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Originally posted by WittyHandle Truth. However you are doing the very same thing against Islam as a whole, you just don't know it.

Thats the difference between Kevin and I... I write narratives, he follows them.

You are just as wrong as the anyone you accuse of doing this. It's too bad because you are actually smart, but you let your hatred of your opponents cloud your mind.

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Originally posted by WittyHandle You are just as wrong as the anyone you accuse of doing this. It's too bad because you are actually smart, but you let your hatred of your opponents cloud your mind.

Or I just like seeing Kevin freak out...

I'm working... get a little bored... Oh Kevin posted something, I'll get a rise out of him... Whip up something reactionary and offensive and post it... Go back to work... bored again an hour later... See what happened.

Its easy entertainment.

As long as you're cool with admitting that you'd rather target one person with negative emotion than reasonably explain your position, and at the same time weaken any support you might otherwise gain from other like minded people here, that's fine.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Or I just like seeing Kevin freak out... I'm working... get a little bored... Oh Kevin posted something, I'll get a rise out of him... Whip up something reactionary and offensive and post it... Go back to work... bored again an hour later... See what happened. Its easy entertainment.

So it's not about a debate. You're simply being a troll.

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Originally posted by Comrade Stalin So it's not about a debate. You're simply being a troll.

About 50/50.

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Originally posted by The17sss Hint: not rednecks. ... Edit: When you can point out the things the Tea Party has done, and what "them crazy Christians" have done that have you so worried, please share.

Rednecks are made up, predominantly, of uneducated inadequates who's means of income is usually a low-level trade like dish-washing. I'm not trying to compliment Muslim radicals, but most of the terrorists have some success in higher-education than your run of the mill racist shit-head.


Funny how I keep reading Arab protest signs with better spelling and grammar than the Tea-Party. The hicks are more dangerous. They might not be as deadly, but their stupidity is corrosive. Talk about "useful idiots".

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Funny how I keep reading Arab protest signs with better spelling and grammar than the Tea-Party.

Like this Democrat union protest a few months back?

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The hicks are more dangerous. They might not be as deadly, but their stupidity is corrosive.

Not as deadly, but more dangerous. Got it. lol

^it's HILARIOUS to see signs like that with such blatant errors. they aren't free, so they've clearly been through quite a few peoples hands. how so many people could miss that is ridiculous

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Ahem, Timothy McVeigh?

This is another misrepresentation that's always circulated. McVeigh hated government, and stated on the record that what he did was because of Clinton allowing the ATF/FBI raid on the WACO compound. He was more of the anarchist persuasion.... he didn't blow up the federal building in the name of religion.

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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights ^it's HILARIOUS to see signs like that with such blatant errors. they aren't free, so they've clearly been through quite a few peoples hands. how so many people could miss that is ridiculous

Actually, it's not the printer's responsibility to proof-read signage, like that. They actually take the time to furnish proofs to the client for a review before the job is actually printed but it's an industry practice that spelling is 100%, the client's responsibility.


And there's a difference between a typo and something that was clearly written, but the fact remains that Arab protesters have a better command of the English language than most Tea-Partiers (and some Democrats, apparently).




As far as my assertion that ignorance is more dangerous to our country than terrorists - again, I raise the etymology of the phrase, "useful idiot."

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Originally posted by The17sss This is another misrepresentation that's always circulated. McVeigh hated government, and stated on the record that what he did was because of Clinton allowing the ATF/FBI raid on the WACO compound. He was more of the anarchist persuasion.... he didn't blow up the federal building in the name of religion.

You cant change the rules as we go along. You asked for examples of redneck rampage. Mcveigh was associated with rightwing militias & white supremacists. That practically defines redneck. not sure why you mention religion here, it wasn�t a pre-requisite for the part I quoted.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN You cant change the rules as we go along. You asked for examples of redneck rampage. Mcveigh was associated with rightwing militias & white supremacists. That practically defines redneck. not sure why you mention religion here, it wasn�t a pre-requisite for the part I quoted.

ahh.. good point. thought you were arguing religion comparison.

