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ah man Israel WHAT are you doing? i really wouldn't have a problem with this whole little war except for the fact that israel dominates the shit out of everyone in the region with weapons our good ole Boys on the hill felt the need to sell...oh yeah and using white phosphorous...and killing like 1500 Palestinians and losing not that many of their own...
seriously how can israel expect to get out of this one?
For a good laugh- from a Jewish sketch comedy show like SNL, a parody of the BBC's Gaza media bias:
Why are they laughing when the war's done so much damage to the peace process? Because: There is no peace process. There'll never be peace with Hamas, and they know it.
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| Originally posted by diesel_tron3000 ah man Israel WHAT are you doing? i really wouldn't have a problem with this whole little war except for the fact that israel dominates the shit out of everyone in the region with weapons our good ole Boys on the hill felt the need to sell...oh yeah and using white phosphorous...and killing like 1500 Palestinians and losing not that many of their own... seriously how can israel expect to get out of this one? |
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr!
Its getting out of hand everywhere. Even on Facebook. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7827293.stm
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A propaganda war is being waged on the internet between supporters of the Israeli and Palestinian sides in the current conflict in the Gaza Strip.
Activists have turned to defacing websites, taking over computers, and shutting down Facebook groups.
US Military sites, Nato, and an Israeli Bank have all been targeted.
Experts have warned users to be on the lookout for phishing emails and webmasters to ensure their servers are secure.
The hacking of security barriers for political or ideological reasons has been branded by some as hacktivism. And it is thought that as use of the internet grows, so too will the number of attacks.
Defaced
On 7 January, pro-Palestinian hackers defaced several high-profile websites, including a US Army website, and the Nato Parliamentary Assembly's website.
Calling themselves "Agd_Scorp/Peace Crew", they replaced pages with white space and a well-known photograph of a boy throwing stones at an Israeli tank in Gaza, and the Israeli, American and British flags with a red strike through them.
"Stop attacks u israel and usa ! you cursed nations ! one day muslims will clean the world from you!" wrote the hackers.
Dwight Griswold, the Nato Parliamentary Assembly's head of IT, says that the attackers persisted in attempting access for a number of days following the initial attack, adding that the intruders did not gain access to any of the Assembly's internal servers.
"The fact is that it's always a cat and mouse game. There is no system that is impenetrable."
Hackers also hijacked the domain names of Israeli online news site ynetnews.com and the Israel Discount Bank. They rerouted visitors to a page showing anti-Israel messages with images of prisoners being abused in Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
Other approaches appealed to a web user's potential loyalties; a website called www.help-israel-win.com asked visitors to download and install a file that was later determined to be a trojan that could allow for remote access to and control of a computer.
The number of attacks has skyrocketed in Israel in the past few months, said Yoav Keren, chief executive of domain name registry Domain The Net.
"It's clear that it is a result of what happening in Gaza," said Mr Keren. "We see it as part of the war."
Israeli Arab and pro-Palestinian sites have also been targeted. Last year, hackers defaced three websites, replacing pages with the Israeli flag and the symbol of the banned far-right group Kach.
Speaking to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, the manager of news website Arabs48.com Az-a-Din Badran said his site was "constantly suffering from repeated hack attempts".
Facebook fight
The battle also looms large on social networking site Facebook, where dozens of groups related to the conflict in Gaza have sprung up.
Jewish Internet Defence Force
The JIDF say they do not engage in illegal activity
The clash flared up when a group using the logo of the Jewish Internet Defence Force (JIDF) took control of several of these groups.
They removed content and replaced it with statements supporting Israeli policy and criticising the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which controls Gaza, and replaced the groups' images with the JIDF logo.
Andrew Silvera, who is active on several pro-Palestinian groups on Facebook, was one of those targeted. He said that his account was hacked after he responded to a Facebook request from another user, inviting him to be an administrator of a similar group.
"As soon as I clicked it I realized there was something wrong with the link. It wasn't like a normal Facebook group.
"As soon as I pressed it, that was it, my account just vanished," he said. "They kidnapped my account."
Mr Silvera tried to contact Facebook about his account, but told BBC News that he had as yet received no reply.
Francesco Paris started a Facebook group criticising the JIDF's alleged behaviour online after he noticed that a group he wanted to join had been affected.
