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Originally posted by JayD You guys usually wake up and work out w/ out eating or eat and then work out? Was told that cardio is better on an empty stomach but it's kind of a bitch when you want to do weights after cardio and you have no energy (since you haven't eaten). JaY

this is the logic behind running on an empty stomach in the morning. usually when you run it takes a good 15-20 minutes for your body to use up the carbs that you've recently digested before you start burning alternative fuel sources...if you run on an empty stomach in the morning, then you don't have any carbs really in your system and then start to burn those alternative sources quicker...i.e. fat.

its probably not a great idea to do too much on an empty stomach because over that time, the likely hood of muscle being broken down is greater. but a morning run wouldn't hurt...but i'd eat before working out after a run...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller this is the logic behind running on an empty stomach in the morning. usually when you run it takes a good 15-20 minutes for your body to use up the carbs that you've recently digested before you start burning alternative fuel sources...if you run on an empty stomach in the morning, then you don't have any carbs really in your system and then start to burn those alternative sources quicker...i.e. fat.

Best thing to do is probably drink a protien shake before sleeping then eh.

JaY

ive tried every combo of day/night hungry/full possible and i have the most energy and the best workouts around 11:30-1:30 in the afternoon and Ive had a nice solid breakfast of a bagel, a half protein shake and a piece of fruit. at around 8-9 am.Then I work out without having eaten after breakfast. That way you are getting maximum blood flow and not working on digesting food (very energy draining process).

I like to do cardio in the morning, and then workout later on in the day. Of course, this is only an option when I'm in school and have tons of free time =P

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Originally posted by Orbax ive tried every combo of day/night hungry/full possible and i have the most energy and the best workouts around 11:30-1:30 in the afternoon and Ive had a nice solid breakfast of a bagel, a half protein shake and a piece of fruit. at around 8-9 am.Then I work out without having eaten after breakfast. That way you are getting maximum blood flow and not working on digesting food (very energy draining process).

that's a good point. you want to have food in your system when working out, but not while its digesting...its probably best to give it a good hour of digestion time before you work out.


also, when i was younger, i would wake up at 4:30 and lift weights before school. it was a pain in the ass, but i would still do it so that i could come home and lift after school too. even when i did that, i'd actually wake up at about 4am drink a shake and not lift until 4:30am...so even then i still needed something in my system when working out.

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Originally posted by JayD You guys usually wake up and work out w/ out eating or eat and then work out? Was told that cardio is better on an empty stomach but it's kind of a bitch when you want to do weights after cardio and you have no energy (since you haven't eaten). JaY

This has been highly debated for ages, and basically comes down to what works best for you.

No matter when you do cardio, and if you have anything in your stomach, does not change the fact it will take approximately 20 minutes of moderate cardio before you even BEGIN to burn fat storage. Before that, look at it as only calories being consumed. Some will say when doing cardio on an empty stomach your body will use muscle as energy since your body is depleted of carbohydrates.

I saw the best results on an empty stomach, but if you're looking to put on muscle mass it could be detrimental in the long run. If you're just looking to lose weight and get conditioned, go on an empty stomach and do not eat until one hour after doing cardio. Or you can take a protein shake prior to cardio.

The way I look at it now is, after doing cardio I can have another meal for the day, since all I basically burned was calories.

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Originally posted by Omegasox No matter when you do cardio, and if you have anything in your stomach, does not change the fact it will take approximately 20 minutes of moderate cardio before you even BEGIN to burn fat storage. Before that, look at it as only calories being consumed. Some will say when doing cardio on an empty stomach your body will use muscle as energy since your body is depleted of carbohydrates.

yeah this is right...i don't think i said it right...

Never eat right after cardio. Heres why!

Your body temperature spike to the 100s which means your body goes into emergency mode. What this means is that it doesnt digest any food. Its a total waste of everything to do it. Thats why you wait that long, get back to homeostasis then continue on

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Originally posted by Omegasox This has been highly debated for ages, and basically comes down to what works best for you. No matter when you do cardio, and if you have anything in your stomach, does not change the fact it will take approximately 20 minutes of moderate cardio before you even BEGIN to burn fat storage. Before that, look at it as only calories being consumed. Some will say when doing cardio on an empty stomach your body will use muscle as energy since your body is depleted of carbohydrates. I saw the best results on an empty stomach, but if you're looking to put on muscle mass it could be detrimental in the long run. If you're just looking to lose weight and get conditioned, go on an empty stomach and do not eat until one hour after doing cardio. Or you can take a protein shake prior to cardio. The way I look at it now is, after doing cardio I can have another meal for the day, since all I basically burned was calories.

ye but what about the HIIT routine, it is done in 10 - 30 minutes and has found to be very effective for fat loss?