I know some republicans that are in unions... Does that mean they are out of the party Kevin?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I know some republicans that are in unions... Does that mean they are out of the party Kevin?

Many Republicans are- because they are forced to. In some cases, they can either pony up the $1000 annual union representation fee, or work somewhere else. That's part of the problem- public sector union workers have about 35-40% Republican voter representation... but 98% of dues that go to political campaigns fill Democrat coffers. That's fair, right?


... and I still stand by my previous statement by the way:

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Originally posted by The17sss You are such a fucking douchebag loser. I hope you get hit by a fucking Mack truck and end up in a wheelchair, then realize you contracted AIDS while receiving blood at the hospital.

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Originally posted by The17sss Many Republicans are- because they are forced to. In some cases, they can either pony up the $1000 annual union representation fee, or work somewhere else. That's part of the problem- public sector union workers have about 35-40% Republican voter representation... but 98% of dues that go to political campaigns fill Democrat coffers. That's fair, right? ... and I still stand by my previous statement by the way:

One in particular is a union leader.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby One in particular is a union leader.

public sector union leader? or private. which union do you speak of.

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Originally posted by The17sss public sector union leader? or private. which union do you speak of.

Private, Longshoreman.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Private, Longshoreman.

Private sector unions are fine; they can't stretch their contracts into the realm of the absurd, otherwise their employer will go out of business and the union members will be unemployed. It's night and day between them and public sector unions, who subsist on the teat of the taxpayer, demanding ever-growing ridiculous wages/benefits/pension plans cities and states can't afford, and fund the elections of politicians who will let them continue the cycle of destruction.

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Originally posted by The17sss Private sector unions are fine; they can't stretch their contracts into the realm of the absurd, otherwise their employer will go out of business and the union members will be unemployed. It's night and day between them and public sector unions, who subsist on the teat of the taxpayer, demanding ever-growing ridiculous wages/benefits/pension plans cities and states can't afford, and fund the elections of politicians who will let them continue the cycle of destruction.

So true. 2 years ago I got an 18% pay rise, in order to achieve �pay parity� with government workers interstate. Now we�ve got a budget freeze, hiring freeze etc. not before I got my next 2 pay rises though.

The best part is im not even a member of the union. Go team!

lol... you crack me up man.

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Originally posted by The17sss ...fund the elections of politicians who will let them continue the cycle of destruction.

My ASS!!

Fcuking hell, dude. Corporations practically own U.S., state, city, and local government. The shades of a democracy are succumbing to those of a corporate plutocracy. I've been fucked, here in MI, more times than I can count and more times than I ever have, before, because of Republican sponsored legislation, in the form of deregulation, which has affected every area from banking to labor. And I still don't have the trickle down.

And honestly, while Democrats are operating from a playbook inspired by Strawberry Shortcake, Republicans are a case study in the perversion of intellectual integrity.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker My ASS!! Fcuking hell, dude. Corporations practically own U.S., state, city, and local government. The shades of a democracy are succumbing to those of a corporate plutocracy. I've been fucked, here in MI, more times than I can count and more times than I ever have, before, because of Republican sponsored legislation, in the form of deregulation, which has affected every area from banking to labor. And I still don't have the trickle down. And honestly, while Democrats are operating from a playbook inspired by Strawberry Shortcake, Republicans are a case study in the perversion of intellectual integrity.

Yeah, you make good points (as always). Let�s not pretend the institution of business is in any way less damaging than that of unions.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker My ASS!! Fcuking hell, dude. Corporations practically own U.S., state, city, and local government. The shades of a democracy are succumbing to those of a corporate plutocracy. I've been fucked, here in MI, more times than I can count and more times than I ever have, before, because of Republican sponsored legislation, in the form of deregulation, which has affected every area from banking to labor. And I still don't have the trickle down. And honestly, while Democrats are operating from a playbook inspired by Strawberry Shortcake, Republicans are a case study in the perversion of intellectual integrity.

