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You guys are glossing over the best part of the article though. They found three nano-sized particles, so CLEARLY military-grade thermite was present in large quantities throughout the tower!

Wrong they found nano sized thermite in a sample of debris. The rest of the debris was quietly shipped away overseas for melting very quickly. Which by the way is a crime, a crime committed by the government. I already know you guys think they are not guilty of this either so do not bother replying to this message, keep believing in fairy tales.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Why, the 250 Dominican construction workers employed by Jeb Bush's company, of course! The government selected them to work for Jeb Bush because they can't speak English. Muahahaha the secret is safe!

Actually a very small number of people can carry tons of material into a building and install it also. They actually had all the time in the world with the power downs to do this but no one wants to question or look into it as always. Yes it is very suspicious but you can always feel safe believing Bush's word, we all know how the family track record is with this one.

I do not expect you to know how to calculate the numbers but after all you are the one spamming pictures of harry potter and expecting to be taken seriously.

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Had they found a nanosized US ARMY logo on the fleck, then i would say that you had something, or your photoshop skillz were L337.... but alas they didnt.

That is the perfect example of why you and people like you can never believe in anything else then what popular science or the media tells you.

The point is what they found was not supposed to be there at all. If you are such a smart engineer why not show everyone how easy it is to find this stuff in other debris from other building collapses instead of mocking eight different scientists who have a hell of a lot more experience and brains then you do.

When a bridge collapsed in Cali you were quick to jump on the fact that it resembled the trade towers collapses but it did not resemble anything like the controlled demo of the towers at all. Then you moved on to thermal expansion because of NIST's failure of a paper and compared it to a ski lift failing because of cold temperature. Now we are at hard evidence found in the debris and you want a military stamp on it to seal the deal because you cannot explain it but choose to dance around it like the others.

Stick to designing side walks you fucking moron.

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Originally posted by culorut I think all of you have a good idea by now. You just refuse to look into it because of fear, ignorance and yes immaturity. All the voids are present in the official story and everything points to government cover up/involvement. If you are upset it's because the official story makes you feel that way because to believe it you must be out of your fucking mind. It's a fairy tale, always has and always will be.

I'm looking for names. I want to know who we charge for treason.

When you say "nano" sized, are you saying particles that are the size of an iPod Nano--say a couple of inches in length/width, or are you talking about nano-sized like the kind that is only visible using an incredibly strong SEM microscope?

If it's the latter size, where is the study and who conducted it again? If it's the iPod kind, can you hear airplanes crashing if you hold it up to your ears?

Is it nano-thermite, nano-sized particles of thermite, advanced militastic gradular nanotic thermatic explosivons, or is it just bullshit and rust?

If it is really "nano sized" I'd question if the sample itself is even large enough to determine what it actually is.

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Originally posted by culorut That is the perfect example of why you and people like you can never believe in anything else then what popular science or the media tells you. The point is what they found was not supposed to be there at all. If you are such a smart engineer why not show everyone how easy it is to find this stuff in other debris from other building collapses instead of mocking eight different scientists who have a hell of a lot more experience and brains then you do. When a bridge collapsed in Cali you were quick to jump on the fact that it resembled the trade towers collapses but it did not resemble anything like the controlled demo of the towers at all. Then you moved on to thermal expansion because of NIST's failure of a paper and compared it to a ski lift failing because of cold temperature. Now we are at hard evidence found in the debris and you want a military stamp on it to seal the deal because you cannot explain it but choose to dance around it like the others. Stick to designing side walks you fucking moron.

where exactly did i say a bridge collapse was similar to the controlled demolition twin towers collapse? then again the twin towers didn't look anything like a controlled demolition.....

secondly, the ski lift reference you keep nagging on was an example to explain to you the power of thermal expansion.... a small ammount of water which infiltrated into a weld exerted enough pressure to fracture the weld completely.

its this kind of dishonest research or perhaps inability to comprehend the English language in context, that prevents people from beliving in your asinine theories.

If i have questions about collecting EI payments, living with parents, ill be sure to ask you, otherwise i see little if any merit in any of your postings, and by post i mean copy-paste.

You must have the most worn out ctrl, C and V keys on the planet.....

