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Posted by idoru on Mar-14-2009 22:46:

Posted by VictorJukov on Mar-14-2009 22:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I just think it's amusing that the most prolific Russian leaders haven't even been Russian. Catherine the Great was a mix of Polish and German, Stalin was Georgian, and Brezhnev was Ukrainian. The Russians don't realize it, but they've been dominated by their neighbors for centuries.

Brezhnev was an ethnic Russian. Stalin was half Ossetian. Ossetians are our brothers. Sadly for all his greatness, Stalin's weak Georgian side occasionally got in the way. If he had been fully Ossetian or Ossetian/Russian, I'm sure the Soviet Union would still be in existence today and you wouldn't be talking shit about Russia.

Posted by chimera66 on Mar-14-2009 23:02:

brezhnez = stagnation not exactly sure if he would be considered a good leader...stalin was a vile evil person if i were russian i wouldn't want him to be assciated with me. yes he centralized everything but at what costs? now i always wondered what would have been if stalin hadn't beaten trotsky bukharin zinoviev kamenev and the others to lead after lenin, he was by far the underdog...plus lenin didn't exactly like him nor pick him as a favorite.

Posted by VictorJukov on Mar-14-2009 23:11:

quote:
Originally posted by chimera66
stalin was a vile evil person ite.

I suggest you look up the definition of "vile" and "evil" in an English dictionary. It certainly does not fit the bill of a man who improved the lives of millions of people for centuries to come.

If the Soviet Union did not exist, the Nazis would probably have won as nobody in the west had the balls to stand up to them.

Posted by boris_the_bear on Mar-14-2009 23:11:

could everyone please stop feeding this ^^^ stupid fuckwit troll

Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Mar-14-2009 23:13:

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov
Brezhnev was an ethnic Russian. Stalin was half Ossetian. Ossetians are our brothers. Sadly for all his greatness, Stalin's weak Georgian side occasionally got in the way. If he had been fully Ossetian or Ossetian/Russian, I'm sure the Soviet Union would still be in existence today and you wouldn't be talking shit about Russia.

The Soviet Union had so much potential - a huge workforce, a decent industrial base, and resources up to their eyeballs. I guess the only thing left to blame for their epic failure in the Cold War is the resolve of the Russian people, eh, champ?

Posted by boris_the_bear on Mar-14-2009 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by boris_the_bear
could everyone please stop feeding this ^^^ stupid fuckwit troll

Posted by VictorJukov on Mar-14-2009 23:21:

ебем себе

Posted by chimera66 on Mar-14-2009 23:30:

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov
I suggest you look up the definition of "vile" and "evil" in an English dictionary. It certainly does not fit the bill of a man who improved the lives of millions of people for centuries to come.

If the Soviet Union did not exist, the Nazis would probably have won as nobody in the west had the balls to stand up to them.

you are clearly uneducated in stalinism, i find him to be one of the most interesting people in all history but that doesn't take away that he wasn't a good person.

also have you forgotten that the only reason the ussr fought the nazis was because hitler fucked stalin by going against their secret treaty? stalin was more than willing to sit around and let hitler exterminate people but he only gave a shit when the nazis invaded the ussr. obviously the nazis couldn't fight a two front war and hitler knew that hence the reason he got close to stalin right before. also, after the end of wwi i believe germany was forbidden to engage in military practices in germany but that didn't stop the soviets from sending them military aide to further their military education. seriously learn some damn history. i'm utterly fascinated with russian/soviet history which at times i think makes me a bit more sympathetic to russia then i should but i'm not delusional.

Posted by chimera66 on Mar-14-2009 23:30:

quote:
Originally posted by boris_the_bear

ok i'm done

Posted by rulzz on Mar-14-2009 23:34:

victor i'm sorry you're nationalistic moron stuck in your own notions of greatness of a country and spreading your stupid propaganda against common folk who have nothing to do with the crisis or gas theft or whatever you're trying to say they did.

go on join the army and kill every little braincell you have for nothing but what you were programmed for by your own historians,books, tv and other propoganda

read pelevin - generation P maybe you'll realize something some day i really really pray you do

Posted by VictorJukov on Mar-14-2009 23:35:

quote:
Originally posted by chimera66
you are clearly uneducated in stalinism, i find him to be one of the most interesting people in all history but that doesn't take away that he wasn't a good person.

