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Originally posted by Zharen The more things change, the more they stay the same... I can not believe this. The whole fuckin' Gulf of Mexico is contaminated and yet they say there's still no evidence that offshore drilling is of any threat to this country. And Jindal is a fucking hypocrite. Crying so much for federal aid and yet still siding with the oil companies. Typical Republican douchebag. Man, I haven't had any National pride for this pathetic country since 2000.

What's the problem here? When a plane crashes do we ground every flight until the situation has been cleared up? The moratorium for the entire industry to stop drilling for 6 months is reactionary bullshit and if left in tact would kill between 40,000 and 120,000 U.S. jobs. It costs around $300,000 per day to lease one of those rigs, and they'll pull up stakes and head to Brazil or whatever and still drill. The Russians, Venezuelans, Cubans, Vietnamese, Brazillians, etc. are all still drilling in the gulf and Caribbean full steam ahead.

God it annoys me when people say Jindal is a hypocrite over this issue. Why, because he wants a less bloated, more efficient government? First of all, he is not "siding with oil companies" at all- show me where he is. Secondly, his anger is that the Federal government is too slow in allowing his own state to help itself, with all the hoops he has to jump through to get permits and approvals for everything; he had thousands of people standing around waiting to get to work, but big government red tape was keeping them back. The Federal govt also has had a plan in place, their responsibility, since 1994 for something like this, and they did nothing according to that plan even though it was pre-approved!

Dude, the Federal government forced 16 barges that were sucking up thousands of gallons of oil per day to shut down for a full day last week because they needed to confirm enough life vests were on board first. And Jindal has no right to be pissed!?

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BP said in a statement Monday that costs from the disaster now total about $2 billion, including the cost of the response, containment, relief well drilling, grants to Gulf states, claims paid and federal costs. To date, more than 65,000 claims have been submitted and more than 32,000 payments totaling more than $105 million have been made, the company said.

105,000,000 / 32,000 = 3,281

So say one of those claims was a shrimping company, you think that 3k is anywhere near the amount they'd be making? Ok so maybe it's a sliding scale maybe there are some claims for $60 for something small right and some 40k claims from businesses, of course their going to satisfy the $60 claim, after all it's $60.

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Government estimates indicate as much as 60,000 barrels (2.5 million gallons) of oil may be flowing into the Gulf every day, and the gusher has already taken a serious toll on tourism and the fishing industry in Gulf Coast states. ... BP said Tuesday it had collected 25,830 barrels -- 1.08 million gallons -- of oil from the gushing undersea well over the past 24 hours. The amount is the most ever collected; the previous record was set Thursday when 25,290 barrels were collected.

A - government is grossly overestimating the leak
B - BP is capturing half of what the government is estimating
C - who publishes this shit? they all lying to us anyways, we're fucked!
D - Hurricane in the gulf, lighting strikes it, we now have a FIRECANE and...we're fucked

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Originally posted by The17sss What's the problem here? When a plane crashes do we ground every flight until the situation has been cleared up? The moratorium for the entire industry to stop drilling for 6 months is reactionary bullshit and if left in tact would kill between 40,000 and 120,000 U.S. jobs. It costs around $300,000 per day to lease one of those rigs, and they'll pull up stakes and head to Brazil or whatever and still drill. The Russians, Venezuelans, Cubans, Vietnamese, Brazillians, etc. are all still drilling in the gulf and Caribbean full steam ahead. God it annoys me when people say Jindal is a hypocrite over this issue. Why, because he wants a less bloated, more efficient government? First of all, he is not "siding with oil companies" at all- show me where he is. Secondly, his anger is that the Federal government is too slow in allowing his own state to help itself, with all the hoops he has to jump through to get permits and approvals for everything; he had thousands of people standing around waiting to get to work, but big government red tape was keeping them back. The Federal govt also has had a plan in place, their responsibility, since 1994 for something like this, and they did nothing according to that plan even though it was pre-approved! Dude, the Federal government forced 16 barges that were sucking up thousands of gallons of oil per day to shut down for a full day last week because they needed to confirm enough life vests were on board first. And Jindal has no right to be pissed!?

