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I'm really great with kids and have come to like them more as I get older, but I doubt I want any. Life is too short and the world is too big to settle in one place and attempt to teach another human being how to live life for 20+ years. Wouldn't even consider children until I was at least 35 or 40. Maybe even later than that, if at all..

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Yes, now you can live in abject poverty until age 60 in a lot of countries, and with lower infant mortality rates, already overpopulated nations with diminishing resources are free to continue to blossom unabated - viva globalisation! And it's Mr. Cockfag to you, cvntknuckle.

just sayin, Mr. Cockfag, that your earlier comment re: "Western vantage" is invalid, because the family unit is valued in the East and all over the world, regardless of resource scarcity. There may be a policy to limit children per household, but having a child is a foregone conclusion.

I think it's you that needs to get off your fucked up, "I'm a selfish prick from the West and I want to keep as many resources for myself" vantage

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Originally posted by fayraree There may be a policy to limit children per household, but having a child is a foregone conclusion.

You forgot the part about how anyone who makes a conscious decision to not have children must be a cocksucking commie bastard, mouthbreather. By all means, be fruitful and multiply wit' yo forgone concluding bad self.

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Originally posted by fayraree I think it's you that needs to get off your fucked up, "I'm a selfish prick from the West and I want to keep as many resources for myself" vantage

Out of which heretofore unexplored quadrant of thin air did you pick this gem?

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Originally posted by Blake I'm really great with kids and have come to like them more as I get older, but I doubt I want any. Life is too short and the world is too big to settle in one place and attempt to teach another human being how to live life for 20+ years. Wouldn't even consider children until I was at least 35 or 40. Maybe even later than that, if at all..

Wait, life is too short to have children? That seems really counter-intuitive. You should want to have children because life is too short not to. Not that I'm specifically telling you what you should want in life, but a genetic transmission is one of those paramount things that gives life fulfillment - not enjoyment in the typical, hedonistic sense, but true fulfillment that what you've done is meaningful both to yourself and your prospective lineage.

rabbits are very meaningful

Too bad your mother won't let you keep them.

have you always been a pompous ass or did you have to work at it?

fruit flies are even more meaningful

No, not always. Remember that time I laughed at one of your posts back in January? I thought that meant something between us!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Wait, life is too short to have children? That seems really counter-intuitive. You should want to have children because life is too short not to. Not that I'm specifically telling you what you should want in life, but a genetic transmission is one of those paramount things that gives life fulfillment - not enjoyment in the typical, hedonistic sense, but true fulfillment that what you've done is meaningful both to yourself and your prospective lineage.

Such small meaning is fitting for small people.

All people are small before time.

Spoken like a true dwarf.

Humans only think time is important because they invented it

I don't believe in midgets.

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Originally posted by Lews Humans only think time is important because they invented it

Well as with most things, it's both an abstraction and an observation. There is the phenomenon of time as in dilation or contraction, but then there is merely the measurement of movement and cohesion as per other observable forces interacting with one another. Our arbitrary units reducible to a cesium atom seem to work ok for things like consensus in government, though people's perceptions of this will obviously vary depending on their state of consciousness, yet another variable seemingly dictated by environment and chemistry.

Where time becomes important, as though it were a location, is the when of one's goals are to be achieved to produce the most favourable results. I suppose you could sum this up with something as kitschy as "life goals", but the fulfillment of physical directives seems to take priority upon, yet again, environmental and chemical interactions we have ascribed confirmatory response towards, an infinitely binary form of reasoning that easily trumps all the philosophies and religions that our brief slip on a lonely rock have thusfar indicated. That is to say, who needs a bible when you're hungry? No wait, don't answer that, there's too much personal inference involved.

Time as we would know it is faith contracted between each individual consciousness in an effort to produce. The product could be any variety of things, biological urge at the forefront of most endeavors, but proximity be it social or physical is the glue holding our time together, and it's every bit as real as it is ephemeral. A sense of time is like meaning condensed to the precipitation of events which by faith will proceed our conscious existence - what better way to ensure this transmits than to dive dick-first into the frothy ethers of the genetic deep-end?

