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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee are you so stupid not to realize that its level of education and how much one gets in that level that reflects how BOOK smart a person is?

can you even form a coherent sentence?

the Iraqis should fight the US troops with a hunger strike .. gain the sympathy of the UN .. !

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And partyprincess: I hate to burst your bubble, but American high schools don't have higher standards than Canadian ones. Besides which, how could you possibly generalize like that? Every state and every province has a different public school system, so trying to compare entire countries is nothing short of utter stinking bullshit.

Maybe this is something you hadn't thought of with your American education, princess, but the reason Canadian universities have "lower" entrance standards is because it's harder to achieve "higher" status in Canadian schools. And let's not forget that many of the American universities are ten times the size of Canadian ones (except maybe for U of T) and thus have to raise their standards to keep the student population in check...

I could go on, but the sheer ignorance of this "sub-argument" prevents me from wasting too much effort.

I would say Canadian high schools are harder as i have done both systems and can comment on them. I did my grade 10 and half of my grade 11 year in a Canadian Catholic high school in Calgary, then i moved to Brazil were i went to a Private American school were i graduated. When i transferred to the american school my marks went up 5 to 10 percent based on the class. Also i met and have a lot of american friends from there, and the stories they tell about american public school is horrible, most of them had to transfer to private school due to the poor conditions. Also in grade 10 my father was almost transferred to the US and the company advised us (american oil company) that the public system is ok but it is better to go to private school if you expect the same standards as in Canada. Also a lot of American univeristies like Yale have a large international population intake so most international candidates are very smart so they drive up the averages.

what does all this school stuff have to do with the war again .. ??

Sure I support the war....























I don't have to fight in it!

Some politicians in the US have floated around the idea of conscription, so that when they vote to go to war, they will actually have sons and daughters in the military, instead of poor kids who just joined up to earn some college money. I think we all know how well that idea works. Did G.W. or Bill Clinton have to go to Vietnam? People I know from Korea say that those with privilege can easily get around conscription, while the rest suffer.

It's also weird to see Americans rally in favour of the war. There's a huge (moral) difference between seeing war a a last resort after all else has failed, and being eager to pound Saddam "'cuz he's part of them that blew up the World Trade Center", a 'fact' that many believe, but has no basis in fact.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL what does all this school stuff have to do with the war again .. ??

hah ya it'll come around

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Originally posted by Tudo Beleza I would say Canadian high schools are harder as i have done both systems and can comment on them. I did my grade 10 and half of my grade 11 year in a Canadian Catholic high school in Calgary, then i moved to Brazil were i went to a Private American school were i graduated. When i transferred to the american school my marks went up 5 to 10 percent based on the class. Also i met and have a lot of american friends from there, and the stories they tell about american public school is horrible, most of them had to transfer to private school due to the poor conditions. Also in grade 10 my father was almost transferred to the US and the company advised us (american oil company) that the public system is ok but it is better to go to private school if you expect the same standards as in Canada. Also a lot of American univeristies like Yale have a large international population intake so most international candidates are very smart so they drive up the averages.

Many people say Alberta's high school system is far more difficult than Ontario's. I hear its very good too.

Just so you people know.. the only American News network that is breifed by the pentagon on a frequent basis is CNN.

That is why it is extremely biased.

As well... the implementation of American journalists along with the military in this war has made coverage of the events grossly biased. The American media have literally become the military and have consequently de-integrated the nuetral perspective they should otherwise take.

don't you just love it how war in the real world can cause war online too .. see war is a byproduct of war.. which is why we should stop making war..

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Originally posted by partyprincess You have absolutely no evidence backing up your supposed argument. Why don't you do some of the research that I did and give me some real percentages, numbers, statistics...anything!

You first, you started this argument with no facts whatsoever (other than your family ties... what-the-fuck-ever, a lot of us have those). And I think you said to joe that 18 out of 600 went to Ivy League schools? That's pathetic! Especially considering that they have international (max) quotas! Most of these schools accept at least 10% (shall we be conservative and say 5?) of their applicants, so if only 3% got in, what does that say about your school!?