You're from MI? What do you think of this?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...ac954b8c90c5716

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Gov. Rick Snyder on Monday made Michigan the first state in the country to lower the number of weeks jobless workers can get state benefits, a trend other cash-strapped states may follow as a way to avoid taxing businesses more for unemployment benefits. Snyder said he signed the bill reducing state benefits from 26 to 20 weeks because it will allow people out of a job now to get up to 20 more weeks of help from a federal program for those who used up their state and most of their regular federal unemployment benefits. The change will allow them to extend unemployment benefits to 99 weeks. Those last 20 weeks of federal benefits would have expired for 35,000 Michigan residents in early April and for 150,000 residents by the end of 2011 if Snyder hadn't signed the bill by Friday. "Cutting them off so abruptly would have jeopardized the well-being of those who are trying hard to find work," Snyder said in a release after signing the bill in private. But critics, including Michigan's entire Democratic congressional delegation, said the Republican governor should have vetoed the bill rather than sign cuts in state jobless benefits into law. Nearly every state has offered at least 26 weeks of benefits for the past half-century, and Michigan's unemployment rate has been one of the nation's highest for the past five years. "Gov. Snyder's decision to sign this reckless measure cutting the lifeline for Michigan's unemployed will reverberate for years in Michigan," U.S. Rep. Sander Levin of Royal Oak said in a release. "Republicans hijacked a simple technical change to extend 100 percent federally funded benefits this year and gave Michigan the dubious distinction of becoming the only state in the union with 20 weeks of state unemployment insurance." A letter urging Snyder to veto the bill was signed by Michigan's two U.S. senators, Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow, as well as Democratic Reps. Hansen Clarke, John Conyers, John Dingell, Dale Kildee, Gary Peters and Sander Levin. "Michigan would be the only state to have 20 weeks of state unemployment insurance and the first state to reduce benefits during a period of high unemployment. These are two distinctions we do not want for our state," they wrote in the letter. They noted that Michigan's action could cause federal benefits to be reduced by an additional 16 weeks in Michigan, possibly costing jobless workers 22 weeks of state and federal benefits. Michigan added 71,000 jobs between February 2010 and last month, the first sustained job gain the state has seen in the past decade, and its unemployment rate has taken the biggest tumble of any state in the country over the past year, from 13.5 percent to 10.4 percent. Still, finding a job isn't easy. Michigan last year ranked third-highest nationally in the percentage of unemployed workers who had been looking for a job for a year or more � 36 percent out of 590,000 workers, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics. State Democratic lawmakers supported the extension of the federal benefits but voted against the overall plan because of the other changes to the state jobless benefits system. Republicans who hold majorities in the House and Senate pushed the bills through last week, saying the plan makes sense given the poor financial shape of the state's unemployment insurance system. Michigan has had to ask for $3.9 billion in federal loans to cover the cost of unemployment benefits over the past two years. Earlier this month, the Republican-controlled Florida House passed a bill that would cut the time that an unemployed worker could receive state benefits from 26 weeks to 20 weeks. Some Florida lawmakers have targeted state benefits cuts as a way to reduce an increase in unemployment taxes paid by businesses that otherwise would automatically go into effect as a result of Florida's continuing high unemployment rate.

I think it sends a bad message to your constituents that the state is unwilling to give you guys the full amount of UI weeks just because they want to slash across the board, and let the feds deal with it. But perhaps I'm missing something here.

Thats why there is a huge recall movement in almost every state wirh a fresh republican governor or republican majority in the legislature. In WIsconsin, Walker coldnt win an election now if he had Jesus as his running mate, half of the state wants him recalled and his approval is about 35% (Poll from the start of the months, cant bother looking for a newer one but i can only imagine that as time goes on, and he does more shit like this his approval must be dropping ). People voted for republicans because the are supposed to be good on the economy and shit...silly people Instead what they got was numerous votes on abortion (nothing like making abortion illegal to create jobs), taxing the poor while giving tax cuts to rich people and on jobs...i say, are those crickets im hearing?

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