Below is what is wrong with the official story, this also happens to be what the sheep so blindly believe in.

Go ahead and answer these questions, if you dare. LOL


250+ 9/11 'Smoking Guns' Found in the Mainstream Media


PLANNED BEFORE

1. 1962 - US military drafted 'Operation Northwoods', a plan to commit terror acts in US cities, kill innocent people, hijack airplanes, and plant evidence as a way to trick the public into thinking Cuba committed an unprovoked attack against the US in order to support a war against Cuba. (ABC, Natl Security Archives)

2. March '00 - Filming begins for The Lone Gunmen's 'Pilot' episode that depicts a US plot to crash an electronically hijacked Boeing 727 into WTC and blame foreign terrorists to provoke war and increase military's budget (KC Star), March '01 - 'Pilot' episode airs on FOX TV, 6 months before attacks (TV Guide), Co-producers were relieved to hear 9/11 plot pre-dated their show. (io9.com)

PRIOR KNOWLEDGE / PREPARATION

3. 1999 - NORAD starts conducting exercises in which airplanes are hijacked and crashed into targets which include the WTC and Pentagon (USA Today), April '01 - NORAD requested a war games event of having a terrorist group hijack a commercial airline and fly it into the Pentagon. (Boston Globe)

4. 2000 - CNN has employed active duty military psyops personnel. (WorldNetDaily)

5. Oct '00 - Pentagon conducts emergency training exercises of a mock passenger plane crash into the Pentagon. (Army)

6. June '01 - Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircrafts because of a 'threat assessment'. (CBS)

7. June '01 - Terrorist act exercise involving an explosion is conducted near the Pentagon to test first team's 'external response.' (Military District of Washington)

8. June '01 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 01, an exercise involving a cruise missile attack scenario in which their presentation manual has a photo of Osama bin Laden on the cover and a picture of an explosion in a skyscraper inside. (Global Security); June '02 - NORAD conducts Amalgam Virgo 02, an exercise involving a domestic commercial airliner-hijacking scenario planned before 9/11. (Defense Link)

9. July '01 - Twin 400 ft gas tanks near WTC are imploded by Controlled Demolition Inc. who will later do clean-up at Ground Zero. (Queens Gazette, Phillyblast)

10. Aug '01 - Raytheon and US Air Force successfully land pilot-less Boeing 727 using military GPS landing system that enables ground control to take control of hijacked plane. (Der Spiegel, Raytheon)

11. Aug 30 - Dept of Transportation conducts exercise involving high-jacked plane and a cell phone from it among other aspects of the scenario that one participants describes as being 'very strange' when the actual event happened on 9/11. (MTI)

12. Sept '01 - 25,000 British troops ensemble in Oman near Afghanistan for 'Operation Swift Sword' and will help US in attacking OBL. (BBC, Telegraph)

13. Sept 3 - Author Salman Rushdie given US air ban. (Ananova)

14. Sept 4 - An Israeli owned shipping company moves out of the WTC. (Virginian-Pilot, Real Estate Weekly)

15. Sept 5 - US pulls the plug on Muslim websites. (Guardian, BBC)

16. Sept 7 - Jeb Bush puts the Florida National Guard on alert (WorldNetDaily, MyFlorida.com), Sept 10-11 - President Bush is in FL, state that controversially handed him 2000 presidency (Telegraph), 9/11 - Jeb Bush declares state of emergency in FL immediately after 2nd tower fell (WorldNetDaily), At least 15 of the 19 hijackers have Florida ties. (Augusta Chronicle)

17. Sept 8 - Marine Aviation group moves further away from where explosion at the Pentagon will happen. (Leatherneck)

18. Sept 8 - Mock drill at Buffalo Niagara Airport simulated terrorists blowing up an aircraft containing 82 passengers and some of the participants will help at Ground Zero after 9/11. (Univ Buffalo, Highland Hose Volunteer Fire)

19. Sept 10 - FEMA rescuer Tom Kenney says he was deployed to NYC late Monday night before going into action Tuesday morning, the day of the attacks. (CBS video)

20. Sept 10 - Group of top Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for next morning because of 'security concerns'. (Newsweek)