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May I remind you that in many public highschools in the U.S. 90% is an A- and 94 is an A?

Doesn't that just disprove most of the things you've said right there? You said it yourself, a 90% in a U.S. public high school means the same as an 80% here. How can that possibly work in favour of your argument?

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Ok, I'll give up now because what you said made absolutely no sense. So guys, don't hate me because I'm American ok? And because I dance better than you lol...Look better than you...Just kidding.

Nice trolling. We applaud you. I guess I can't speak for what you look or dance like since I've never seen you (have any TOTAs, out of curiosity?), but as for the rest, it sounds very pseudo-intellectual. And also very typical of someone in humanities. Why do the artsy ones always think they're so smart?

Last but not least, you guys don't even know how to use the freakin' metric system, so just hang your heads in shame.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Last but not least, you guys don't even know how to use the freakin' metric system, so just hang your heads in shame.

Speaking of the quality of education...

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Originally posted by partyprincess Why are you guys so hung up about Canada having to have the best educational system?

This was all started by Oceanlab who boasted about his 'georgetown' education. Assuming that made his points all the more valid and that our feeble canadian brains couldnt possibly follow along. I certainly don't think our system is better, I never said it is and if you actually did read my posts I said I thought our high school system was terrible. I was just defending my country the way I saw it and pointed out what I thought some common misconceptions.

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Originally posted by partyprincess As a graduate from an American Public High School, I have to say that you're completely full of shit. The level is substantially higher there, as is the competitiveness among peers and the pressure to attend a good university.

Don't attack our system and then criticize us for trying to defend it. That's pretty low. If you didn't think it was all that big of an issue you shouldnt have made the arguement in the first place. How do you think people are going to respond when you tell them they are full of shit?

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Originally posted by partyprincess Of course schools differ significantly from one jurisdiction to the next and perhaps the schools that you are thinking of (may they be innercity or in a poorer area) are not at the same level that the majority of U.S. schools are at.

I guess that wouldnt apply to Canadian high schools though would it. I mean of course when it's Canada, the one or the few you've studied obviously represents the rest of the country.

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Originally posted by partyprincess Did you not think that maybe this is because the high school curriculum was very very easy?

No not really. I have heard too much criticism of the American system too think it would be that lopsided. In the end all we can do is speculate. Personally, I dont really think they are all that much different. It is an interesting debate though.. maybe we should transfer this to a new thread. This one is kind of getting clogged.

My personal experience, attending institutes of higher education in eahc country led me to believe that US universities were easier.

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Originally posted by partyprincess YOU MORON!!! you think 600 people applied to Ivy league schools? in the US people only apply to schools where they think they have a chance of being accepted. I would guess that no more than 50-80 people applied to Ivy schools. How many people got into those schools from your HS?

You just said it right there! Only 50-80 people would even have a chance of being accepted! Case closed.

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YOU MORON!!! because it is easier to get an A in Canada, you don't have to get as high as percentage. Considering the FACT the curriculum is easier that means that the States equivelent of a Canadian A is probably around 75%. That means that C students in America would get A's in Canada.

Okay look, I'll try not to be patronizing but you've got this backwards. We don't USE letter grades in Canada (at least not before I graduated 3 years ago). So the American universities developed a system for converting our number grades to your letter grades (or GPA): An 80% from a Canadian high school is considered an A, or a 4.0 GPA if they need a GPA. Yes, this is a fact, I had to look into this when I applied to the U.S., so please do not argue it.

P.S. nice spelling of "equivalent", smartass. I normally don't nit pick about that, but since you are arguing about education...

All I can say about education systems is that US education system is FAR FAR worse than East European education system(just look at results from various international math, informatcs, physics, chemistry olympiads).. Americans with their HUGE population are OFTEN beaten by countries like Romania, Poland etc with far smaller populations.

^ trudat... Canada sucks in that regard too, gotta admit.

