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Originally posted by srussell0018 Sounds like England's football team, although this is probably just a rumor. Either way, the Lakers still haven't found a way to stop Dirk, most likely because they can't. If I had to build a team around anybody right now it would probably either be Lebron or Dirk.

Dirk!? Yeah cuz who doesn't want to build a new team around a 32 year old scorer with a history of not showing up in the playoffs (till this year) who plays mediocre defense and has maybe 2 good years left?? He's playing awesome right now but that's the dumbest statement you've made thus far. You wouldn't go with Rose or Chris Paul or Dwight Howard as that other choice??

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Originally posted by The17sss Dirk!? Yeah cuz who doesn't want to build a new team around a 32 year old scorer with a history of not showing up in the playoffs (till this year) who plays mediocre defense and has maybe 2 good years left?? He's playing awesome right now but that's the dumbest statement you've made thus far. You wouldn't go with Rose or Chris Paul or Dwight Howard as that other choice??

Definitely not a point guard. Dwight Howard is fairly useless outside of like 6 feet. You're saying you wouldn't rather have a 7 footer who shoots 88% from the line and nearly 40% from 3? His career numbers speak for themselves, and he's showing right now (which is why I said "right now") that he's one of the top 5 players in the NBA. It doesn't really matter if he plays "mediocre" defense (which is a stretch to say) because nobody can guard him. And if "not showing up in the playoffs" means career averages of 25.7 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 88% from the line and 38% from 3, then yes, I would absolutely love to have him on my team in the playoffs. Oh, and he's also averaged 57% from 3 twice in the playoffs before this year. Your precious Ray Allen never has never averaged higher than 47%.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Definitely not a point guard. Dwight Howard is fairly useless outside of like 6 feet. You're saying you wouldn't rather have a 7 footer who shoots 88% from the line and nearly 40% from 3? His career numbers speak for themselves, and he's showing right now (which is why I said "right now") that he's one of the top 5 players in the NBA. It doesn't really matter if he plays "mediocre" defense (which is a stretch to say) because nobody can guard him. And if "not showing up in the playoffs" means career averages of 25.7 PPG, 10.7 RPG, 88% from the line and 38% from 3, then yes, I would absolutely love to have him on my team in the playoffs. Oh, and he's also averaged 57% from 3 twice in the playoffs before this year. Your precious Ray Allen never has never averaged higher than 47%.

Don't be a stat nerd. Kobe also averages 28% on last second game winning shots in his career... you want to tell me you still don't want the ball in his hands at the end of a game? It's a point guard's league now man... ever since they changed the hand-check rule like 6 or 7 years ago we've seen the rise of teams with great point guards take over. Tell me right now what NBA general manager would take Dirk over Dwight Howard, CP3, Derron Williams, or Derrick Rose to start a new team.

Lol that's why I'm not an NBA manager. I'd still take Dirk over any of them. None of the guards you listed are your "typical" NBA point guard though. They're exceptions to the norm. Just like Dirk is an exception to the norm of a 4/5.

The only other player I might take over Dirk is Lebron.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Lol that's why I'm not an NBA manager. I'd still take Dirk over any of them. None of the guards you listed are your "typical" NBA point guard though. They're exceptions to the norm. Just like Dirk is an exception to the norm of a 4/5. The only other player I might take over Dirk is Lebron.

lol.... anyone else around here agree with this guy!?

dirk can spell words.

take dirk.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay dirk can spell words. take dirk.

Also a very good point.

What do D Rose and Dirk have in common?



Neither one of them took the SATs.

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Originally posted by The17sss Don't be a stat nerd. Kobe also averages 28% on last second game winning shots in his career... you want to tell me you still don't want the ball in his hands at the end of a game? It's a point guard's league now man... ever since they changed the hand-check rule like 6 or 7 years ago we've seen the rise of teams with great point guards take over. Tell me right now what NBA general manager would take Dirk over Dwight Howard, CP3, Derron Williams, or Derrick Rose to start a new team.

No, it's not. Name me the last point guard to lead a team to a ring?? Magic fucking Johnson and that's because he is one of the greatest of all time. Lakers repeated with a skeleton at PG. Celtics rang with a strong defensive frontline. Miami with Wade going bonkers. Spurs with Duncan in his prime and so on and so on. Don't blame Dirk for having a shit team most of his career. Dallas are about to sweep the 2 time defending champs with 38 year old Jason Kidd at point. PG is one of the most overrated positions when it comes to playoff basketball.