21. Sept 10 - San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives travel warning 8 hours before attacks. (SF Chronicle)

22. Sept 10 - A rookie is asked to temporarily take command of the National Military Command Center inside Pentagon for Sept. 11. (9/11 Commission)

23. 9/11 - Fort Belvoir near the Pentagon was conducting an exercise to test the security at the base in case of a terrorist attack. (Connection Newspapers)

24. 9/11 - An airport emergency operations exercise is being conducted at Fort Myer, a mile from the Pentagon. (MDW, DC Military)

25. 9/11 - Employees at Israeli instant messaging company Odigo received text message warnings about attacks 2 hours prior. (Haaretz, Washington Post)

26. 9/11 - Donald Rumsfeld predicts terrorist attack in US 2 minutes before 1st WTC plane crash (Fayetteville Observer), later predicts Pentagon crash minutes prior. (Telegraph)

27. 9/11 - White House staff given Cipro, a full month before first cases of anthrax reported. (Washington Post)

28. 9/11 - President Bush's cousin escaped death from the WTC thanks to a 'schedule change' the night before. (Ananova)

29. 9/11 - Fiduciary Trust, located in the south WTC, had scheduled an emergency drill for the day. (NY Times)

30. 9/11 - Larry Silverstein is absent from his office on the North Tower's 88th floor because of a 'doctors appointment' along with his two kids who are 'running late'. (NY Magazine, NY Observer)

31. Sept 12 - FEMA was scheduled to participate in an attack drill in NYC. (9/11 Panel, NYC.gov)


For the rest of the nearly 300 interesting facts and questions that remain to be answered by the official story click below,

http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

Bush asks Daschle to limit Sept. 11 probes

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11, congressional and White House sources told CNN.

The request was made at a private meeting with congressional leaders Tuesday morning. Sources said Bush initiated the conversation.

He asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said

Tuesday's discussion followed a rare call to Daschle from Vice President Dick Cheney last Friday to make the same request.

"The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism," Daschle told reporters.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLI...v.terror.probe/

Cheney Warns Democrats

The Bush administration is going on the offensive to counter charges it could have done more to head off the Sept. 11 attacks, calling Democrats irresponsible for criticizing the president at wartime while pushing for limits on any congressional investigations.

Vice President Dick Cheney led the charge, saying Thursday that suggestions by some Democrats that the attacks could have been prevented were "thoroughly irresponsible and totally unworthy of national leaders in a time of war."

Speaking Thursday night at the New York state Conservative Party's annual dinner, he warned Democrats "to not seek political advantage by making incendiary suggestions ... that the White House had advance information that would have prevented the tragic attacks of 9-11.�

The White House has acknowledged that a month before the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush was told by U.S. intelligence that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist network might hijack American airplanes. That prompted the administration to issue a private warning to federal agencies.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002...ain509395.shtml

Bush Opposes 9/11 Query Panel

President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11.

Mr. Bush said the matter should be dealt with by congressional intelligence committees.

CBS News Correspondent Bill Plante reports that Mr. Bush said the investigation should be confined to Congress because it deals with sensitive information that could reveal sources and methods of intelligence. Therefore, he said, the congressional investigation is "the best place" to probe the events leading up to the terrorist attacks.

"I have great confidence in our FBI and CIA," the President said in Berlin, adding that he feels the agencies are already improving their information sharing practices.

Mr. Bush's comments come after a two-day hearing on Capitol Hill with FBI director Robert Mueller and the agent who wrote the so-called "Phoenix memo" last summer warning about that Arab students training at U.S. aviation schools were linked to a militant Muslim group.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002...ain509096.shtml

That's a lot of copy and pasting there.

what i love about cretinrot's "logic" is that there were all these intelligence warnings about Islamic terror attacks, but when one occurs it was carried out by the US government. He also thinks no plane crashed into the pentagon, but also maintains that cheney gave stand down orders so that a plane could crash into the pentagon. Hilarious.