You can not compare a plane crash to that of destroying an entire ecosystem, the likes that are affecting 4 states. Has the federal govt been slow in responding to this crisis? Yes, I agree. I'm sure all the bureaucratic red tape has significantly slowed the recovery process in the Gulf. But if a certain action or process has caused this much destruction, both physically and economically, why, I repeat, WHY would you continue it? At least the Katrina disaster wasn't man-made, this one is. If Louisianians think they can just return to their way of life before the rig exploded, then they got another thing coming to them. If anything, this proves how dangerous off-shore oil drilling is. It needs to be highly regulated, and it needs to be carefully examined if we are to allow this process to continue. Sorry if I choose a healthy, hospitable environment to live in over job growth.

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Originally posted by Zharen You can not compare a plane crash to that of destroying an entire ecosystem, the likes that are affecting 4 states. Has the federal govt been slow in responding to this crisis? Yes, I agree. I'm sure all the bureaucratic red tape has significantly slowed the recovery process in the Gulf. But if a certain action or process has caused this much destruction, both physically and economically, why, I repeat, WHY would you continue it? At least the Katrina disaster wasn't man-made, this one is. If Louisianians think they can just return to their way of life before the rig exploded, then they got another thing coming to them. If anything, this proves how dangerous off-shore oil drilling is. It needs to be highly regulated, and it needs to be carefully examined if we are to allow this process to continue. Sorry if I choose a healthy, hospitable environment to live in over job growth.

This.

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Originally posted by The17sss What's the problem here? When a plane crashes do we ground every flight until the situation has been cleared up? ...

Have you not read or seen that the major oil companies all have the SAME clean-up plan - sometimes 100% word for word? They don't have a plan to clean up another mess with any sort of efficacy, should it occur, again.

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Originally posted by Zharen You can not compare a plane crash to that of destroying an entire ecosystem, the likes that are affecting 4 states. Has the federal govt been slow in responding to this crisis? Yes, I agree. I'm sure all the bureaucratic red tape has significantly slowed the recovery process in the Gulf. But if a certain action or process has caused this much destruction, both physically and economically, why, I repeat, WHY would you continue it? At least the Katrina disaster wasn't man-made, this one is. If Louisianians think they can just return to their way of life before the rig exploded, then they got another thing coming to them. If anything, this proves how dangerous off-shore oil drilling is. It needs to be highly regulated, and it needs to be carefully examined if we are to allow this process to continue. Sorry if I choose a healthy, hospitable environment to live in over job growth.

You made an excellent point- this proves how dangerous offshore drilling is. Which is why we should ask why the hell we are that far out drilling, in that deep of water. In shallow water, it could have been capped. On land, we wouldn't have this problem. But this is the ironic consequence of irrational environmental policy (combined with irresponsibility by BP and the entities who monitor them of course). How rediculous is it, honestly, that we can't drill in Alaska's ANWR which is a barren tundra the size of South Carolina... and the portion of that where drilling would occur is about a square mile in size?

But I do understand what you're saying man. Of course that kind of stuff should be highly regulated, I totally agree. There were serious failures in doing so for this particular rig, including safety inspections that were rubber stamped and passed over; reports coming out now of warnings and problems weeks before the explosion that were not attended to- a major dereliction of duty by many people on both sides. However, shutting down ALL 33 deep water rigs in the Gulf, plus ones off Alaska's coast (wtf?)? I'm sorry but if you think there is economic strain now on the tourism and fishing industries, what do you think will happen to the local economies when tens of thousands of additional people go out of work because of the moritorium... people working for other companies/rigs who have nothing to do with BP? Almost 20% of Louisana's state GDP comes from that industry. If we're going to shut them down, why not shut down the oil tankers that are cris-crossing our waters constantly too, which are even more spill prone than rigs? This is the same kind of overreaction that shut down nuclear power plant building over 30 years ago. I'm all for regulation man, and comprehensive safety measures... but they need to be fully attended to.

