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Originally posted by Renegade This was in the paper yesterday. I don't think you'll agree with it's contention, trancaholic (to be honest, I'm not sure I do either), but it's still when of the better op-eds I've read on the subject:

Yes, that was an interesting read, and of course I don't agree with it. I am a secularist at heart and so would probably be labelled an extremist by the author of this article. However, (even though I know that by me being "extreme", my views, arguments, and opinions about the other side must a priori be dismissed) I still think that I want to point out that this author is not sitting comfortably in the middle of the conflict, as she seems to think, but is quite biased. First, she starts her piece by talking about "cartoons depicting Mohammed as a terrorist", when in fact it was only one out of twelve cartoons, which could be categorized as such. Further, she likes to portray the conflict as being symmetrical - i.e. that both sides is basically just attacking a sacred value of the other - but her arguments are very thin. For instance, she equates banning teachings on evolution with Salman Rushdie writing a book critical of Islam. Of course the first offense is far worse than the second one, as it is a totalitarian move, preventing others from getting a specific education, whereas an offensive book can be left alone. Furthermore, Islamists have not only demanded that freedom of speech is curbed, they have also rioted and killed and boycotted innocents in this case. So even if making demands of foreign nations would be morally equivalent to drawing cartoons of religious idols and publishing them domestically, then the Islamists are still the moral losers here. The final point I would make, is that the author is guilty of misrepresenting reality. She quotes a study saying that 97% of "Muslim youth" deplore the reaction among Muslims, and latently draws the conclusion that the extremists among Muslims are few. However, a recent poll among Palestinians showed that 63% of these found "burning embassies and flags and rioting" was suitable responses to the offense, so one can chose the poll most in accordance with ones worldview. Furthermore, looking at the rhetorics of the media and rulers in Muslim countries, it is obvious that the 97% of reasonable youths don't have much influence there, and that it is the extremists that are being pandered to. The same cannot be said of the rhetorics in the West, where the harshest statements are "freedom of expression in the West will not be curbed" and that "I prefer an excess of charicature over an excess of censorship".

Anyway, Prince Charles just joined Jack Straw and the other British hypocrites:

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Charles in religious tolerance call The Prince of Wales has appeared to criticise the Danish cartoons which sparked a wave of violent protests over their satirising of the Prophet Muhammad. During his tour to the Middle East, Charles, who is in Egypt with the Duchess of Cornwall, expressed concerns over the "failure to listen and to respect what is precious and sacred to others". The heir to the throne addressed more than 800 Islamic scholars at Al-Azhar University, calling for greater tolerance between different religions. Camilla watched from the audience as the Prince delivered his serious, impassioned 30-minute speech which he had titled "unity in faith". The Prince said: "The recent ghastly strife and anger over the Danish cartoons shows the danger that comes of our failure to listen and to respect what is precious and sacred to others. In my view, the true mark of a civilised society is the respect it pays to minorities and to strangers." The Prince spoke about divided communities in Iraq, and said his fears from more than a decade ago of growing misunderstanding between Islam and the West had come true. "For so many, those years have been profoundly bleak. My heart is heavy from witnessing the never-ending death and destruction." He added: "Images of communities torn apart by religious conflict are deeply harrowing, from Bosnia to Baghdad, from Chechnya to Palestine - evidence of just how far misunderstandings have continued and escalated." The Prince called on religious leaders to play their part in encouraging tolerance. "We must foster, encourage and act upon that which embodies the divine attributes of mercy and compassion. That calls for calmness and the exercise of restraint. And, if I may say so, it requires all those who are in positions of authority in our different faiths to preach clearly and consistently to others the eternal values of these divine attributes." Charles was also presented with an honorary degree which prompted a swell of applause from the auditorium. The decision to present him with the accolade was criticised by one lecturer, who said he did not believe the Prince merited it. The Al-Azhar mosque had urged caution in response to the Danish cartoons at the time of the troubles, but organised protests and rallied people to demonstrate against the publications.

