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No one is saying it doesn't have a negative impact

Seriously, we're talking about the lesser of two evils here. It's painfully obvious that you're just arguing for the sake of arguing now, CD. Shut the fuck up.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You guys are arguing not only against me but hundreds, thousands probably, of different studies that show that suicide has a negative impact on families and social structures. To deny this is to deny the very fabric of western society.

All that does it validate that Western societies are stuck attaching religious morality to actions that really should have nothing to do with such judgement.

Any kind of tragic loss has a negative impact on families and social structures ffs.

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Originally posted by jennypie All that does it validate that Western societies are stuck attaching religious morality to actions that really should have nothing to do with such judgement. Any kind of tragic loss has a negative impact on families and social structures ffs.

So you agree a suicide is a tragic loss?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby So you agree a suicide is a tragic loss?

No one is disputing that!

You agree that it is selfish? I mean explain how suicide is a selfless act. If its not selfish than it is selfless and I have no idea how you can justify it as being selfless.

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Originally posted by Lira No one is disputing that!

Speak for yourself!

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You agree that it is selfish? I mean explain how suicide is a selfless act. If its not selfish than it is selfless and I have no idea how you can justify it as being selfless.

Excuse me, I've got a dead horse out back that I'm gonna go beat for a few minutes. Would anybody else like to join me?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You agree that it is selfish? I mean explain how suicide is a selfless act. If its not selfish than it is selfless and I have no idea how you can justify it as being selfless.

It's fucking irrelevant, either way.

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Originally posted by idoru Excuse me, I've got a dead horse out back that I'm gonna go beat for a few minutes. Would anybody else like to join me?

WHY YES!

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Originally posted by Arbiter Speak for yourself!

Sorry, I forgot about you

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You agree that it is selfish? I mean explain how suicide is a selfless act. If its not selfish than it is selfless and I have no idea how you can justify it as being selfless.

It's not so black and white: we're not talking here about something being either selfish or selfless, it's much more profound than that!

The most profound thing Nou has ever done is take a shit. Why should we be surprised that he's not getting this?

OK cause last time I checked I was arguing two things.

1. Suicide is tragic and affects people around the person who does it.
2. Suicide is selfish, inherently selfish because of the above, and because in the end the only true benefactor is the dead person.

Just making sure we are all the same topic here.

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Originally posted by Lira It's not so black and white: we're not talking here about something being either selfish or selfless, it's much more profound than that!

How is it more profound. Maybe if killing themselves saved another life, the yes, that is not selfish suicide. It is still tragic, but its not selfish.

If the only one getting the benefit is the person killing themselves then that is selfish.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby OK cause last time I checked I was arguing two things. 1. Suicide is tragic and affects people around the person who does it. 2. Suicide is selfish, inherently selfish because of the above, and because in the end the only true benefactor is the dead person. Just making sure we are all the same topic here.

We agree with #1, but #2 does not follow from that.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby OK cause last time I checked I was arguing two things. 1. Suicide is tragic and affects people around the person who does it. 2. Suicide is selfish, inherently selfish because of the above, and because in the end the only true benefactor is the dead person. Just making sure we are all the same topic here.

LOL! Not at all!! Jesus fucking christ, I'm going to bed.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby People killing themselves over BS pussy shit like "ohh my GF broke up with me" is about as fucking sad and pathetic as you can get.

dude aren't you a virgin?

either way each sentence you type shows how god damn naive you are

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby in the end the only true benefactor is the dead person.

That seems implausible. For example, if just a few thousand Floridians had killed themselves a decade or so ago, American society might have benefitted to the tune of a couple of trillion dollars, and many more people the world over might not have had to endure the death of loved ones.

Everything is connected; our lives affect more people than we can imagine, often adversely. It seems to me to be a rather bold claim that there is no individual in the entire world for whom the net utility produced by their death would be positive.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby To deny this is to deny the very fabric of western society.

LOL, the sanctimony... how can someone's head be that far up their ass

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby How is it more profound.

It's the choice to end your own life, i.e. to give up everything you have, all you've ever had, and anything you could possibly ever have. Your relation to other is immediately shut when you're dealing with this: unless someone else's survival depends on you, this is the greatest decision you could ever make, and nothing - absolutely nothing - compares to that.

To even compare this with the happiness of others is so out of scale that if someone else thinks their happiness is more important than someone else's decision to end their existence, this is not a matter of being selfish or selfless, but sheer cruelty.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby 2. Suicide is selfish, inherently selfish because of the above, and because in the end the only true benefactor is the dead person.

Yeah. It's a good thing Hitler didn't commit suicide earlier. That would have been fucking selfish of him

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah. It's a good thing Hitler didn't commit suicide earlier. That would have been fucking selfish of him

Why, yes, he wouldn't have married Eva Braun. Someone please think of her!

(ps.: Godwin's law, the thread is over)

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Originally posted by Lira (ps.: Godwin's law, the thread is over)

To be fair, it's fairly impressive that we made it this long.

It is indeed, indeed it is...

Sorry guys, but someone had to end this thing.

Though, to be fair, Godwin's Law does allow for non-fallacious uses of Nazi comparisons, and I think mine was valid

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