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1. 1962 - US military drafted 'Operation Northwoods', a plan to commit terror acts in US cities, kill innocent people, hijack airplanes, and plant evidence as a way to trick the public into thinking Cuba committed an unprovoked attack against the US in order to support a war against Cuba. (ABC, Natl Security Archives)

10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes


9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's �happened before�.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

Russia Today interviews Niels Harrit

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, i DID warn you its the same stuff, albeit from different people. same lies, same awful logic, same arrogant superiority complexes. the wonderful thing is though that as soon as you turn off the internet, these people disappear. there are very few of these morons in real life, thank god!

Yah, thank god, eh? Good thing they took care of that moron John F. Kennedy. It is no lie. What is logic? No feeling of superiority here, my friend. Everybody is because of their environments and influences, this is no "intellect" competition. Consciousness is the only thing that counts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WSGwnz7XpY

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless CONSPIRACY." "Tightly knit machine" "It's mistakes are buried, not headlined, no secret is revealed"

There are multiple definitions for the W-O-R-D conspiracy.

Who's the morons putting up Harry Potter pics? Why don't you just leave the thread but, you can't? Hmmmm, you guys having a hard time swallowing the red pill?

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
-J. Edgar Hoover

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what i love about cretinrot's "logic" is that there were all these intelligence warnings about Islamic terror attacks, but when one occurs it was carried out by the US government. He also thinks no plane crashed into the pentagon, but also maintains that cheney gave stand down orders so that a plane could crash into the pentagon. Hilarious. 10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists A useful guide by Donna Ferentes 9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's �happened before�.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.

Ever heard of divide and conquer? No conspiracy theorist is of the same persona. I say it's just hunting down suppressed knowledge that the entire populace deserves to devour in. This ignorance is stinking really bad now.

The bold assumes that I don't reflect, when I reflect constantly, I'm always thinking, always stimulating my thoughts. My awareness is of high definition.

Who's to say it's EXTREMELY unlikely? WHO?! Somebody who has done no deep scan research, that's who. Reason why this all still holds weight is because the people who setup nazi germany are still here to this day. No idiots would try to take over the world in the light.

"That's a lot of copy and pasting there." Ain't that what our education system is like? Repeaters of the same given reality. Copy and paste textbook onto exams, rinse, repeat.

Great. Out of context quotations totally prove the conspiracy.

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Originally posted by PegCityEvolve "That's a lot of copy and pasting there." Ain't that what our education system is like? Repeaters of the same given reality. Copy and paste textbook onto exams, rinse, repeat.

rants of a disgruntled arts major that is.......

/obligatory

Here's the full ten:

http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

I can say a lot of things for those who believe so blindly in their corrupt government(s) and have many times already in this thread. What is really shocking is the vast abundance of sore losers beating the same story of tinfoil hat conspiracy garbage while still ignoring the thousands of so called facts that are absolutely completely wrong with the official fairy tale that was shoved down their throats.

The funny thing is these same people that criticize others for questioning "official" accounts from proven government/media liars believe more bull shit than anyone else.

Who's really wearing tinfoil hats? A little upset you are on the losing end of the stick after all these years?

Yes 214 58.95%
No 149 41.05%

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Originally posted by culorut I can say a lot of things for those who believe so blindly in their corrupt government(s) and have many times already in this thread. What is really shocking is the vast abundance of sore losers beating the same story of tinfoil hat conspiracy garbage while still ignoring the thousands of so called facts that are absolutely completely wrong with the official fairy tale that was shoved down their throats. The funny thing is these same people that criticize others for questioning "official" accounts from proven government/media liars believe more bull shit than anyone else. Who's really wearing tinfoil hats? A little upset you are on the losing end of the stick after all these years? Yes 214 58.95% No 149 41.05%

here you go again, using the internets to validate yourself..... as opposed to lets say doing the normal thing and citing numerous peer reviewed scientific journals.......

who am i kidding, obviously internet polls are just as accurate.

keep on fighting the man there cretinrot, if you spend enough time on the farm, maybe the sheep will listen to you.

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Originally posted by culorut A little upset you are on the losing end of the stick after all these years? Yes 214 58.95% No 149 41.05%

An argumentum ad populum (Latin: "appeal to the people"), in logic, is a fallacious argument that concludes a proposition to be true because many or all people believe it; it alleges, "If many believe so, it is so." It is logically fallacious because the mere fact that a belief is widely held is not necessarily a guarantee that the belief is correct; if the belief of any individual can be wrong, then the belief held by multiple persons can also be wrong.