"I noticed that all of the discussion boards had been taken down, the description of the group had been changed to 'closed' and the tagline said something like 'Israel for life'," he told the BBC.
"The picture had a 'Jewish Internet Defence Force' [image], I had no idea what that was."
After noticing that the content of several other groups had been similarly altered, he started his group.
Mr Paris said that he received Facebook messages that attempted to gather his account login information.
He provided the BBC with a copy of one of these so-called "phishing" emails, which has a link leading to a fake Facebook login page that asks for users login detail.
A spokesperson for the JIDF, who declined to be named, told BBC News that it is an advocacy group that fights anti-Semitism online.
The group would not confirm whether the Facebook groups were shut down by people affiliated with the JIDF.
"We are not hackers. We are also not involved with phishing. We do not break the law for our work," the spokesperson said.
The spokesperson pointed out that one of the groups included anti-Semitic cartoons and graphic images of injured and dead people and criticised Facebook for allowing "hateful, anti-Semitic, racist material and material which promotes Islamic terrorism and violence" to remain on the site.
"Despite thousands of our members reporting offensive material, Facebook does not seem to act."
Hacked NATO site
Nato's Parliamentary Assembly site was also targeted
A spokesperson for Facebook said that the firm would not respond to specific alleged incidents, but that they were aware of the phishing attacks.
"We have noticed a couple of instances where a page or a group admin has had their account credentials phished. In such cases, we will reset the passwords on the users' accounts and they should have control again.
"We are just a platform and the discussions that are taking place online are also taking place offline," the Facebook spokesperson added.
"We are not taking sides."
Worse to come
Professor Peter Sommer, a cybercrime expert at the London School of Economics, says that security professionals have come to expect such hacktivism attacks.
"It's been going on for at least 10 years. It's a very obvious form of making a protest," he said.
"It's far more attractive than turning up at an airport or outside an embassy and possibly getting arrested, certainly getting cold and possibly bruised in the process."
Social networking sites like Facebook are usually secure "at a fundamental level", he said, but users must take responsibility for their account's security.
"Unfortunately, security at a personal level is relatively hard work and rather tiresome, but there is no feasible alternative."
Peter Power, who sits on the UK Security Review Commission, said that cyberattacks are commonplace, noting a recent attack aimed at bringing down the whole of the UK's internet infrastructure that was stopped at a late stage.
Hacked Facebook group
Hacked Facebook groups had their descriptions and member lists changed
While not as dramatic as such large-scale attacks, simply redirecting a website to a propaganda message also creates a climate of fear.
"When people penetrate websites - and you see it on your screen - it becomes very personal to you. The fear is�'look, if they can do this, what else can they do?'" he said.
Mr Power emphasised that "the UK government is keenly aware of this [threat]" and has set up the CPNI (Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure) to protect the country's essential services.
The Nato Parliamentary Assembly's Dwight Griswold admitted that although they are embarrassing, he is not overly concerned about the messages hackers put on his organisation's website.
"My more worrisome threat is if someone breaks in and doesn't leave a big message like that."
^^^^ great article
here's another good one:
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| Washington Post, Israels Gaza Gamble This has been a particularly brutal two weeks in the tragic saga of the Palestinian-Israeli dispute. It's not very clear as to what precisely all this death and destruction is supposed to accomplish from an Israeli perspective. The utter defeat of Hamas? There's no consensus that this can accomplished by military means; Hamas is an ideological organization with strong support in Gaza, and their structure is woven into the very fabric of the refugee camps. To cow the civilian population of Gaza into withdrawing their support of Hamas? This is not very likely, especially after the sheer quantity of explosives showered on Gaza like confetti, and their resultant toll on the civilian population. Civilians tend to harden their determination when subjected to a constant diet of explosives, as the Germans learned during the London Blitz in WWII. As an election 'gimmick' to show how 'tough' Israel's leaders can be? Perhaps Israel's leaders have lost all sense of moral and ethical proportion if they believe that bombing an oppressed civilian population and its choice of leadership into a state of total submission following two years of virtual siege is a measure of toughness or lack of 'squeamishness.' To present President-elect Barack Obama with a fait accompli when he is sworn in later this month? A crisis that will force the new administration's hand upon taking office? It would not be the first time an Israeli government has attempted to impose its narrow agenda on an incoming U.S. administration. Whatever the reason, it is a serious gamble, and a gamble without any likely long-term benefits. On the contrary, the long term implications do not benefit the interests of arriving at a final and just settlement to all parties in this dispute, whether Israeli, or Palestinian or Arab. It's certainly a gamble that may change the perspective of Arab governments in their interests in a rapprochement with Israel. There has been for the past few years an offer of peace to Israel by the Arab countries formulated in the Beirut Declaration of March 2002. This offer has so far been gathering dust, unaddressed by Israel, and it could be withdrawn (though this is not really likely.) The pressure from Arab public opinion as a