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Originally posted by d3020 mj2, This does not address the cd question you raised, but you might want to consider, if budget allows, an allen & heath xone::62 or the pioneer djm 600 for a mixer.

cool, it looks a bit out of my price range, but i'll look into it, thanks.

have you got any input on the cd situation?

A true sign of the times.

A young DJ just starting out doesn’t know what medium to choose…

It’s fair to say that things have definitely changed, as there was once a time when the choice would have been obvious. And to some people it still is.

The reality of the situation is that due to the nature of the business and the advances of technology is that there is no sure thing, be it a career or the longevity of a piece of equipment, medium or music style.
“Always in motion is the future, difficult to see…” (Master Yoda)

Been thinking about some of the arguments about different types of new technology and the lack of beat matching etc. in some of the gadgets.
A lot of DJs feel really threatened by the new technology that makes the matching easier.

Are some of us so blind that we think that Djing is just about beat matching?

Ultimately this has to be about the most pointless thread in the forum, partly because what ever we think and how well we put our arguments, the cold facts are that this thread will do very little if nothing to actually affect the way in which things develop for the future.

Knowledge is power… don’t just sit back and assume, find out first hand about new technology. You may just understand it in a way that no one has done prior, and thus you never know where you may end up.

Cheers
Nem

There's only one way to solve this. Agree to Disagree. Or just use cd's and vinyl and get the best of both worlds.

Well, after reading some of the facts about cds, sound reproduction facts, and how vinyl care can be difficult, and how it wears down after a while, and so on...

(Unfortunately i bought a used vinyl, which turned out to sound like total crap because it was worn down so much, good thing it was only a few dollars.)

... I went made a chart, where I listened about 300 tracks that I would like to eventually buy. Then I went and searched for each track on a few of the most popular and largest Record and Digital Download stores. I only searched about 100 tracks, when the results became obvious.

Almost every track (except for a few exceptions) were available in both digital and vinyl format. The only difference is the price.

But when I sat down and really thought about it... I don't think the industry would absolutely ditch everyone who owns CDJs etc. already right? I mean, they certainly didn't ditch vinyl djs when the digital revolution occurred by making programs such as "Final Scratch."

And with that hope, I shall be buying my set up as listed here in about 4 or 5 days. I'll post pictures of it on the other thread when I get it all set up.

Cheers,

funny you should mention that

I did a test this morning of all the tracks I have bought this week so far ( about 20)

I cant find ONE SINGLE ONE for download (including winmx and all the other p2p places) - utter rubbish.

I stand by what i have said for ages- know
a) where to go
b) when to go
c) be quick

and you can get it as quick, if not before the big names have it.

Yea I know what you mean, some of the best tracks digital download stores don't have. That's why is always best to have both.

Generally speaking, only the big labels and most popular tracks are released as digital downloads. Out of about the 100 I tested about a quarter was vinyl only, and another quarter digital only.

But as you said, you have to know where, and when to look. Which digital download stores did you look into by the way? I find Beatport.com and AudioJelly.com to have many tracks which are released on vinyl.

It also depends on which tracks you're looking for, and what specific genre/subgenre it is. I've been finding that more and more uplifting/melodic trance labels are resorting to digital formats, such as download stores and cd-r's.

JOOF Homepage

One trance heavyweight gives completely to the digital world.

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Originally posted by djlithium I can't believe the amount of wankers on this thread who want to kill vinyl dead in favor of cheaping out both financially and in terms of investing the time in learning DJing, not DJing on "records" and how that factors into other aspects of the culture itself. Give your heads a shake for a few minutes and understand this... "The quick and easy path forever will dominate your destiny." What does digital mixing technology represent? Gee, I wonder. It is not acceptable for people to use the following excuses in their defense of "digital djing" 1. It's lighter, and I can take more tunes. Bullshit. What DJ needs to bring with him the "history of dance music" out to play a 2 or three hour set that he can't stuff into a standard issue 40-70 12" record bag in order to satisfy a crowd??? Answer, A SHITTY ONE! 2. It sounds better. Bullshit again. Vinyl sounds better because OF IT'S LIMITATIONS as it relates to the physics of sound reproduction. CD/Digital platforms toss the rules of audio engineering out the fucking window and with that creates this "wall of sound" dead end loop that people get into with engineering material for digital use only. As a result it all sounds like flattened out garbage over loud systems. 3. I can get the most recent tunes and play lots of promos for free or "download" new tracks from new producers, blah blah. Who fucking cares!!!? So much for any of the material you play being exclusive for more than 2 days of being released "online". You now effectively are part of the "exclusively non-exclusive" tracks club. And that price tag suggests to me that its about as worth playing as well... something that's free.