From Huddersfield

Charles timed his statement just nicely with the trials of the Afghan Christian and the Yemeni newspaper editor, I must say. Furthermore, I like how someone, who's offended scores of brits by divorcing his wife, and fostered a kid who dresses up as a Nazi for kicks, talks about "respecting what is sacred of others". Similarly, one wonders why as a representative of the UK, he does not address his own troops behaviour in Iraq prior to handing out moral judgment on an independent newspaper who has acted within the boundaries of the law.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Maybe we should learn our timeline... May 10, 1940 - Nazis invade France, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands; Winston Churchill becomes British Prime Minister. Churchill was called back that same day because he knew exactly what Hilter was years ahead of time and no one listened...

faaaak... me is le pwned

completely forgot he wasnt in office

A further development (relevant bits emphasized):

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COPENHAGEN, March 23 (Reuters) - Danish police will launch an investigation into allegations that an imam at the centre of the Prophet Mohammad cartoon row issued death threats against a moderate Muslim politician, a spokesman said on Thursday. At least 50 people have been killed in protests in Asia, Africa and the Middle East after Danish paper Jyllands-Posten published 12 cartoons about the Prophet last year. A French TV documentary crew secretly filmed Imam Ahmed Akkari threatening to have Naser Khader -- a founder of Denmark's Democratic Muslims network, which opposes violent protests over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad -- bombed. "It is truly shocking that an elected Danish politician can be the object of threats in this way," Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen told reporters. "I take for granted that the police will investigate what happened and will deal with it." Police spokesman Flemming Steen Munk said the inquiry would begin as soon as Akkari returned from Bahrain, where he was attending a conference that finished on Thursday. If convicted, Akkari would face a maximum of eight years in prison. Akkari, a spokesman for the Islamic Religious Community in Denmark, told Danish National TV he regretted his threat and said he "in no way" wanted to provoke an attack on Khader. "I am deeply sorry about the remark, which was meant as a joke, but was taken seriously," he said in an open letter to Khader, who lives under police protection. Syrian-born Khader, a member of parliament for the opposition Social Liberal Party, told Danish media he did not want to comment on the threat until he had seen the documentary, which was scheduled to be broadcast later in the day. Three Danish embassies have been attacked in violent protests against the cartoons, which have been reprinted in many European papers, and many Muslims have boycotted Danish goods. Muslims considers caricatures of prophet blasphemous. Danish Imams, including Akkari, said on Thursday they would not call for a halt to a Muslim boycott of their country's goods until Danes apologise for the cartoons. "We didn't ask that the boycott be ended, but we urged that there is no escalation of the boycott," said Raed Hlayhel, who is leading the delegation of Danish imams to the "International Conference for Supporting the Prophet" in Bahrain. Danish-Swedish dairy cooperative Arla, one of the Danish firms hit by the boycott, has been criticised by politicians and women's groups for cowing to fundamentalism in advertisements published in Saudi Arabia, where the group distances itself from the cartoons and apologises to its customers. Last month, Denmark's centre-right government accused some local imams, including Akkari, of whipping up anti-Danish anger during a tour of Egypt and Lebanon last year. The anti-immigrant Danish Peoples Party, a government ally, wants those who made the trip last year to be expelled. (Additional reporting by Rasmus Jorgensen and Isa Mubarak)

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Arla is facing growing contempt among danish consumers, due to their adverts in Saudi Arabia, which included somthing like "our time in your world has taught us that justice and tolerance are fundamental values in Islam" - a sentence which has sparked quite a bit of outrage from feminists and secularists in Denmark. Personally I'm torn over the Arla issue, as at one hand I despise their pathetic pampering to fundies in the Middle East, but at the other time know that the owners of Arla are everyday farmers, and quite a lot of these have spoken out against the Arla appeasement campaign. Furthermore, Arla is the only company selling organically produced milk and butter, which I really want to support. An interesting dilemma for me.

Akkari has excused his statement with "the tradition for harsh sarcasm and humor in Denmark" - a tradition which he was apparently totally oblivious to when he condemned the Mohammad cartoons. Once again it has been demonstrated that fundies have one set of rules for themselves and another for others. God damn it pisses me off.
EDIT: Think it's stupid to view the statement as a "threat", though. And it pains me to see a lot of politicians using this to play the "let's have an investigation"-card for boosting their own image.

I think all in the world can agree that mutual understanding, mutual respect, peace and justice certainly will never result from defamation, ridicule and insult. Therefore, there is no real benefit from defaming or denigrating the Prophet Muhammad PBUH in a manner like the recent political cartoons in Europe. The only result that one can expect from such practices is more hatred, violence and fear. Certainly, if you disrespect someone else, you cannot expect that he will show great respect for you in return. If this hatred does turn into more terrorism, the longer term result may simply be more restrictions on civil liberties and freedoms in the West. Those who are supporting such cartoons in the name of rights and liberties may, in the long-run, find their liberties restricted because of what these disrespectful acts produced. In essence, nobody wins in the long-run. There is simply no rationale for such behavior.

