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And technically I pulled godwins law first when i mentioned nazi eugenics... or does it only apply to hitler?

While you guys have all these pretty cold opinions just remember this: The people after suicide shouldn't be criticized for being selfish. Dead people don't care.

I was gonna write something long but fuk it.

Yes I am hurt by it. No I did not want him to suffer and I knew exactly all the reasons why he chose to end his life before I got a "summary" of his note. He never got over his best friends death - it affected him till his last breath. So maybe that is why he put my name first on his suicide note? He knew it would be hard for me. I have no doubt about it. I stopped being friends with him for 4 months when he last attempted to OD on pills. Years before this.


He planned this for months. The signs were there. I just thought he was being a nice and sweet friend bringing up memories "It made me remember all the good times we had after that, and we had so many" - and right before he passed, that's exactly what he was doing. Looking at old videos of him and his friends.

I really wish he was around a little bit longer so he can see me graduate from his old college too . I had to accept why he did this but I still think he and I had more memories to be made. So yes.. I am hurt and will be hurt. It was totally and completely unexpected.. and Nou - he was receiving help. He just already made his decision.

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Originally posted by jennypie What the fuck are you talking about? That's common knowledge, right out of my psych nursing text AND as witnessed working in the mental hospital. Call me a moron all you want, but any person in the mental health field will tell you the same thing. My post has nothing to do with Jay, idiot. Get fucked.

I think people who commit suicide mention it first before finally doing it, it is a cry for help not necessary looking for attention when their cry for help isn't answered they then finally do it. But there are factors like if you killed someone or did a crime that will send you to prison you might skip the cry for help and just do it without letting anyone know but I don't have the education you have in this issue so I feel I can be wrong. But a cry for help can be more than a post of TA, it can be withdrawal from friends and family and basically things people don't fully notice until the person is dead. Basically a cry for help is vast and much more than a letter or telling someone you are going to kill yourself.

nou is a virgin retard. Shut the fuck up already and go grease your bald head. Nobody cares about your opinions because you haven't lived a moment of life yet.

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Originally posted by EricB. nou is a virgin retard. Shut the fuck up already and go grease your bald head. Nobody cares about your opinions because you haven't lived a moment of life yet.

Yes, and the way people attempt to cry out can also lead to self-justification for actually going through with it. They might not be making themselves obvious enough so when people do not respond its their justification. "No one cares to help me, so I should just end it."

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Originally posted by Lews Yeah. It's a good thing Hitler didn't commit suicide earlier. That would have been fucking selfish of him

He was a sensitive man, of course he didn't

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Originally posted by EricB. nou is a virgin retard. Shut the fuck up already and go grease your bald head. Nobody cares about your opinions because you haven't lived a moment of life yet.

An Italian talking about someone else greasing their head. Shut the fuck up wop.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Yes, and the way people attempt to cry out can also lead to self-justification for actually going through with it. They might not be making themselves obvious enough so when people do not respond its their justification. "No one cares to help me, so I should just end it."

Have you ever experienced suicide other then the time you peed glowing neon yellow when you ODed on vitamn E pills you purchased off the web thinking they were penis enlargement pills?

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Originally posted by EricB. Have you ever experienced suicide other then the time you peed glowing neon yellow when you ODed on vitamn E pills you purchased off the web thinking they were penis enlargement pills?

Did you read this thread or are you just lamely trolling?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby An Italian talking about someone else greasing their head. Shut the fuck up wop.

we grease our hair, there's a difference.

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu I think people who commit suicide mention it first before finally doing it, it is a cry for help not necessary looking for attention when their cry for help isn't answered they then finally do it. But there are factors like if you killed someone or did a crime that will send you to prison you might skip the cry for help and just do it without letting anyone know but I don't have the education you have in this issue so I feel I can be wrong. But a cry for help can be more than a post of TA, it can be withdrawal from friends and family and basically things people don't fully notice until the person is dead. Basically a cry for help is vast and much more than a letter or telling someone you are going to kill yourself.

A cry for help is a cry for help, I was never arguing against that.