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Originally posted by culorut I can say a lot of things for those who believe so blindly in their corrupt government(s) and have many times already in this thread. What is really shocking is the vast abundance of sore losers beating the same story of tinfoil hat conspiracy garbage while still ignoring the thousands of so called facts that are absolutely completely wrong with the official fairy tale that was shoved down their throats. The funny thing is these same people that criticize others for questioning "official" accounts from proven government/media liars believe more bull shit than anyone else. Who's really wearing tinfoil hats? A little upset you are on the losing end of the stick after all these years? Yes 214 58.95% No 149 41.05%

well then, if these poll results are so conclusive and important, why don't you take them and get that 2nd investigation started?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well then, if these poll results are so conclusive and important, why don't you take them and get that 2nd investigation started?

He's already done the investigation PKC!

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Originally posted by culorut Who's really wearing tinfoil hats? A little upset you are on the losing end of the stick after all these years? Yes 214 58.95% No 149 41.05%

I voted yes when I thought this thread was a joke, and now I can't change it to "No."

Yes.


Representative Of Largest 9/11 Families Group Says Government
Complicit In Attack
Tells radio host 9/11 Commission a sham, "cover-up beyond belief"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/article...ntcomplicit.htm


Documentaries, then text documents and articles.

9/11: Press for Truth
This documentary primarily focuses on the Jersey Girls and their
efforts to even get the 9/11 commission to happen, and their search
for answers in what happened.
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Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
This documentary focuses entirely on prior knowledge and criminal negligence
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911 Mysteries Part 1
This documentary focuses entirely on the questions of the collapse of
the buildings. It was written and put together by a former Bush
supporter, and demolitions enthusiast, who was so enraged when he saw
one of the original documentaries on 9/11 (painful deceptions) he set
out to disprove it, and what he found shook him to his core.
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Improbable Collapse: The Demolition of Our Republic
This documentary dissects information put forth to explain the
collapse of the buildings by NIST and FEMA, and shows the logical
fallacies in their presentations
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Now the documents and articles that will shake you to your core.


First and foremost, meet the whistle blowers
http://www.nswbc.org/Press%20Releases/NSWBC-911Comm.htm


unanswered questions by victims families
http://911independentcommission.org/questions.html
http://www.911truth.org/article.php...041026093059633


Paul R Thompsons complete 9/11 timeline, pieced together, by
mainstream articles.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...ect=911_project


All 115 9/11 commission report omissions and distortions with page footnotes
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/571-page-lie.htm


NIST in violation of the Data Quality Act
http://www.muckraker-report.org/id265.htmll


FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"
http://www.muckraker-report.org/id267.html


FAA evidence destroyed
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...6¬Found=true



Operation Nortwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf


Firefighters engineering responds to NIST's "investigation"
http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Arti...TICLE_ID=131225


kevin ryan's internal letter within underwriters laboratories
http://www.septembereleventh.org/ne...-11-11-ryan.php


Odigo warns workers
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/...ml?itemNo=77744


Investigative Reporter Breaks new 9/11 Foreknowledge
http://www.infowars.net/articles/de.../071206Haas.htm
http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id324.html



scott forbes talking about powerdowns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcUQg3DadaA
http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/1...-interview.html


Bush saying he saw first plane hit tower that morning (when the video
of the first plane didn't come out until the next day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F6kouXg40Q


Firefighter saying bomb in building
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C26k0nCE1_M


View of a military expert: why the towers collapsed
http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/soldier5.htm


Osama index
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/b...9-11_truth.html


a fake osama tape?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html


Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?,
PDF Version
http://worldtradecentertruth.com/vo...elyCollapse.pdf

Central colums ommitted from comission report?
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/


NORAD standing DOWN??
http://standdown.net/
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/


WTC7
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html
http://www.studyof911.com/articles/winstonwtc701/


Hijackers still alive?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/1559151.stm


Norman mineta's testimony censored
http://www.prisonplanet.com/article...onycensored.htm


Prominent US and non US government officials question official story of 9/11
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Architecths and Engineers for 9/11 truth
http://www.ae911truth.org

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