result of this situation may well force the hand of some Arab governments to withdraw their support of this Declaration. To so dramatically reveal the Arab governments' inability to influence anyone at all on the conduct of Israel in Gaza would strengthen the position of Iran and its allies in the region. These are potentially serious consequences. For Israel to gamble with such possibilities is to engage in a serious disservice to their Israeli constituency as well as to their Arab neighbors. Any and all civilian deaths and casualties should be deplored, be they Palestinian or Israeli. Firing homemade rockets into Israeli territory and bombing civilians in Gaza with modern ordinance are both acts that do not advance the cause of peace. Neither will tormenting a quite helpless refugee Palestinian population in Gaza with an economic embargo, nor denying its basic right to some sort of compensation through an overall peace settlement, nor attempting to coerce them into an abject capitulation to Israel's demands. As for Hamas, they exist solely as a result of over 40 years of brutal Israeli occupation over the Palestinians without any recourse to a just settlement that would allow these people to have some sort of choice for their own future. At first the PLO/Fatah represented their interests, but Fatah was not able to deliver, thanks to Israeli intransigence and U.S. complicity. Thanks to a compliant U.S., Israel has an effective Security Council veto on any inconvenient resolution that this international body considers that might in any way restrict actions Israel considers 'appropriate' - which may or may not be abhorrent to the international community. So when a free and open election took place in 2005, Hamas was elected to lead the Palestinian people, not just in Gaza but also in the West Bank. Hamas was brought into power because they are an element just as intransigent, just as doctrinaire and just as hard headed as past Israeli governments have proven to be. The reaction by Israel, the U.S. and Western Europe to this election was, as expected, vociferous. Even the right of the Palestinian people to choose their own leaders, however odious they may be considered, has been denied them. In a cynical display of moral outrage, Israel and the U.S. conspired with Fatah to topple Hamas, through violent means. The end result was that Gaza remained under Hamas control, whereas the West Bank effectively came under Fatah control. In addition Gaza has been under an economic embargo for several years now, causing immeasurable hardship to the Palestinian civilian population, in effect reinforcing a brutal occupation with a state of siege, actions more reminiscent of the excesses of the Middle Ages rather than the 21st century. If Hamas is considered so unsuitable today, 60 years after these Palestinians became refugees, perhaps Israel and its allies should have entered into a sincere and just settlement with more acceptable Palestinian partners decades ago. Possibly one of the more sinister aspects of this tragedy is the clumsy attempt through media 'spin' to portray Israeli civilians as victims in this crisis. When we see on our TV screens and computer monitors the effects of Hamas 'rockets' on Israeli communities, compared to the sheer havoc wreaked by Israeli high explosives on the Gaza urban landscape and its civilian population, the educated and informed can safely put this fiction aside. As of a couple of days ago, in an TV interview with the BBC, Dr. Mars Gilbert at Dar el Shifa hospital in Gaza informed us that the overwhelming majority of casualties he had treated were civilians and that of the 900 casualties that they had so far cared for at Dar el Shifa, 25% of the fatalities and fully 45% of the wounded were women and children. In an article that appeared January 7, 2009 in the UK, Avi Shlaim, a respected Israeli historian and Oxford University scholar, wrote that Israel had become a 'rogue' state, by definition a state that ignores and violates international law at will, has an arsenal of nuclear weapons, and practices terrorism (the use of violence against civilians for political purposes.) In another BBC World interview with another noted Israeli historian, Tom Segev, when posed the question, "After the fighting is over, what should then happen?" answered, "We shall have to talk to Hamas - they may be a terrorist organization, but they are also a political party, a social welfare movement and the elected representatives of the Palestinian people." These educated and informed Israelis are well aware of the fundamental truth of this situation, which is that Israel's long term security, its very survival, relies on making a just and equitable peace with the Palestinians, making peace with the rest of the Arab World, and making the Arabs their best friends as quickly as possible. From an Egyptian perspective, the government is not thrilled that Hamas is in this leadership position with the Palestinian people. They are after all the 'little' brother of Egypt's own Muslim Brotherhood, opponents today of the Egyptian government. Egypt also realizes that Hamas will probably survive this onslaught; their survival will be considered a victory and may well have serious repercussions in the Arab World. In short this Israeli gamble, ill-timed, ill-conceived and ill-advised, may well reinforce and encourage political Islamist ideologues and their extremist elements in the moderate Arab World. If Hamas does not survive, even more extremist elements may replace them in Gaza - elements that have been waiting on the sidelines for just such an opportunity, including al-Qaeda. http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/...aza_gamble.html |
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| Originally posted by The17sss For a good laugh- from a Jewish sketch comedy show like SNL, a parody of the BBC's Gaza media bias: Why are they laughing when the war's done so much damage to the peace process? Because: There is no peace process. There'll never be peace with Hamas, and they know it. |
The IDF is targeting UN facilities and using white phosphorus. Do they not have a competent public relations department?