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Originally posted by EricB. Have you ever experienced suicide other then the time you peed glowing neon yellow when you ODed on vitamn E pills you purchased off the web thinking they were penis enlargement pills?

I love taking B complex to help me study but I hate how yellow it makes my pee

Damn u body for not absorbing enough of it!

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Originally posted by EricB. we grease our hair, there's a difference.

How do you make a wop gay? Light his hair on fire.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Did you read this thread or are you just lamely trolling?

ya i read it, your uncle committed suicide back in like 1958, back before your uncle jim even cockblocked your father's game.

Listen nou, you havent experienced shit. My mom lost a sister too in a car accident when they were kids, does that mean i know what its like to lose a sister???? no.

shut the fuck up, and sit down

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Originally posted by EricB. ya i read it, your uncle committed suicide back in like 1958, back before your uncle jim even cockblocked your father's game. Listen nou, you havent experienced shit. My mom lost a sister too in a car accident when they were kids, does that mean i know what its like to lose a sister???? no. shut the fuck up, and sit down

Thats not even close to the same thing. Suicide is about the aftermath. The dead person no longer counts. They are dead. Pointless, gone, forgotten. What they leave in their wake is still very much there and I have experienced that first hand.

So, please, you shut up and sit down, because you are just being stupid.

Imo, not the actual thoughts about suicide are crucial. It is the actions that led to that situation in the first place. Most of the suiciders have absolutely fixable reasons behind their thoughts of killing themselves. A break-up with a gf is not a viable reason, nor is, for example, not being very active in the society and staying in home constantly. When you can't control your actions and you end in a situation that is forcing (?) you to put an end to your life, this is entirely your problem. People that are indeed in such a shit situation in life (being desperately ill, completely forgotten, crushed from all sides) can and actually deserve to end their misery. But for f'ck sake, ending a relationship or something similar is not that kind of situation. Probably 95% of the suicides or threats to suicide in the western societies could've been avoided if those people weren't so unreasonable behind their actions and actually worked on fixing the problem. There is (almost) always a solution.

/my 2c

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Thats not even close to the same thing. Suicide is about the aftermath. The dead person no longer counts. They are dead. Pointless, gone, forgotten. What they leave in their wake is still very much there and I have experienced that first hand. So, please, you shut up and sit down, because you are just being stupid.

I didn't read much of the thread and I am sorry for your uncle but do you feel for him? Like, why he did this? It takes alot of strength to commit suicide.. and guts. Wow - I can't imagine it!


I cry alot because I miss Raul and because I am pms'ing (lol). So when you have Raul's fav dj at a party I went to Friday - Rank 1.. and I couldn't even get through the breakdown of his very first song . Then, the next night you have Markus playing @ Trance Energy dropping Rank 1 - Breathing (raul's fav track at raul's fav party.. we all know how much he loved TE - even MARKUS!) of course I'm gonna have an emo-fied weekend.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Thats not even close to the same thing. Suicide is about the aftermath. The dead person no longer counts. They are dead. Pointless, gone, forgotten. What they leave in their wake is still very much there and I have experienced that first hand. So, please, you shut up and sit down, because you are just being stupid.

you're the one being a retard acting all bumhurt by your uncles death who you never met. You're mom knows the pain, You know shit.


Oh i see my mom cry waaaaaaaa


i see my mom cry too, the lady has been through alot but that doesnt mean i know shit about how she feels or can give my opinion on it.

you want to ask someone ask mel who experienced it first hand very recently.

fuckin twat

Are you seriously flaming over such a sensitive subject for a lot of people, here? Pain and its experience being a relative sum kind of negates a need for one-ups-man-ship. I think the only people who have experienced more than me and whose opinions I might value more are soldiers who have been exposed to combat, then civilians who have suffered loss by natural disaster, then war, and then torture victims.