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Originally posted by jennypie It's interesting that you always hear(ok, I always hear) a lot of self-proclaimed intelligent people saying they don't want to have kids, citing reasons like focusing on career and the pursuit of independence, thinking that they've evolved beyond the "need" to procreate. But if you think about it, that's a pretty bad move - because if all of these intelligent people don't have kids, the only people left populating the Earth are the stupid/ignorant.

If you're incapable of having a very succesful career and raising your own kids too, then maybe you're not all that intelligent after all.

Say that to them. I do and it gets them pretty fucking riled up because they know it's true so it hurts

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Out of which heretofore unexplored quadrant of thin air did you pick this gem?

if you stop trying so hard, you might come up with a meaningful thought.

*might*

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Originally posted by PivotTechno Moreso than ever, given our ever-increasing population. Makes the conscious choice to bear young sound really enticing, and is about as valid an argument, as "that couple has 7 kids, so what difference does it make if I have one or two?"

I'm not really sure what your argument is. Do you actually think the world's going to be shit for your children, or there'll be some sort of collapse of society? Why bring up an idealised view of pre-industrial society, or talk about whether it's better to be human now?

Are you claiming that the future is going to be materially tough, or spiritually tough?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, not always. Remember that time I laughed at one of your posts back in January? I thought that meant something between us!

doesn't surprise me, after all, reference librarians aren't known for their sense of humor

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Originally posted by Fledz If you're incapable of having a very succesful career and raising your own kids too, then maybe you're not all that intelligent after all. Say that to them. I do and it gets them pretty fucking riled up because they know it's true so it hurts

Oh shit, true! *writes it down*

i think ppl who have children often try to correct the wrongs of their childhood through their kids and end up spoiling them in the process. its important to do it for the right reasons.

I'd like to have children, but its a big responsibility that I don't take lightly, its such a scary and awesome challenge to take on. I'm in a much better position as far as maturity and growth now, I can't imagine what a bad job I would have done if I was a parent in my early 20's.

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Originally posted by fayraree if you stop trying so hard, you might come up with a meaningful thought. *might*

On the topic of non-sequitur, I just received my prizes from DJ Bone's "What Is Music" contest. Included a signed, coloured wax 2 x 12" of SD034 - Music Remixes - 2 jacket patches and an extra 12" produced by Bone's 12-year old kid, Aleckxis Jaina with the flipside featuring producer Rennie Foster's 2 young 'uns, who go by the moniker The Foster Kidz. The Foster Kidz single "Butterscotch" is a pretty jazzy affair, and has some great samples of the kids saying "I like butterscotch!" at the intro.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm not really sure what your argument is.

An argument would imply that I'm trying to win something.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Are you claiming that the future is going to be materially tough, or spiritually tough?

I can't lay claim to something that has yet to happen (or not happen).

As mentioned well back in this thread, my primary reason for not wanting to have kids is my feeling that I would probably end up foisting too many of my own unresolved issues upon their impressionable little selves. Knowing the resentment I feel toward my own parents for having done the same to me, I decided it would be wise to not pass on that particular multigenerational legacy, as the last thing the world needs is another emotionally hobbled child who spends a large portion of his adult life trying to strip away layers of unbidden, unconscious conditioning.

But that's just me.

For some reason, several people chose to (often irately) focus on my second reason. Perhaps due to some niggling twinge of guilt at the thought that yes, maybe we as a species (also implying a certain level of individual responsibility) haven't exactly done a cracking job of leaving adequate resources on the planet for generations to follow.

Either way, your future message-board inhabiting offspring won't have to worry about my non-existent ones annoying them like a nagging fibreglass splinter, so all is truly as it should be in the world, give or take a few.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno An argument would imply that I'm trying to win something.

Not necessarily: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/argument

"a process of reasoning; series of reasons"
"a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point"

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...haven't exactly done a cracking job of leaving adequate resources on the planet for generations to follow.

So an old-fashioned doomsday scenario, then.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Not necessarily: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/argument "a process of reasoning; series of reasons" "a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point"

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J So an old-fashioned doomsday scenario, then.

I don't recall past famines, economic collapses and other such dilemma that brought misery to a large number of people in a short period of time being referred to as "doomsday scenarios"...but, whatever suits.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno I don't recall past famines, economic collapses and other such dilemma that brought misery to a large number of people in a short period of time being referred to as "doomsday scenarios"...but, whatever suits.

I thought the whole idea was that the future is going to be worse than the past?

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