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Originally posted by Floorfiller do those of you that are religious in this thread think that the bible is a true story or a story created to be a representation of good moral behavior?

Like aesop's fables!!

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Originally posted by Floorfiller do those of you that are religious in this thread think that the bible is a true story or a story created to be a representation of good moral behavior?

That's why I think all religion was created...

Maybe I just see things in more abstract terms, but I think the idea of religion is simply to help guide man in how he should live, and I don't believe any one religion has it "right..."

They've all got great potential to teach, but unfortunately, as is well illustrated in this thread, the crusades, and in general the rest of the world, when self righteuosness & politics get in the way, religion is a pain in the ass...

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Like aesop's fables!!

Exactly...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller do those of you that are religious in this thread think that the bible is a true story or a story created to be a representation of good moral behavior?

I'm not religious. I hate that word. But, yeah, if you hadn't gotten it from earlier in the thread, I believe it's God's word, literally. But we're still friends, even though we differ in opinion.

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Originally posted by UWM Well, referring back to kr00t0n's retort. Say I lived as an Amazonian tribesman my whole life and decided to go on a journey to discover what the rest of the world had to offer. During my journey I managed to come across a written manuscript outlining the principles of, let's call it 'Religion X.' I then come across a written manuscript outlining the founding principles of Christianity. It is at this point in time that I must choose one of these religions to believe and spread to my indigenous Amazonians. Since I have no frame of reference, I choose 'Religion X' and carry back to my people the knowledge and principles of this religion. Since I have learnt the principles of Christianity and have chosen not to take them on as my own and worship them, am I therefore damned to Hell because I have read about it?

Yes, another valid point. And it's when you start to break it down into scenario's like this, that make me the atheist (and somewhat rather sceptical atheist) that I am.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Yes, another valid point. And it's when you start to break it down into scenario's like this, that make me the atheist (and somewhat rather sceptical atheist) that I am.

Yep... I had an amazing Phil prof this last year who really explained it in terms to me where I just had to question the idea of organized religion...

BTW, I do not think people who do take part in Organized Religions are weak willed or minded... I just personally deal with these things more internally... My questions and my "faith" are my own, and not something I choose to place or force upon other people...

Well here's the thing, Atheist believe that God doesn't exist.

I'm agnostic, in such I dont know if he does/doesnt, so I can't really believe.

Works for me, I'd rather be pleasantly surprised that there is an afterlife, than be very dissapointed if there isn't.

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Yep... I had an amazing Phil prof this last year who really explained it in terms to me where I just had to question the idea of organized religion... BTW, I do not think people who do take part in Organized Religions are weak willed or minded... I just personally deal with these things more internally... My questions and my "faith" are my own, and not something I choose to place or force upon other people...

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

I like your style, I respect your beliefs and you respect mine, which is the best way for stuff to work.

if i really just don't care about these subjects and don't care if a god exists...what does that make me? because its not like i don't believe in god...its just i really don't care to waste life wondering about it...i just know that what ever the truth is...it has nothing to do with the religions that surround me in life...

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Ding ding ding! We have a winner! I like your style, I respect your beliefs and you respect mine, which is the best way for stuff to work.

Word... I'm big on understanding through tolerance... I've never seen anyone say/write anything even remotely worthwhile from a self-righteous or angry point of view regarding religion or faith...

The one thing I do know about what I "believe," is that there is no room for intolerance or closed minds...

Peace,

Rob

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Originally posted by Floorfiller if i really just don't care about these subjects and don't care if a god exists...what does that make me? because its not like i don't believe in god...its just i really don't care to waste life wondering about it...i just know that what ever the truth is...it has nothing to do with the religions that surround me in life...

prolly leaning towards agnostic, sort of a "I don't know and I don't really care" kinda thing

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Originally posted by kr00t0n prolly leaning towards agnostic, sort of a "I don't know and I don't really care" kinda thing

yeah that's usually what i end up labelling it to people hehe...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller do those of you that are religious in this thread think that the bible is a true story or a story created to be a representation of good moral behavior?

Oh you better believe it's all literal. Every last drop of it.

Man, I can't wait until Jesus sees this thread. He's going to smote all of you with the passion of the christ.

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Originally posted by occrider Oh you better believe it's all literal. Every last drop of it. Man, I can't wait until Jesus sees this thread. He's going to smote all of you with the passion of the christ.

If he does that I'll tell on him, I dont think his dad will be impressed

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Originally posted by DJ RJT Word... I'm big on understanding through tolerance... I've never seen anyone say/write anything even remotely worthwhile from a self-righteous or angry point of view regarding religion or faith... The one thing I do know about what I "believe," is that there is no room for intolerance or closed minds... Peace, Rob

Very true.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller do those of you that are religious in this thread think that the bible is a true story or a story created to be a representation of good moral behavior?

Man, the bible is the metod of control, u know. Someone want's to control us with it. That trancaholic dude is right, it's a cunspiracy. And u know who I think did it? Well, this may sound strange to u guyz, but I think it's gotta do somethng with the aliens. Cuz, u c, god is always flying around making noise and stuff. Like spaceships and UFOs. And he's making those pillars oflight and jet streams. And I think that Soddomah and Gommor thing was a nuke, and the woman turned into a statue of salt because nuclear reactions from the blast boiled her blood and caused it to turn in salt. And then there's the whole area 51 thing. They're hinding somthing from us. Somthing big. Becuz the aliens didn't come here at Roswel, they were here the whole time. Just look at that face on Mars, that's been there for like ions. We're like their pet science project. Or a organ farm

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Originally posted by occrider Oh you better believe it's all literal. Every last drop of it. Man, I can't wait until Jesus sees this thread. He's going to smote all of you with the passion of the christ.