I don't think the Canadian education system is good... just that anyone who says the U.S. education system is better must've hit the crack pipe pretty hard.

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Originally posted by DigiNut ^ trudat... Canada sucks in that regard too, gotta admit.

Actually, we are not too bad. At least one Canadian wins a gold medal in each of those olympiads pretty much every year. But we definitely don't have what it takes to compete with countries like Russia, Romania, China and other scientific olympiads monsters.

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Originally posted by partyprincess That means that C students in America would get A's in Canada.

That's very foolish and is quite a leap in logic. Every school even here in Canada uses very different grading standards. I think what he is trying to say is that a 95 there could represent an 85 here.

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Originally posted by partyprincess YOU MORON!!! you think 600 people applied to Ivy league schools? in the US people only apply to schools where they think they have a chance of being accepted. I would guess that no more than 50-80 people applied to Ivy schools. How many people got into those schools from your HS?

What is your point here? That most schools have the same acceptance rate as yours and Ivy league schools generally accept 30% of their applicants (doesn't much help your case about Ivy league standards) or that you were lucky enough to be in one of the better high schools in America?

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Originally posted by Durafei Actually, we are not too bad. At least one Canadian wins a gold medal in each of those olympiads pretty much every year. But we definitely don't have what it takes to compete with countries like Russia, Romania, China and other scientific olympiads monsters.

I think the trouble is that too many Canadians and Americans alike think that liberal arts & humanities are "education"...

(kidding, please don't flame)

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Originally posted by Durafei Actually, we are not too bad. At least one Canadian wins a gold medal in each of those olympiads pretty much every year. But we definitely don't have what it takes to compete with countries like Russia, Romania, China and other scientific olympiads monsters.

Well I dont know how much stake you can put in an entire system based on those competitions. I mean its like saying Canada is the best hockey country in the world because they one a one week single elimination tournament. And you wouldnt admit that would you Durafei?

This is the weirdest thread hijack ever. We went from bashing eachother about our war stance to bashing eachother over which educational system is better. Weird.

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Originally posted by partyprincess The SAT range for acceptance to McGill and U of T are around 1200...for Ivy schools it is 1400+. These score ARE recognized and considered by Canadian Universities so that means that they do matter. What possible argument does anyone have against that? You have to score higher to get into the top US schools than into the top Canadian schools, you have to have better grades as well. People with Bs is the US get into our best schools, doesn't that say anything. To get into the same schools Canadians have to score a lot higher.

Does anyone know what the hell she's talking about? Canadian schools don't look at SAT scores. Maybe you need one if you're applying from the USA?

I will not quote my SAT score since this is not a personal discussion, but the SAT I is a joke. The American schools that actually do have high standards, like MIT, all require SAT II scores, which test your knowledge of *somewhat* (not much) more advanced topics.

Even if I were to concede that a lot of Americans with B's get into your best schools (the reason I question this is because Ivy schools are not considered the "best" by as many people as you seem to think), the main reason for that is, as I said, international quotas. Since as I already said, Canadian schools do not use letter grades, it's impossible to draw any conclusion from that.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle This is the weirdest thread hijack ever. We went from bashing eachother about our war stance to bashing eachother over which educational system is better. Weird.

Sorry. A few of us just don't want to see *certain people* get away with their ignorant statements.

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Originally posted by partyprincess The SAT range for acceptance to McGill and U of T are around 1200...for Ivy schools it is 1400+. These score ARE recognized and considered by Canadian Universities so that means that they do matter. What possible argument does anyone have against that? You have to score higher to get into the top US schools than into the top Canadian schools, you have to have better grades as well. People with Bs is the US get into our best schools, doesn't that say anything. To get into the same schools Canadians have to score a lot higher.

Every university has a quota on a number of people they can accept. If McGill imposed 1400+ acceptance rate, the classes wouldn't be full. US has a much larger population than Canada, hence even with 1400+ acceptance rates, Top US schools they are going to fill their classes to capacity.

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