+1

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Originally posted by Axolotyl I prefer to mix vinyl because it makes me feel like a man. It also increases the size of my penis and makes it more likely that I will be able to pick up since I look cooler. It also makes me feel like I'm a real DJ because I have to carry around a good 10-15 kilos of records. And I like the fact that I have to spend $15-20 for two or three tracks, usually just a remix of the same song. Plus I get to bag out people who like to use CDs on completely pointless threads by throwing around terms that I very loosely understand. And lets face it, the average clubber would be able to detect (and infact care about) the minute difference in audio quality of a track played on a club PA system. So yeah... CDs suck...

Lithium, I still don't understand why your label says you can't you digital downloads PURCHASED in DJ mixes? What's the difference between buying a viynl and buying an mp3? You still get cash! Plus your mp3s are like $5, compared to $1-$2 from most other labels.

AND other stores don't have this:

For Example:
Can I DJ with files purchased from Beatport?
Yes, buying a track from Beatport is just like buying a record from the record store. The same legal implications are in effect. Beatport has taken the time to create agreements with all labels involved with our site and provide you with digital, legal alternatives to the music you may have purchased on record previously.

No offense, but I don't see how your label will be successful with this strategy. It seems spitefull, because you don't like CDs.

Lithium, I still don't understand why your label says you can't you digital downloads PURCHASED in DJ mixes? What's the difference between buying a viynl and buying an mp3? You still get cash! Plus your mp3s are like $5, compared to $1-$2 from most other labels.

AND other stores don't have this:

For Example:
Can I DJ with files purchased from Beatport?
Yes, buying a track from Beatport is just like buying a record from the record store. The same legal implications are in effect. Beatport has taken the time to create agreements with all labels involved with our site and provide you with digital, legal alternatives to the music you may have purchased on record previously.

No offense, but I don't see how your label will be successful with this strategy. It seems spitefull, because you don't like CDs.

Lithium, I still don't understand why your label says you can't you digital downloads PURCHASED in DJ mixes? What's the difference between buying a viynl and buying an mp3? You still get cash! Plus your mp3s are like $5, compared to $1-$2 from most other labels.

AND other stores don't have this:

For Example:
Can I DJ with files purchased from Beatport?
Yes, buying a track from Beatport is just like buying a record from the record store. The same legal implications are in effect. Beatport has taken the time to create agreements with all labels involved with our site and provide you with digital, legal alternatives to the music you may have purchased on record previously.

No offense, but I don't see how your label will be successful with this strategy. It seems spitefull, because you don't like CDs.

FFS, dont get Lithium started again... =(

Vinyl all the way,cd's are ok its just not the same,not as fun as vinyl

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Originally posted by 24K I don't respect DJ's that play cds. Now,,, it's one thing if you're playing your own tracks and what not,,, and also if you just play one or two songs on cd. But when I see DJ's playing only cds it really pisses me off because of how much time,,, money and effort goes into finding rare vinyl.

Well then I guess you dont respect any of the world's top DJ's then, because most of them use CD's at some point in their sets whether it be for a sample or the song itself. Vinyl is great I learned to DJ on it, but I like CD's just as well. A lot lighter to carry than vinyl also, but as it has been said before this topic has been truly overplayed again and again. Each to their own, CD's however, are here to stay and the DJing technology geared toward them is getting even more impressive. i,e players that is.

DJ MADNESS

Vinyl Makes A Comeback

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BELLEVUE - They were dismissed over two decades ago when the Compact Disc became the music format of choice. But actual records are making a comeback. In the earliest days of recorded music, songs were pressed onto hard discs that really didn't produce a clear sound. The hard discs eventually gave way to a softer vinyl, and that remained a standard for generations. The advent of the compact disc in the 1980s doomed the vinyl record. But in 2005, they're back! "The past has returned to the future," says Mike Batt, vinyl buyer for Silver Platters. "In November of last year, we moved our Bellevue store here to Crossroads," says Silver Platters president Paul Grant. "At that time, we decided to introduce three new lines: Books, games, and vinyl records. And the vinyl has been the most successful." What? How? "It's difficult to say, really," Grant answers. But his buyer knows otherwise. "The only part of the music industry right now that is growing is vinyl," Batt says. "CD sales have gone down, and cassette sales are way down." And with vinyl sales climbing, sales of related items are growing as well. Today, most major electronics chains carry both turntables and record needles. Vinyl purists will tell you albums sound better, and they're excited about the return of records. Mike Batt says if you're blindfolded, and you listen to the same song first on CD, then on vinyl, you'll always choose the vinyl recording as the one that sounds better. But a new generation is fueling vinyl sales as well; a generation that wasn't here the first time records were hits. It also helps to have popular artists making sure their new projects are also released on vinyl. "Ben Folds, Dave Matthews, and even U2," Batt says. So here's the big question: if vinyl is coming back, do you think we'll see the 8-track reborn? "I don't think so," Grant says with a laugh. He adds cassettes are gone for good as well. Vinyl selections will continue to grow, and it appears that a new album will actually once again be an album.