If you think Jesus is anything more than a Che-Guevara-cum-David-Blaine of his times then your a fucking clueless idiot. You never heard of "the cult of personality"? Never seen The Life of Brian its all conclusive proof that Jesus was merely a socialist revolutionary you was clever enough to realise that stupid people (ie YOU) would believe in his Marxist doctrine if he performed a few magic shows (what you might refer to as "miracles")

Feeding of the 5,000? The poor go to Heaven while the rich go to hell? Pure socialism

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Man, the bible is the metod of control, u know. Someone want's to control us with it. That trancaholic dude is right, it's a cunspiracy. And u know who I think did it? Well, this may sound strange to u guyz, but I think it's gotta do somethng with the aliens. Cuz, u c, god is always flying around making noise and stuff. Like spaceships and UFOs. And he's making those pillars oflight and jet streams. And I think that Soddomah and Gommor thing was a nuke, and the woman turned into a statue of salt because nuclear reactions from the blast boiled her blood and caused it to turn in salt. And then there's the whole area 51 thing. They're hinding somthing from us. Somthing big. Becuz the aliens didn't come here at Roswel, they were here the whole time. Just look at that face on Mars, that's been there for like ions. We're like their pet science project. Or a organ farm

Thats nearly as stupid as all these Bible bashers! Slightly more believable but fucking stupid none-the-less

Javier is my God, he just doesnt know it yet...

Hehhe, I wanna say "Baptism by [insert word that starts with a j and rhymes with baptism]", but that would be rude

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Hehhe, I wanna say "Baptism by [insert word that starts with a j and rhymes with baptism]", but that would be rude

Baptism by japtism? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?! That some biblical term for cracking one off or summat equally sad?

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Originally posted by NiteMer This is something I don't get. Give me a verse that says one must take communion for salvation. Jesus says, "Do this in remembrance of me", not do this to be saved. I think communion is important as an act of obedience to God, as is baptism, but there isn't any scripture that says they are necessary for salvation.

You are correct, scripture at face value does not support this believe. What you fail to note, however, is that it is throught the body and blood of Christ that the new covonent is sealed. Each time we take communion we are renewing that covonent... essentially we are washed clean by our entry into the covonent.

Also, baptism is not an act of obedience but an instilling of the holy spirit and our naming in front of God. It is by whatever name we are given in baptism that God will call us to him.

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Originally posted by NiteMer Renegade and Occrider - Although I agree with your reasoning and idealogy, I would consider a different tactic when debating these issues. You aren't going to change anyone's mind by telling them they are going to burn in hell, or by getting worked up and attacking their idealogy. You have to debate the issues intelligently and allow individuals to make their own decision. God wouldn't want it any other way, as he really determines the end result.

+1

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Originally posted by DJ RJT BTW, I do not think people who do take part in Organized Religions are weak willed or minded... I just personally deal with these things more internally... My questions and my "faith" are my own, and not something I choose to place or force upon other people...

The Bible is wrong! It was edited and put together 350 years after Jesus dies by a group of people who had political objectives to fulfill. You tell me what day it says Jesus was born on? It doesn't. Yet we all were told he was born on 25th december...why? Cos that was the main festival (its actually winter solstice) of the pagans who were prevelant in the Roman empire at the time. Why do Jews have their hold day on saturday and Christians on the sunday if Christianity came from Judaism? Cos the Roman pagans holy day was on subday. What Christians are actually worshiping is the Roman Sun God! You fucking mugs!! Would the great unwashed of the Roman empire simply have accepted Christianity as their new religion? No. Christianity had to be a bastardisation of the Roman sun god worship and aspects of Christianity fixed onto that template. The gospels cant even make their mind up whether Jesus was born in a stable or a house and was it shepards or wise men who visited Jesus cos they cant even decide on that! So the gospels certainly are not true 100% cos they contradict each other therefore it is a pretty safe bet other parts are wrong. Most of the gospels that went against the Bible editors political beliefs were simply left out. Jesus had to be immortal as thats what the Roman sun god was so anything that said other wise was not included and the followers of these true forms of Christianity wiped off the face of the planet by the Catholic church (ie the Gnostics) Same for any gospels that elevated women as equals (ie gospel of Mary) as the blokes didn't want any women getting power. But even the gospels that did make it got edited! You heard of Lazarus? Brought back from the dead?! Was he shite. In the gospel of Mark there is a section taken out of the Lazarus story that suggests he is alive in the chambre and it is just a ceremony (the actual reason it was edited out was not because of that but because Jesus slept naked with the naked Lazarus and some people might thinkl thats a bit gay!!) As for the old testiment well thats even more full of shit. The Jews never made the exodus from Egypt - FACT. Moses didn't write the first 5 (or 4?) books they were all different authours - FACT

So no I do not have any respect for people who believe in a book that was written for the specific purpose of controlling a population and all those that do are dumb dumb dumb...

I notice a lot of people here referring to God as a male.....I have never seen God and I am sure none of you have so how can you say God is a male.

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