But, seriously, flaming someone because he's relaying his experience with the familial aftermath of a suicide? Come on, man. Regardless of what other differences you might have, maybe this thread isn't the best place for such blunt and ostensibly childish replies.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Are you seriously flaming over such a sensitive subject for a lot of people, here? Pain and its experience being a relative sum kind of negates a need for one-ups-man-ship. I think the only people who have experienced more than me and whose opinions I might value more are soldiers who have been exposed to combat, then civilians who have suffered loss by natural disaster, then war, and then torture victims. But, seriously, flaming someone because he's relaying his experience with the familial aftermath of a suicide? Come on, man. Regardless of what other differences you might have, maybe this thread isn't the best place for such blunt and ostensibly childish replies.

if it was any other forum user id shut up and speak his mind. But nou speaks his mind on shit he knows nothing about, ALL THE FUCKIN TIME. i think this is a perfect thread for telling him to shut the fuck up because like you said its a very sensitive issue that he knows fuck all about.

ive experienced 2 suicides in my family. You don't hear me running my mouth. One with a distant cousin i barely knew, he died playing chicken with a train when i was a kid and one very recently, who i have to say if im going to die, i want to do it the same exact way.

nou knows fuck all about anything and he really needs to watch what the fuck he says when he states opinions on things he knows nothing about *cough* DA

Nou is a royal twat who enjoys being one. So telling him off seems to be a waste of time. Out of respect of DA/Melly I've tried to do my best to say as little as possible. This isn't the right place to have an intellectual debate about suicide. Take it to the PPD section if you need to prove your intellectual prowess.

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Originally posted by EricB. you're the one being a retard acting all bumhurt by your uncles death who you never met. You're mom knows the pain, You know shit. Oh i see my mom cry waaaaaaaa i see my mom cry too, the lady has been through alot but that doesnt mean i know shit about how she feels or can give my opinion on it. you want to ask someone ask mel who experienced it first hand very recently. fuckin twat

I think some of that grease is frying on your brain cause that made no sense at all.

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Originally posted by EricB. if it was any other forum user id shut up and speak his mind. But nou speaks his mind on shit he knows nothing about, ALL THE FUCKIN TIME. i think this is a perfect thread for telling him to shut the fuck up because like you said its a very sensitive issue that he knows fuck all about. ive experienced 2 suicides in my family. You don't hear me running my mouth. One with a distant cousin i barely knew, he died playing chicken with a train when i was a kid and one very recently, who i have to say if im going to die, i want to do it the same exact way. nou knows fuck all about anything and he really needs to watch what the fuck he says when he states opinions on things he knows nothing about *cough* DA

I've read the last few pages of the thread and just want to get what everyone's arguing with Joss over before I actually take a side in this:

Joss: Suicide is a selfish act that has far-reaching consequences for the victim's loved ones.

Everyone else: Suicide is an understandable act and its victim is sometimes better off and people, even loved ones left in the aftermath, ought to be able to understand this, Joss, you clueless cvnt.

I realize this is a drastic over-simplification leaving out some rather insensitive and tactless things Joss, himself, has posted, but... I really want to make sure I have a basic yet accurate understanding before I continue.

EDIT: Are my assumptions correct or is there something more than that?

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Originally posted by EricB. if it was any other forum user id shut up and speak his mind. But nou speaks his mind on shit he knows nothing about, ALL THE FUCKIN TIME. i think this is a perfect thread for telling him to shut the fuck up because like you said its a very sensitive issue that he knows fuck all about. ive experienced 2 suicides in my family. You don't hear me running my mouth. One with a distant cousin i barely knew, he died playing chicken with a train when i was a kid and one very recently, who i have to say if im going to die, i want to do it the same exact way. nou knows fuck all about anything and he really needs to watch what the fuck he says when he states opinions on things he knows nothing about *cough* DA

Yes, I know nothing about it because it happened in my family. I also have friends who have had friends kill themselves and friends usually are able to recoup a lot quicker than family. The bonds of friendship are often weaker than they appear to be Eric, and are more easily severed in tragic circumstances.


And Eric, your family members didnt commit suicide, they were obviously stupid gino wops who did something stupid and got themselves killed. That is not even close to the same thing.

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