Whomever feels that one is better- can be right in their own perspectives. A format can be only better to suit your particular needs.... Bottom line.

It all comes down to genre and audience. If you are performing for a wedding or an older crowd that does not want to hear hip hop or dance, than you obiviously don't have a choice. Does not make that person a non dj.

How about salsa, merengue and bachata? If you spin that genre does that make you a non dj cause they are not available on vinyl?

For example, I take buying vinyl over any other format....... why? its not because of the FEEL OF VINYL damn it. Its because the house music that I play does not come out on cds. Alot of tracks may come out on mp3 but the majority can only be found on vinyl....

Guess what, I quickly transfer them to cd.... So, now, I take playing with cds over any other format......

You see how I just threw you a loop.....

Cause nowadays, if you want to compete, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIVE REMIX, EFFECTS, LOOPING, ACAPPELLA BLENDS, TEMPO BEND, in order for your sets NOT TO BE BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ERICK MORILLO, ROGER SANCHEZ-(BEST HOUSE DJ OF 2004) and which both have residencies in Iibza use only cds and use vinyl cause he- Roger "hadn't had the time to transfer them to cd" his own words......

If you win the awards for being the best house dj at a convention held in front of hundreds of your top quality dj peers, and you use cds for most of your sets, what does that say about US, both me and you writing our little pathetic opinions on whether vinyl is better than cd????? It only means that we are not professional enough to embrace evolution.......

The days of playing one track after the next is over........... No one wants to hear track after track after track...... Been there, done that......

I challenge you to buy a pc/desktop with a 1987 memory processor with limited ports and no USB and tell me how you like it.... What happens if your dsl shuts off right now and you can't post your little topics....... What then?

DJing is like anything else in the world- progressing........

BY THE WAY, TO YOU NON PRO DJS- THE STANDARD SET UP AT SUPER CLUBS IS A ROTARY MIXER, TECHNICS, AND CDJ 1000'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all the people knocking cds, please take the time to try to get ahold of the April issue of BPM. They have a top 150 list of the readers favorite DJs. They ask each dj which format they prefer, vinyl or cds. It may shock you that WAY more than half of the djs they interveiw prefer cds over vinyl. And even the djs that prefer vinyl say that they do spin cds. And to all you Tiesto fans out there knocking cds, did you watch the Tiesto In Concert 2 dvd? Looked to me like he was spinning way more cds than he was vinyl. Just some food for thought. I'm not trying to start a war.

Rock On,

Mike

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Cause nowadays, if you want to compete, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIVE REMIX, EFFECTS, LOOPING, ACAPPELLA BLENDS, TEMPO BEND, in order for your sets NOT TO BE BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Playing track after track is over? What masturbation is this?

Bullshit.

You drop 101 Flangers over your mix, your just going to fuck it up, especially if your mixing trance. Smooth EQing, track selection, timing and solid beat mixing will win over a crowd more than some retard on 12 decks with 3 kaoss pads and an MPC 1000 running Ableton Live. You can do amazing mixing on on any setup regardless or format. Live Remix??? WTF is that? Are you composing in cubase on the fly or something?

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Originally posted by Axolotyl WTF is that? Are you composing in cubase on the fly or something?

Lol.... That's funny...

Obviously one has to be more reserved when performing in order not to sound too conjested.

However, one has to be able to alter the systematice routine of track after track. It creates a predictable response.

Playing on back to back long mixes is fine! This will especially do well in your local city lounges an ocassional cafe. No one is arguing that. But when competing with the super club jocks and want to consider yourself a little more marketable among the bigger venues, one needs to be a little more proficient than that of a plain mix cd.

If you are not a trixter, an acappella via pitch bend here and there will suffice. A looping to extend the breakdown of a track to create a new sound is appealing. Even dropping the lows of one track via effector and riding it with a new track is safe yet worth the crowd peeking into the dj booth.

Over all, these are which you can do with ease withva little practice only if you embrace technology and the fact that people need constant change.

Also, depending on the genre, you are limited to the effects that you can impose on the audience. But if you are playing for a club atmosphere which, we all aspire or have at one point, then you need to incorporate substance at one point of your set. Out of the norm, something that which sets you apart.

And the question remains........ why the effector 500 and the cdj 1000 such popular and standard playing machines?

Why be so scared to embrace technology people??

This great technology allows us create a truely unique sound.
I can wip up my own remix of a new tune and play it in a club that night. Play extremely rare tunes unrealeased on vinyl or a friends great production. Djing is now becoming more and more about having your own unique sound.