At the same time, we have to call upon all interested parties to show restraint and to consider what ramifications anything that they say or do might have. Muslim scholars should take the lead, as they have done in the past, to stress to the Muslims that the actions of the non-Muslims should never anger them so much that it leads them to do something that contradicts the Law of Islam. It is time for leaders in the West to realize that the "freedom" which is very dear to the Western conscience should not be an unwise or harmful freedom. I believe it was Milton Friedman who stated, "My freedom to swing my fist stops where your chin begins." In today's turbulent environment, perhaps it should be said�not as a law but as moral behavior�"My freedom of speech ends where your personal dignity begins."

I just posted

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Originally posted by trancaholic Once again it has been demonstrated that fundies have one set of rules for themselves and another for others.

and then someone with an avatar like this:

posts something like this:

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Originally posted by CaTcH21 I think all in the world can agree that mutual understanding, mutual respect, peace and justice certainly will never result from defamation, ridicule and insult.

Bravo! I couldn't have illustrated this any better if I had created a new profile myself. Thanks!

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Originally posted by trancaholic I just posted and then someone with an avatar like this: posts something like this: Bravo! I couldn't have illustrated this any better if I had created a new profile myself. Thanks!

hahaha, you a joke !

You're out of your element kid. Didn't you see the warning about intellectuals and dictionaries on the door? It takes more than blatant copying to navigate these waters. Go back to the COR or wherever you came from.

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Originally posted by CaTcH21 I think all in the world can agree that mutual understanding, mutual respect, peace and justice certainly will never result from defamation, ridicule and insult. Therefore, there is no real benefit from defaming or denigrating the Prophet Muhammad PBUH in a manner like the recent political cartoons in Europe. The only result that one can expect from such practices is more hatred, violence and fear. Certainly, if you disrespect someone else, you cannot expect that he will show great respect for you in return. If this hatred does turn into more terrorism, the longer term result may simply be more restrictions on civil liberties and freedoms in the West. Those who are supporting such cartoons in the name of rights and liberties may, in the long-run, find their liberties restricted because of what these disrespectful acts produced. In essence, nobody wins in the long-run. There is simply no rationale for such behavior.

Yes, and we can all dress in white, skip through the fields and sing while throwing flowers everywhere too.
Unfortunately this utopian picture you draw, while nice, just isn't the real world.
As far as the cartoons go, those that are protesting need to get over themselves. Welcome to the world of civil liberties and freedom of expression because unless those Muslims that "don't get it" understand what freedom is, they're damning themselves to extinction while the rest of the world is passing them by in the dust.
There's nothing wrong with being pious and all that, but don't let the religion keep you in the dark either; it's akin to a theocratic enslavement of the mind.

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At the same time, we have to call upon all interested parties to show restraint and to consider what ramifications anything that they say or do might have. Muslim scholars should take the lead, as they have done in the past, to stress to the Muslims that the actions of the non-Muslims should never anger them so much that it leads them to do something that contradicts the Law of Islam. It is time for leaders in the West to realize that the "freedom" which is very dear to the Western conscience should not be an unwise or harmful freedom. I believe it was Milton Friedman who stated, "My freedom to swing my fist stops where your chin begins." In today's turbulent environment, perhaps it should be said�not as a law but as moral behavior�"My freedom of speech ends where your personal dignity begins."

This is where things have failed and since they've only let things fester out of control, we (the free world) are forced to deal with it; partally because we were foolish enough to trust and empower them to begin with, and partally because they've simply just been running amok too long. They must figure since we've let them run around bombing things in the past then it's alright to test the limits to the extreme.

This arguement of tolerance, while valid, is a two-way street and that's what they have to learn...

[edit] When I say, "They", I am of course refering to the Muslim extremists, NOT the Muslim population as a whole so don't go there.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Yes, and we can all dress in white, skip through the fields and sing while throwing flowers everywhere too. Unfortunately this utopian picture you draw, while nice, just isn't the real world. As far as the cartoons go, those that are protesting need to get over themselves. Welcome to the world of civil liberties and freedom of expression because unless those Muslims that "don't get it" understand what freedom is, they're damning themselves to extinction while the rest of the world is passing them by in the dust. There's nothing wrong with being pious and all that, but don't let the religion keep you in the dark either; it's akin to a theocratic enslavement of the mind. This is where things have failed and since they've only let things fester out of control, we (the free world) are forced to deal with it; partally because we were foolish enough to trust and empower them to begin with, and partally because they've simply just been running amok too long. They must figure since we've let them run around bombing things in the past then it's alright to test the limits to the extreme. This arguement of tolerance, while valid, is a two-way street and that's what they have to learn... [edit] When I say, "They", I am of course refering to the Muslim extremists, NOT the Muslim population as a whole so don't go there.