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| Originally posted by Krypton You find people's destroyed lives funny? |
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| Why are they laughing when the war's done so much damage to the peace process? Because: There is no peace process. There'll never be peace with Hamas, and they know it. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss When did you lose your sense of humor man? The humor is in the parody played against the BBC and their Gaza bias, not in actual destruction of peoples' lives. |
...and here we have Hamas' willingness to use their own people as human shields in a number of large secondary explosions due to large ammo supplies in civilian areas.
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and here we have Hamas' willingness to use their own people as human shields in a number of large secondary explosions due to large ammo supplies in civilian areas. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and here we have Hamas' willingness to use their own people as human shields in a number of large secondary explosions due to large ammo supplies in civilian areas. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and here we have Hamas' willingness to use their own people as human shields in a number of large secondary explosions due to large ammo supplies in civilian areas. |
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| Originally posted by Krypton So broadcasting people's suffering is media bias? Notice how no American media channel broadcasts any American caskets returning from Iraq or Afghanistan. Would you consider that media bias? |
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| Originally posted by The17sss When it's slanted in one direction, definitely. And don't act like American media is all righteous... all they do is show doom and gloom because sensationalism gets ratings. They may not show the caskets, but they show murder and rape stories about 1000x more than positive stories. |
when a third party newspaper shows an Israeli woman in a state of fear because of rocket alarm right next to a palestinian women who lost 5 children and tries to equate their suffering, how is this bias on the palestinians favor. I am using this example because it is the run of the mill portrayal of the situation.
Israeli comedy pointing fingers at the BBC, when their own government wont let their own journalists inside...and yet you people eat it up.
what Clovis said is absolutely true, and the sad thing is is that the Israelis know this.
Ban Ki Moon has already condemned Olmert/Livni/Baraks' actions, and the Rogue state of Israel wont do anything about it. They have proven their invincibility with recent events.
I motion to disband Israel of their nucleur weapons stockpile, since they have no regard for the UN, the UN and all affiliate organizations should have no acceptance of their stockpile.
As for what Krypton said, i know there are 2 reporters + crew for the english channel, they scared shitless right now, Israel might just wipe them out and say it was collateral damage.
nonetheless it seems that they are in a once in a lifetime opurtunity to report, thats what journalism is all about imo
Israel has killed more of Hamas's top figures in the past few days.
Anyone issuing a fatwa on the state of Israel won't be spared.
Go Israel! Show the world how to properly combat global terrorism 
this will not end well.... and its sad that the "rotten to the core HATE" that has invaded both sides is going to win out and many will die....and why again?? Whats the core Reason Why??
Once there's a big enough stranglehold on the terrorist-loving Iranian government perhaps some of the hate will go away.
The Arab countries have been trying to put forth a ceasefire while Iran is constantly encouraging for the battle to rage on:
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=15396
"Ahmadinejad said, �It is unfortunate to see a number of Islamic and Arab governments in the region condone this unprecedented genocide with their silence and smiles of satisfaction�. But the question here is: what has Iran done for Gaza? Its Supreme Leader issued a fatwa against any suicide bombers going to Gaza and Saeed Jalili pledged that Hezbollah would not get involved in the battle.
