others designs all the time and it has gone on forever. Look at Williams and their attached top flaps on the front wing, they started the season with them and now a couple of teams have them, while in the meantime they have moved on to a design identical to McLaren. So where is the line drawn between allowable copying and non-allowable copying?

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Originally posted by MindShifter FIA Findings Very interesting read.

Can someone quickly summarize the more salacious details of the report ?

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Originally posted by Omega_M Can someone quickly summarize the more salacious details of the report ?

Alonso and PDR were the ones pushing for testing of the Ferrari secrets on their cars. It's not said if any of this was used in testing.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter teams copy each others designs all the time and it has gone on forever. Look at Williams and their attached top flaps on the front wing, they started the season with them and now a couple of teams have them, while in the meantime they have moved on to a design identical to McLaren. So where is the line drawn between allowable copying and non-allowable copying?

If you have hard proof against a team, like a secret technical document from another team and email communication showing the intention to use it, then I guess the team is fucked. Bad luck.

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