However you people want to see it, the fact of the matter is Islam is spreading, more and more people are becoming muslims, the harder the west try and destroy it, the more stronger its getting. Im done with this post. next ...

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Originally posted by CaTcH21 However you people want to see it, the fact of the matter is Islam is spreading, more and more people are becoming muslims,

I think this subject was touched upon in a post some time ago and I'm pretty sure it was spreading not because of conversions but because of birth rate...

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the harder the west try and destroy it, the more stronger its getting. Im done with this post. next ...

There was no mention of the West trying to destroy anything so stop trying to make this into a religious battle.
This is about a war on terrororists who happen to be Muslim extremists.
So kindly put your ceremonial dagger back in its scabbard and join the rest of us in some enlightenment of the situation before putting words in our mouths...

So typical, everyone caught up in the muslim/christian debate (I mean in the world, not on the boards)...

The future isn't in the Middle-East, sorry, it's in Asia, I think Asia should be scrutinized more and talked about more on these boards.

The Middle-East is soooooo 2001, and I don't think the west is trying to "Destroy" muslims, such stupidity.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I think this subject was touched upon in a post some time ago and I'm pretty sure it was spreading not because of conversions but because of birth rate...

Oh this is something supernatural, a baby norn and the next days it 20 ? and their parents are christians and they just happen to convert to Islam ?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r This is about a war on terrororists who happen to be Muslim extremists.

You just proved how ignorant you are ...

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Originally posted by CaTcH21 Oh this is something supernatural, a baby norn and the next days it 20 ? and their parents are christians and they just happen to convert to Islam ?

...and of course we have a link or source to base your arguement on...

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You just proved how ignorant you are ...

Really? Please enlighten us.
I'd be willing to bet that the major here would agree with me.
However, unless you've been trolling here in the PDD for a bit, you'd already know that...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and of course we have a link or source to base your arguement on...

This collection of former priests and missionaries should prove especially thought-provoking to our Christian readers. This is small list, you want more i'll give you more ...

Abdullah al-Faruq - Formerly Kenneth L. Jenkins, minister and elder of the Pentecostal Church

Dr. Jerald F. Dirks - Former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master's degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. Author of The Cross and the Crescent: An Interfaith Dialogue between Christianity and Islam (ISBN 1-59008-002-5 - Amana Publications, 2001). He has published over 60 articles in the field of clinical psychology, and over 150 articles on Arabian horses

Viacheslav Polosin - Former Archpriest of the Russian Orthodox Church

Anselm Tormeeda - 14th century CE Majorcan priest and scholar. From his book 'The Gift to the Intelligent for Refuting the Arguments of the Christians'

Khadijah "Sue" Watson - Former pastor, missionary, professor. Master's degree in Divinity
Ibrahim Khalil Philobus - Former Egyptian Coptic priest and missionary

Martin John Mwaipopo - Former Lutheran Archbishop

Raphael Narbaez, Jr. - Former Jehovah's Witness Minister

George Anthony Former Catholic priest

Dr. Gary Miller Former missionary

Delegation of Priests Convert to Islam at Climax of Muslim-Christian Dialogue The remarkable outcome of a dialogue between Muslim scholars and Christian priests

Dr. M.H. Durrani - Formerly Senior Chaplain at St. Mary's Church (Anglican) in Quetta, Pakistan. Doctorate in Theology (Th.D.)

You also want their testimonies ?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Really? Please enlighten us. I'd be willing to bet that the major here would agree with me. However, unless you've been trolling here in the PDD for a bit, you'd already know that...

This i will give you in new topics.

How about an actual source? link?
Arguements are not very valid without referencing sources.
Come on, this is basic English essay writing 101 stuff!
If we're going to debate this, lets at least have the basics on how to...

Am I just supposed to take you at your word?

footnotes ring a bell?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r This is about a war on terrororists who happen to be Muslim extremists.

Of The 'Dead Pilot' Who 'Crashed Into The World Trade Center'

TBC ...

Finland apparently just overtook the UK as most Islamist pandering country. This is utterly ridiculous. How can publishing the cartoons ever be understood as violating freedom of worship? I'm beginning to understand what Vesa was telling us about.