Meanwhile, Ahmadinejad�s Syrian ally has his own land occupied and shares a long border [with Israel], so why hasn�t it been opened so that Iranian suicide bombers could be dispatched from there? In actual fact, the Syrian said on Wednesday that he agreed that weapons should not be smuggled into Gaza and that there should be a halt to rockets being launched, so how can Egypt be accused of treachery? And why haven�t the Qataris closed the Israeli trade office in Doha?
That was not enough for Ahmadinejad; he published a letter to the Saudi monarch on his website saying, �It is expected of you to break your silence on the catastrophic events and on the murder of your children.� All I can say is look who�s talking!
It was King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz who brought the Palestinians together in Mecca whereas Iran and its allies are the ones who pushed Hamas to violate the agreement and carry out the coup in Gaza.
It was King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz who told the Palestinians in Mecca, �Do not destroy yourselves and destroy us,� whereas Ahmadinejad and his allies destroyed the Palestinians, divided the Palestinian rank and caused the split. They are responsible for the bloodshed of innocent people in Gaza."
They are responsible for the bloodshed of innocent people in Gaza.
According to Palestinian Ministry of Health and UN figures as of 12 January, 1,024 Palestinians have been killed and 3,860 have been injured. Of those killed, at least 670 have been reported as civilians and among them are: 4 UN and 13 medical workers, 4 journalists, 311 children, 78 women, and 97 elderly people. Of the 4,250 injured: 1,497 are children, 626 are women, and 30 are medical workers. Among the civilians killed in the Gaza Strip were also two foreigners, a Ukrainian woman and her child. The number of children fatalities is said to have increased by 250% since the beginning of the ground operation on 3 January.
A total of 15 people had been killed by Qassam rockets since attacks began in 2001.
Disgusting.
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| Originally posted by Krypton Why is reporting from the Gaza Strip slanted in one direction? Who is getting bombed and blockaded here? It isn't Israel. In fact, Israel has not allowed any foreign reporters into the Gaza, so in fact, Israel is the one slanting the news coming out from the war zone. Lucky for al-Jazeera, they already had a few reporters in the war zone before it erupted, so they are the only ones broadcasting from inside Gaza, lucky for them, and lucky for their viewers who get to see the reality of war, without it being censored in the interests of Zionist aparteid. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss GAAAAAHH! stop acting like Hamas didn't provoke this shit knowing damn well what would happen! Israelis aren't blood thirsty zombies. They do not call for the destruction of the Palestinians in their charter like Hamas does for all Israelis. And stop going back to the blockade point as the end all be all for justification. |
"Elite" Hamas unit destroyed, with little effort on the IDF's part-
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| The so-called "Iranian Unit" of Hamas has been destroyed, according to Gaza sources cited Thursday by the Haaretz daily. The sources said most of the unit's 100 members were killed in fighting in the Zeytun neighborhood of Gaza City. The terrorists had been trained in infantry tactics, the use of anti-tank missiles and the detonation of explosives, among other skills, by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard at Hizbullah camps in Lebanon's Beka�a Valley, as well as sites in Iran. |
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| Two captured terrorists interviewed by Maariv/NRG say that Hamas was not expecting Israel's response to the escalation in missile attacks on Israeli targets that preceded Operation Cast Lead. One of them, a 52-year-old victim of a premature detonation who had already done time in an Israeli jail, said, "Hamas took a gamble. We thought, at worst Israel will come and do something from the air - something superficial. They'll come in and go out. We never thought that we would reach the point where fear will swallow the heart and the feet will want to flee. You [Israel] are fighting like you fought in '48. What got into you all of a sudden?" |
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| Originally posted by DJ Damerchi "this shit" which was indeed provoked by Hamas has been condemned by the UN. Why don't the staunch Israel supporters drop the Hamas is fucked Ahmadinejad is fucked arguements for a second(we get it), and come up with some defenses for how they are ignoring the UN and by ignoring, i mean blowing up their shit. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss GAAAAAHH! stop acting like Hamas didn't provoke this shit knowing damn well what would happen! Israelis aren't blood thirsty zombies. They do not call for the destruction of the Palestinians in their charter like Hamas does for all Israelis. And stop going back to the blockade point as the end all be all for justification. |
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