Unless Bulls play complete defensive schemes for 4 quarters against Miami, Heat will win in 6. Let Rose go for 30 a game. Or hell, they could put Wade on Rose since Bogans is a complete non factor on offense. Rose will HAVE to average 10+ assists per game to open his team up since Miami is playing some elite defense right now.

Life couldn't be better then FINALLY seeing a different Finals this year. And to think Lakers won't even get out of the second round is icing on the cake.

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NO DJ MBENGA = NO CHAMPIONSHIP

let's go memphis

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Originally posted by The17sss lol.... anyone else around here agree with this guy!?

I agree with everything other than the taking Dirk over everyone else part.

Unless we're talking starting from scratch and DRAFTING the guy whilst knowing how each develops, I can't see how anyone would take a 32 year old over a <25 year old to build a team from scratch. It defies logic.

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Originally posted by Burn Notice No, it's not. Name me the last point guard to lead a team to a ring?? Magic fucking Johnson and that's because he is one of the greatest of all time. Lakers repeated with a skeleton at PG. Celtics rang with a strong defensive frontline. Miami with Wade going bonkers. Spurs with Duncan in his prime and so on and so on. Don't blame Dirk for having a shit team most of his career. Dallas are about to sweep the 2 time defending champs with 38 year old Jason Kidd at point. PG is one of the most overrated positions when it comes to playoff basketball.

11 strait years of 50+ win seasons and making the playoffs. Real shit teams in Dallas there.

I do blame Dirk because this is the first year he has shown up in the playoffs for more than 1 or 2 games. But let's go by your theory... take an average garden variety point guard like Mario Chalmers. You think the Spurs win those last 3 titles if you replace Tony Parker with him? Hell no. You think Boston wins in 2008 with Chalmers instead of Rondo? The Celts aging big 3 even acknowledge no Rondo = no title. You think it's a coincidence that a Chauncey Billups lead team went to the conference finals 7 strait years? The Bulls are in this position now with Mario Chalmers at PG instead of Rose... with Joakim Noah and Loul Deng as the supporting cast!? LMAO!

You can use the example of the Heat now and the Lakers without a great point guard but take a closer look. LA had uber hall of fame superstars Shaq and Kobe in their prime! You could have those 2 with three high school players and they would have still won. Then Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and Bynum... plenty to make up for the lack of depth at point guard. And with Miami today, same thing- they are an exception because they have 2 mega superstars in their prime. Unless you have some outlandish situation like that with multiple in-their-prime hall of famers, you aren't doing shit without an exceptionally well played PG position.

I'm just saying if I wanted to win a championship now I'd take Dirk over any of those other players in a heartbeat. A 7 footer who can shoot like he can is nearly unstoppable.

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Originally posted by The17sss You can use the example of the Heat now and the Lakers without a great point guard but take a closer look. LA had uber hall of fame superstars Shaq and Kobe in their prime! You could have those 2 with three high school players and they would have still won. Then Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and Bynum... plenty to make up for the lack of depth at point guard. And with Miami today, same thing- they are an exception because they have 2 mega superstars in their prime. Unless you have some outlandish situation like that with multiple in-their-prime hall of famers, you aren't doing shit without an exceptionally well played PG position.

Jason Kidd?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Jason Kidd?

Dallas hasn't won anything yet... this is just the 2nd round of the playoffs. And did he not take New Jersey to the NBA finals 2 years in a row in 2002-2003?

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Originally posted by The17sss Dallas still hasn't won anything yet... this is just the 2nd round of the playoffs. And did he not take New Jersey to the NBA finals 2 years in a row in 2002-2003?

So your argument is that he was good 8 years ago?

The Mavs are also about to knock the previous 2 years' NBA Champions out of the playoffs too in case you haven't noticed. The team that many picked to win it again this year.

Regardless, Dirk is a better player than all of the people you listed any way you want to put it. Put any of those other players on the Mavs and this series would probably be 3-0 Lakers, if they even made it this far.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 So your argument is that he was good 8 years ago? The Mavs are also about to knock the previous 2 years' NBA Champions out of the playoffs too in case you haven't noticed. The team that many picked to win it again this year. Regardless, Dirk is a better player than all of the people you listed any way you want to put it. Put any of those other players on the Mavs and this series would probably be 3-0 Lakers, if they even made it this far.