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Three Finns may face charges for posting Mohammad cartoons Finnish police said Friday it had given the preliminary investigation material pertaining to three individuals it suspects of violating the freedom of worship to Mika Illman, a state prosecutor. The three men are members of Suomen Sisu, a nationalistic movement that has posted Jyllands-Posten's controversial Mohammad cartoons on its website. Jorma Kalske, the deputy prosecutor general, is expected to decide in May whether to prosecute the men.

(From NewsRoom Finland)

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Originally posted by CaTcH21 Oh this is something supernatural, a baby norn and the next days it 20 ? and their parents are christians and they just happen to convert to Islam ? You just proved how ignorant you are ...

You know what most parents' first reaction would be when their baby's been replaced by a 20 year old? "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO MY BABY!!!!!!!"

Now the Christians are using the Muslim cartoon protests as an example of why they should start protesting and destroying things over the Da Vinci Code movie. Some of the other things in there just blew my mind considering that this movie is based on a work of fiction. I guess I can understand, because these sheep obviously have such impressionable minds that they might believe this is real.
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CANNES, France (AP) -- Anger over "The Da Vinci Code," premiering Wednesday at the Cannes Film Festival, escalated Tuesday as Christian groups from South Korea, Thailand, Greece and India planned boycotts, a hunger strike and attempts to block or shorten screenings. The plot of the movie, adapted by Ron Howard from Dan Brown's worldwide best seller, makes the case that Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had children with her. (Read: Getting ready for "Da Vinci" premiere) In India, the government Tuesday put a temporary hold on the movie's release because of complaints. In South Korea, which has 13 million Protestants and 4.6 million Roman Catholics, a court ruled Tuesday that a Christian group's request for an injunction to block screenings lacked merit. "As it is clear that the novel and movie are all fiction ... there is no probability that the movie can make viewers mistakenly believe the contents of the movie are facts," chief judge Song Jin-hyun said in his ruling. The Christian Council of Korea, an umbrella group of 63 South Korean Protestant denominations, said it respected the ruling but would lead a boycott of the movie, which it said defiles the sanctity of Jesus Christ and distorts facts. In Thailand, Christian groups demanded that government censors cut the film's final 15 minutes, fix subtitles that are supposedly disrespectful to Jesus and screen messages before and after the movie saying the content is fictional. "If they are going to screen this, we asked that they cut out the conclusion of the movie that Jesus still has heirs alive today," said spokesman Manoch Jangmook, of the Evangelical Fellowship of Thailand. The censor board has not yet replied to the request. The movie is scheduled to start running Thursday in Thai theaters. In mostly Hindu India, which is also home to 18 million Roman Catholics, Joseph Dias, head of the Catholic Secular Forum, began a hunger strike in downtown Bombay and said other people were joining him. "We want the movie to be banned," he said. The film had been set for release in India on Friday and had already been cleared by the national censor board. But Information and Broadcasting Minister Priya Ranjan Dasmunshi said he put a temporary hold on the movie after receiving more than 200 complaints. "We are a secular country. On any sensitive issue, we should take action after we examine every aspect," Dasmunshi told reporters. In Athens, Greece, some 200 religious protesters, waving crucifixes and Greek flags, demonstrated Tuesday in protest of the film. The protesters -- including Orthodox monks and nuns -- later marched peacefully to parliament. "All religions merit respect, so why don't they show respect in this case instead of attacking all that we hold sacred?" said Athanasios Papageorgiou, president of St. John the Theologian group in Peania, east of Athens. "I've read the book. It's despicable," he added. "The Muslims for one cartoon burnt anything, so what should we do?" Greece's powerful Orthodox Church has blasted the "ridiculous content" of the movie but stopped short of calling for its boycott. Philippine censors approved an adult rating for the movie but stopped short of rating it "X" because "it does not constitute a clear, express or direct attack on the Catholic church or religion" and does not libel or defame any person. The movie-review panel's chairwoman, Marissa Laguardia, told The Associated Press that the movie would be a "test of faith" for many people in the predominantly Roman Catholic Philippines. "Those groups, like the conservatives who want it banned, maybe they can tell their friends, discourage their friends from watching it," she said. "But it has to be shown. Otherwise we will be the only country that will not show this film. Thirty-six countries have already reviewed this film and they have not banned it. So are we just out of the Stone Age?" The National Council of Churches in Singapore, which also had requested a ban, planned lectures to refute aspects of the film and the book on which it is based. The censorship board gave the movie an NC16 rating, barring viewers under 16, arguing that "only a mature audience will be able to discern and differentiate between fact and fiction." Also, while not planning a protest or boycott, members of the National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation expressed unhappiness with the film's heavy, a monk-assassin, being an albino, as described in the book. Michael McGowan, an albino who heads the organization, said "The Da Vinci Code" will be the 68th movie since 1960 to feature an evil albino. The "Da Vinci" character "is just the latest in a long string," McGowan said. "The problem is there has been no balance. There are no realistic, sympathetic or heroic characters with albinism that you can find in movies or popular culture." He said the group aims to use the movie's popularity to raise awareness about the realities of albinism. People with albinism have little or no pigmentation in their skin, eyes and hair.