Vinyl vs Cd Who cares

Use what ever you can to make your Dj sets truely original I say.
Seems stupid not to use this available technology though

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Originally posted by Jay Logan Why be so scared to embrace technology people?? This great technology allows us create a truely unique sound. I can wip up my own remix of a new tune and play it in a club that night. Play extremely rare tunes unrealeased on vinyl or a friends great production. Djing is now becoming more and more about having your own unique sound. Vinyl vs Cd Who cares Use what ever you can to make your Dj sets truely original I say. Seems stupid not to use this available technology though

Great attitude!

vinyl vs cd
cd vs vinyl

vinyl will sound better if its brand new and probably will be a little more upfront.
cd will be cheaper and will have alonger life.

heres my advise:

USE ANY MUSIC YOU CAN FIND (EVEN IF ITS ILLEGAL - BREAK THE "LAW"

MAKE SOME MONEY AT YOUR OWN RISK BY SPINNING THEM IN CLUBS

INVEST THEM INTO PROMMOTING YOUR SELF AND GETTING SOME STUDIO TIME

AND ONCE YOU ARE UP THERE ( IF YOUR MUSIC WAS WORTH A FUCK TO BEGIN WITH)

USE VINYL ,+ CD / DVD BECAUSE LABELS WILL SENT THEM TO YOU .

CRACKS /POPS /NOISE CAN FUCK UP EVEN THE BEST BREAKDOWN.
SO IF YOU HAVE ACCSESS TO A DIGITAL VERSION OF THE "PLAYED ONE TO MANY TIMES"
TRACK IT WOULD BE STUPID OF YOU NOT TO CONSIDER IT''



ROGER SANS. ( THE KING OF CHEESY RADIO HOUSE) GOT PAYED A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY FROM PIONEER
TO SUPPORT THEM
SO DID EDDIE, SO DID ZABIELLA.
SO YOU 12 YEAR OLD STUPID BEDROOM DJS WOULD SELL YOU WAX ON EBAY FOR A 1$ A PIECE
BECAUSE IT ISNT "IN" ANYMORE.THE "FUTURE" IS DIGITAL.

EVEN WORSE SOME OF YOU WILL GIVE 60$ FOR RECORD YOU ALREADY OWN
IN ANOTHER FORMAT. WELL UNLESS YOU HAVE MONEY TO BURN
THAT WAS A PRETTY STUPID BUY NOW WASNT IT?


BOTTOM LINE WHAREVER YOU USE MAKE SURE ITS GOOD MUSIC.
AT THE END OF THE DAY THATS WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REMEMBER

I love this thread, it cracks me up sometimes

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Originally posted by harriz vinyl vs cd cd vs vinyl vinyl will sound better if its brand new and probably will be a little more upfront. cd will be cheaper and will have alonger life. heres my advise: USE ANY MUSIC YOU CAN FIND (EVEN IF ITS ILLEGAL - BREAK THE "LAW" MAKE SOME MONEY AT YOUR OWN RISK BY SPINNING THEM IN CLUBS INVEST THEM INTO PROMMOTING YOUR SELF AND GETTING SOME STUDIO TIME AND ONCE YOU ARE UP THERE ( IF YOUR MUSIC WAS WORTH A FUCK TO BEGIN WITH) USE VINYL ,+ CD / DVD BECAUSE LABELS WILL SENT THEM TO YOU . CRACKS /POPS /NOISE CAN FUCK UP EVEN THE BEST BREAKDOWN. SO IF YOU HAVE ACCSESS TO A DIGITAL VERSION OF THE "PLAYED ONE TO MANY TIMES" TRACK IT WOULD BE STUPID OF YOU NOT TO CONSIDER IT'' ROGER SANS. ( THE KING OF CHEESY RADIO HOUSE) GOT PAYED A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY FROM PIONEER TO SUPPORT THEM SO DID EDDIE, SO DID ZABIELLA. SO YOU 12 YEAR OLD STUPID BEDROOM DJS WOULD SELL YOU WAX ON EBAY FOR A 1$ A PIECE BECAUSE IT ISNT "IN" ANYMORE.THE "FUTURE" IS DIGITAL. EVEN WORSE SOME OF YOU WILL GIVE 60$ FOR RECORD YOU ALREADY OWN IN ANOTHER FORMAT. WELL UNLESS YOU HAVE MONEY TO BURN THAT WAS A PRETTY STUPID BUY NOW WASNT IT? BOTTOM LINE WHAREVER YOU USE MAKE SURE ITS GOOD MUSIC. AT THE END OF THE DAY THATS WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO REMEMBER

Wow, alot of anger we have, dont we? I bet you will get far with that attitude.

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