No, my argument is that you're not going to reach the promised land without an exceptional point guard +, or 2+ hall of fame superstars in their prime.

I'm not surprised at LA's faltering... why are you? Did you not watch the 2nd half of this season? They are aging fast, and even last year they needed a miracle last second tip in from Gasol to escape Oklahoma City taking them to a game 7. They needed a last minute comeback against Boston in game 7 of the finals to win, when Boston's starting center blew his knee out in game 6.

I'm not saying Dirk isn't a great player, but you can't do it with just 1. Someone needs to distribute the rock to him. I just can't believe how hard you're blowing him when he has never even made it to the NBA finals and is known for not showing up in crunch time.

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Originally posted by The17sss I just can't believe how hard you're blowing him when he has never even made it to the NBA finals and is known for not showing up in crunch time.

Actually, the Mavs were in the finals in 2006 and went up 2-0 before D Wade went crazy. They also beat the 1 seed Spurs as a 4 seed in 7 games in the Conference Semis, and the 2 seed Suns (with a hall of fame PG who was also MVP that year) in the Conference Finals in 6, and Nowitzki was also all NBA first team that year. I hardly consider beating the top 2 teams from the West, and then losing to a team that had Shaq and D wade "not showing up."

The year after that he lead an average Mavs team to 67 wins, while winning the league MVP himself. Argue all you want, the guy's numbers speak for themselves.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Actually, the Mavs were in the finals in 2006 and went up 2-0 before D Wade went crazy. They also beat the 1 seed Spurs as a 4 seed in 7 games in the Conference Semis, and the 2 seed Suns (with a hall of fame PG who was also MVP that year) in the Conference Finals in 6, and Nowitzki was also all NBA first team that year. I hardly consider beating the top 2 teams from the West, and then losing to a team that had Shaq and D wade "not showing up." The year after that he lead an average Mavs team to 67 wins, while winning the league MVP himself. Argue all you want, the guy's numbers speak for themselves.

yeah you're right... I forgot that monumental collapse was in the finals vs. the Heat and not the western conference finals. So what if he won the MVP in 2007... what did he get for it? A first round playoff exit to the 8th seed when Dallas was the number 1 seed! Where was Dirk the Conqueror then? Forgot to mention that, eh?

At any rate, like I said by no means am I saying Dirk is not a great player. I love his game. My argument isn't against his greatness or the fact that he's a damn near impossible matchup. I just think its absurd to say that even if he is great, that you would choose him at age 32 over a lot of other people in their prime to build a team around.

is going on in here

David Robinson won his first championship when he was 34. Just because one guy is 26, and one guy is 32, doesn't mean the younger player is better or more valuable. When Shaq and Kobe won their rings in 2000, 2001, and 2002, most people would have agreed that they'd rather have Shaq than Kobe, even though Shaq was 7 years older. Many people still deem Kobe to be one of the best, if not the best player in the NBA, and he's 32 as well.

You said Dirk doesn't show up in the playoffs. He's proving you wrong right now, and if you look at his career playoff statistics, he's been proving you wrong all along.

westbrook needs new shoes

what a fucking team. jesus, renzo said it best, all heart from that memphis team. no matter where they give their best. memphis is hungry to the max

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Originally posted by srussell0018 When Shaq and Kobe won their rings in 2000, 2001, and 2002, most people would have agreed that they'd rather have Shaq than Kobe, even though Shaq was 7 years older.

Huh? Most people? Yeah that's why his own team chose to retain Kobe and let him go in 2004.

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Many people still deem Kobe to be one of the best, if not the best player in the NBA, and he's 32 as well.

He's 32, but he has played so many playoff games that he has an extra 3 seasons worth of wear and tear on his legs compared to Dirk... not including 2 runs at the Olympics too. People wouldn't choose Kobe as even a top 5 choice to build a team around right now, even though he is still great.

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You said Dirk doesn't show up in the playoffs. He's proving you wrong right now, and if you look at his career playoff statistics, he's been proving you wrong all along.

So what about the 10 playoff years before this one when he didn't show up? Stop sweeping that under the rug. Yeah, wow... Dirk's making me eat a big plate of crow right now because he's tearing up an old ass Laker team in the 2nd round that could barely beat New Orleans with their 2nd best player David West out of that series. Dude stop trying to flex your NBA knowledge on everyone in here. You keep failing to take perspective and history into consideration with your arguments, and rely too heavily on stats.

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