also have you forgotten that the only reason the ussr fought the nazis was because hitler fucked stalin by going against their secret treaty? stalin was more than willing to sit around and let hitler exterminate people but he only gave a shit when the nazis invaded the ussr. obviously the nazis couldn't fight a two front war and hitler knew that hence the reason he got close to stalin right before. also, after the end of wwi i believe germany was forbidden to engage in military practices in germany but that didn't stop the soviets from sending them military aide to further their military education. seriously learn some damn history. i'm utterly fascinated with russian/soviet history which at times i think makes me a bit more sympathetic to russia then i should but i'm not delusional.

Hitler's genocide only came to light much later. Once Stalin realised what was going on, he wasn't going to take no shit from Hitler.

Anyone who thinks Stalin was a mass-murderer is delusional or has been indoctrinated by western propaganda. The people that died under Stalin all died for good reasons, unlike all the US soldiers and innocent Iraqis who've died in vain.

Posted by chimera66 on Mar-14-2009 23:43:

ok i lied one more thing...

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov
The people that died under Stalin all died for good reasons, unlike all the US soldiers and innocent Iraqis who've died in vain.

how do you explain stalin's forced starvation of the kulaks during the collectivization of farms in the ukraine? something you seen to have forgotten is stalin signed off on all these plans. he was very tight fisted and held onto his power with an iron fist, don't lie to yourself that he didn't know. you sound like those people who lived through his recklessness...if only uncle stalin knew he would let me out. sorry dude he knew and he didn't give a shit.

Posted by VictorJukov on Mar-15-2009 00:02:

quote:
Originally posted by chimera66
ok i lied one more thing...

how do you explain stalin's forced starvation of the kulaks during the collectivization of farms in the ukraine? something you seen to have forgotten is stalin signed off on all these plans. he was very tight fisted and held onto his power with an iron fist, don't lie to yourself that he didn't know. you sound like those people who lived through his recklessness...if only uncle stalin knew he would let me out. sorry dude he knew and he didn't give a shit.

They needed to be controlled. Starving them was an effective means of doing so.

Posted by jonSun on Mar-15-2009 00:11:

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov
I'm sure the Soviet Union would still be in existence today and you wouldn't be talking shit about Russia.

Where have you been? When in the last 100 years has Russia not been a depressed/oppressed shithole?

Posted by VictorJukov on Mar-15-2009 00:12:

quote:
Originally posted by jonSun
Where have you been? When in the last 100 years has Russia not been a depressed/oppressed shithole?

Where the fuck have you been? Watching FOX news propaganda?

Posted by Dervish on Mar-15-2009 00:16:

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov
They needed to be controlled. Starving them was an effective means of doing so.

Superb.

Posted by astroboy on Mar-15-2009 01:14:

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov
ебем себе

и кого же вы себе ебете?

Posted by mickeymarley on Mar-15-2009 01:23:

FUCKY FUCKY

Posted by jonSun on Mar-15-2009 04:17:

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov
Where the fuck have you been? Watching FOX news propaganda?

Nope not a fan of Fox at all.

and seriously, they place has & will prolly always be a shithole.

Posted by boris_the_bear on Mar-15-2009 10:21:

quote:
Originally posted by VictorJukov

since when does your mommy allow you to browse the internet?
p.s. tell her i said hi

quote:
Originally posted by jonSun

you're still using that silly avatar lol??

Posted by astroboy on Mar-15-2009 11:29:

ну виктор.. чего вы не отвечаете? кого (или что ) вы себе ебете? и вообще кто такие "вы"?

Posted by boris_the_bear on Mar-15-2009 21:15:

жопу он свою ебет и представляет, что это Шварцнеггер... ошибка природы. наверняка спиздил у мамы пароль для dial-up...

Posted by astroboy on Mar-15-2009 23:49:

quote:
Originally posted by boris_the_bear
жопу он свою ебет и представляет, что это Шварцнеггер... ошибка природы. наверняка спиздил у мамы пароль для dial-up...

lol.. я не как не догадаюсь чей это альт. он явно по русски не говорит.

Posted by boris_the_bear on Mar-16-2009 00:24:

..finish him111!!

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