Environmentally speaking, yes it's awful. On the bright side, when the Exxon Valdez incident fucked up the fragile ecosystem in Alaska, experts said it would take a generation to become whole again. It took less than 10 years.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Have you not read or seen that the major oil companies all have the SAME clean-up plan - sometimes 100% word for word? They don't have a plan to clean up another mess with any sort of efficacy, should it occur, again.

Yes... and BP had something like 300 or so violations in the past couple of years, while Exxon had 2 and Chevron had 1. I would hope they are learning from this experience. Perhaps next time, for example, we won't turn away Holland's offer to send a bunch of skimmers 3 days after the explosion.

i agree with 17sss here. those kooky environmentalists are to be blamed for this oil spill



HEY-Y-Y-Y, WAIT A SECOND

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Have you not read or seen that the major oil companies all have the SAME clean-up plan - sometimes 100% word for word? They don't have a plan to clean up another mess with any sort of efficacy, should it occur, again.

And their emergency contact number was a Dr. who has been dead for 5 years.

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Originally posted by The17sss What's the problem here? When a plane crashes do we ground every flight until the situation has been cleared up?

Atleast keep your analogies relative for god's sake. You think that the effects of this and a plane crash are the same? Could a single plane crash detroy the gulf? Name one other industry, other than the nuclear industry, where a relativley small fuck up like this would yeild this great an effect. Plane crash

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Atleast keep your analogies relative for god's sake. You think that the effects of this and a plane crash are the same? Could a single plane crash detroy the gulf? Name one other industry, other than the nuclear industry, where a relativley small fuck up like this would yeild this great an effect. Plane crash

Agreed.


This is so depressing I can't read about it anymore. I usually never say this, but ignorance is bliss. I'll just keep doing what I can. Riding my bike, encouraging others to do so, and hope for the best. Really makes you question a lot about our society.

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Originally posted by The17sss Yes... and BP had something like 300 or so violations in the past couple of years, while Exxon had 2 and Chevron had 1. I would hope they are learning from this experience. Perhaps next time, for example, we won't turn away Holland's offer to send a bunch of skimmers 3 days after the explosion.

It really is amazing that no matter the magnitude of the problem facing America, there is a 99% chance it will be turned into a political football and mucked to the gills in willful dishonesty and internecine quarrelsomeness. We'll choke on bullshit cookies before we're ever hit by a giant asteroid our politicians are arguing about. It really is quite pathetic.

offshore drilling needs to be banned until proper contingecy plans are developed. Thats it theres no debating about it. We cannot afford to have another disaster like the one that is ongoing. I don't doubt that its over 100,000 bpd.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Atleast keep your analogies relative for god's sake. You think that the effects of this and a plane crash are the same? Could a single plane crash detroy the gulf? Name one other industry, other than the nuclear industry, where a relativley small fuck up like this would yeild this great an effect. Plane crash

Yes, if it crashed into an oil rig.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Atleast keep your analogies relative for god's sake. You think that the effects of this and a plane crash are the same? Could a single plane crash detroy the gulf? Name one other industry, other than the nuclear industry, where a relativley small fuck up like this would yeild this great an effect. Plane crash

Name 1? How about DDT. Millions of malaria deaths because it was needlessly banned over utter bullshit.

Anyway my analogy is relative. Shutting down an entire industry because of irresponsibility by one company is rediculous. I'm not advocating for no rules or regs man; the "all or nothing" approach is for amatures. Airplane companies also have layers of safety measures that must be rigorously checked and re-checked. If negligence is conducted by Delta on safety precautions that results in a horrible plane crash, U.S. Air shouldn't have to pay the price. Because you see oiled up pelicans on tv, you're thinking with your emotions. Shutting down the remaining oil drilling industry will DESTROY the economy and untold amounts of jobs. Those people wouldn't just be off for 6 months... the rigs will pull up and move to other locations, and most of the regular workers will not get those jobs back. Are you fine with that?