religion, mans biggest bullshit invention..........

Canadian book store run by stupid cowards:

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Indigo pulls controversial Harper's off the shelves Canada's largest retail bookseller has removed all copies of the June issue of Harper's Magazine from its 260 stores, claiming an article by New York cartoonist Art Spiegelman could foment protests similar to those that occurred this year in reaction to the publication in a Danish newspaper of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed. Indigo Books and Music took the action this week when its executives noticed that the 10-page Harper's article, titled Drawing Blood, reproduced all 12 cartoons first published last September by Jyllands-Posten (The Morning Newspaper). The article also contains five cartoons, including one by Mr. Spiegelman and two by Israelis, �inspired� by an Iranian newspaper's call in February for an international Holocaust cartoon contest �to test the limits of Western tolerance of free speech.� It's unclear what part, if any, the five cartoons played in the Indigo ban; phone calls to its Toronto headquarters were not returned yesterday. In 2001, Indigo founder and CEO Heather Reisman ordered all copies of Adolph Hitler's Mein Kampf pulled from stores, describing the book as �hate literature.� Two years later, she helped found the powerful lobby group the Canadian Council for Israel and Jewish Advocacy. In a memo obtained by The Globe and Mail that was e-mailed to Indigo managers yesterday about �what to do if customers question Indigo's censorship� of Harper's, employees are told to say that �the decision was made based on the fact that the content about to be published has been known to ignite demonstrations around the world. Indigo [and its subsidiaries] Chapters and Coles will not carry this particular issue of the magazine but will continue to carry other issues of this publication in the future.� Indigo normally carries as many as 3,000 copies each month of Harper's, about 11 per cent of the New York magazine's total retail distribution in Canada, according to a Harper's circulations manager. Harper's publisher John MacArthur said he was �genuinely shocked� by Indigo's action, in part because two large U.S. chains, Borders and Waldenbooks, are selling the issue. (Three months ago, both chains yanked a small U.S. publication, Free Inquiry, when it reproduced four of the Danish cartoons. That Free Inquiry issue with the cartoons is currently on sale at Indigo.) �I'd expect an American company to do this, not a Canadian,� Mr. MacArthur said yesterday. �Even though you have tougher libel laws than us and your own versions of political correctness, to my mind [Canada] has always been a freer place for political discourse.� The U.S. news media have become �terribly prone to self-censorship,� especially after the events of Sept. 11, 2001, he said. �There's a more wide open debate [in Canada] than in America.� Mr. MacArthur said Harper's decided to publish the Spiegelman article because �we really wanted to expand the conversation� about the role of cartoons and the contours of free expression and not just to say, �So there.'� In the article, Mr. Spiegelman � perhaps best known as the creator of the Pulitzer-Prize-winning Holocaust cartoon Maus � rates each of the 12 Mohammed cartoons on a scale of 1 to 4 �fatwa bombs,� and also includes several scabrous cartoons from the 19th and 20th centuries.The Jyllands-Posten publication offended many Muslims, who believe any imagery of the Prophet Mohammed to be idolatrous and blasphemous, and sparked a world-wide debate over the rights and limits of free speech.

(Source)

All I have to say on this thread is:

Freedom Of Speech. Period.

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Originally posted by kamil religion, mans biggest bullshit invention..........

"it's all about who has a better imaginary friend"

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Originally posted by Magnetonium All I have to say on this thread is: Freedom Of Speech. Period.

^

then how come i cant talk about the holocaust ????

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Originally posted by qussay ^ then how come i cant talk about the holocaust ????

What's to talk about?? It happened, millions were killed, what is to talk about. Unless you are one of those that think it did not happen...

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