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Originally posted by The17sss Name 1? How about DDT. Millions of malaria deaths because it was needlessly banned over utter bullshit. Anyway my analogy is relative. Shutting down an entire industry because of irresponsibility by one company is rediculous. I'm not advocating for no rules or regs man; the "all or nothing" approach is for amatures. Airplane companies also have layers of safety measures that must be rigorously checked and re-checked. If negligence is conducted by Delta on safety precautions that results in a horrible plane crash, U.S. Air shouldn't have to pay the price. Because you see oiled up pelicans on tv, you're thinking with your emotions. Shutting down the remaining oil drilling industry will DESTROY the economy and untold amounts of jobs. Those people wouldn't just be off for 6 months... the rigs will pull up and move to other locations, and most of the regular workers will not get those jobs back. Are you fine with that?

yea i'm ok with that because working on an oil rig is the only job a person can have thus we're fucked but it's more important then say leaking radiation from the ground because billy in ohio fucked up.

get out of here with that, if the oil industry agrees that new guidelines and regulations need to be put in place then shutting down for 6 months should be acceptable. The fact that a rig would even 'pull up' and drill somewhere else is retarded. Hello, I'm sitting on a gold mine right now but my conveyor belt doesn't have a stop button, fuck it im out peace.

cmon now son

you want to talk about plane crash? so because United flew into the twin towers, why the fuck do all the other planes have to land? do I really need to continue plugging the holes of your debate?

What's being said is relative and I think you're trying to fight a point that has a very large awareness right now, an awareness that promotes the rehabilitation of a large ecosystem like the Gulf at the expense of BP and EVERY OTHER OIL COMPANY WORKING IN THE SAME REGION. You can fight this point if its logically justified, but the current state outweighs the detriments of losing a job, by far.

I like how everyone is arguing here as in their opinions really matter.

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Originally posted by The17sss Name 1? How about DDT. Millions of malaria deaths because it was needlessly banned over utter bullshit.

Please.

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Originally posted by The17sss Anyway my analogy is relative. Shutting down an entire industry because of irresponsibility by one company is rediculous.

But still, you don't seem to understand. THe effect of a plane crash and the effect of this oil rig disaster are in no way comparable. Again, a plane crash would not yeild such a destructive capacity on a mjor region. If you ever took statistics or chemistry, think about how you would apply "relative error" to your argument.

And to the other point, yes it would kill some jobs. This is the perfect time to get off of the oil tit. There are jobs in alternative energy.

Fuck it, nuke the south too. People there are too stupid for their own good.

Why did we not let them be their own country in the civil war? Fucking useless lot that contribute nothing and generally are what make the US look the worst.

Gas the fuckheads.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint But still, you don't seem to understand. THe effect of a plane crash and the effect of this oil rig disaster are in no way comparable. Again, a plane crash would not yeild such a destructive capacity on a mjor region. If you ever took statistics or chemistry, think about how you would apply "relative error" to your argument. And to the other point, yes it would kill some jobs. This is the perfect time to get off of the oil tit. There are jobs in alternative energy.

WHAT THE FUCK... I thought you were dead?!

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Originally posted by get nyce The fact that a rig would even 'pull up' and drill somewhere else is retarded. Hello, I'm sitting on a gold mine right now but my conveyor belt doesn't have a stop button, fuck it im out peace. cmon now son

That is exactly what they would do.... pull up and head to Brazil and other areas I mentioned. What makes more sense: that the executives of a rig would sit idle for 6 months paying in excess of $300,000 per day to lease the rig (while simultaneously not producing profit/product), or that they would move to another location where they could make money right now?

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you want to talk about plane crash? so because United flew into the twin towers, why the fuck do all the other planes have to land? do I really need to continue plugging the holes of your debate?

Yeah... planes were grounded for what, 5-7 days? Even with just that, the airline industries almost went under. 6 months is a different story.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Fuck it, nuke the south too. People there are too stupid for their own good. Why did we not let them be their own country in the civil war? Fucking useless lot that contribute nothing and generally are what make the US look the worst. Gas the fuckheads.

Grow the fuck up, Nou.

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Originally posted by enydo Grow the fuck up, Nou.

You'd love the last 20 posts in the Random thread.


Seriously, if you are smart you'd GTFO the south.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You'd love the last 20 posts in the Random thread. Seriously, if you are smart you'd GTFO the south.

Tell me you're not going to be running this shit off in every thread now?

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