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Originally posted by Floorfiller that's a good point. you want to have food in your system when working out, but not while its digesting...its probably best to give it a good hour of digestion time before you work out. also, when i was younger, i would wake up at 4:30 and lift weights before school. it was a pain in the ass, but i would still do it so that i could come home and lift after school too. even when i did that, i'd actually wake up at about 4am drink a shake and not lift until 4:30am...so even then i still needed something in my system when working out.

i find gatorade and whey right before a workout makes me very energized for a workout, and this is the only stuff i intake in the day before my workout

whey in da morning..whey in da evening...just another whey shake please...

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Originally posted by diego ye but what about the HIIT routine, it is done in 10 - 30 minutes and has found to be very effective for fat loss?

40-50 minutes of moderate cardio far exceeds HIIT in fat burning capabilities. You can kill yourself doing sprints and the like all you want, you're still not burning fat until ~20 minutes in.

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Originally posted by Omegasox 40-50 minutes of moderate cardio far exceeds HIIT in fat burning capabilities. You can kill yourself doing sprints and the like all you want, you're still not burning fat until ~20 minutes in.

well go to www.exrx.net and read the results on the study of HIIT versuslonger endurance training, they would prove otherwise

hey.... i'm lil kandi angels friend

different people have been telling me how i should work out...


like i warm up first

then i do weights

then i do cardo


is this right or sould i be doing something else...


cheers!

Sounds OK to me, but everybody is different.

I don't even do cardio in the gym....i just stretch and then workout. I alternate muscle groups between days, because your muscles need time to recuperate.

All my cardio comes from soccer training and a soccer game every week.

I honestly don't know if it is exactly right for you, but lets see what the "experts" have to say.

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Originally posted by MarshMallow hey.... i'm lil kandi angels friend different people have been telling me how i should work out... like i warm up first then i do weights then i do cardo is this right or sould i be doing something else... cheers!

what type of weights? what type of cardio?

vigilante's way of cardio is nearly enough, a few games of sport a week like soccer or something can be really effective and alot more enjoyable.

btw. that facethejury site is just too funny

cardio before weights = shitty weight work out. if by warming up you do some jumping jacks thats fine, but I prefer to save energy and just do a warm up set that targets the muscle im about to use with super low weights and 15-20 reps just to get blood flowing. Then stretch, then start the routine with the bottom of the pyramid.

Cardio and weights the same day...not a huge fan. Use the exercise I gave Corinne

With any good work out cardio or weights, you tap yourself out, your body basically only sends "HELP!" beacons to so many parts of your body for repair. Thats why 8 hours in the gym doesnt work or everyone would be in the gym 8 hours a day and get massive results quickly.

You tire out, you stop healing. Going and doing cardio is basically a waste of time.

Split them into seperate days, and do the weights as hard as you can and then the next day do a killer cardio workout.

Dont worry about bulking up with those 15 rep sets. Women dont bulk. I have some chicks in my gym who are practically screaming doint same setsxreps im doing and all they get is toned. You lack the requisite muscle structure and chemicals.

basically: Do what youre gonna do. If its weights, do weights. if its cardio, do cardio. Dont mix unless youre halfassing your weights, which you shouldnt be.

Also, tell Corinne I need to revise the workout I gave her.

you can do weights and cardio on the same day, theres no harm in it, as long as you intake enough food before it. a good idea is weights in morning and cardio in the evening

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Originally posted by diego you can do weights and cardio on the same day, theres no harm in it, as long as you intake enough food before it. a good idea is weights in morning and cardio in the evening

thats true you can...but i don't like to do cardio on the same day as leg days...its hard on the joints...

My point is that devoting a day to thrashing your body with weights, and then thrashing it with cardio another day is more effective. You can also masturbate with bubble gum too, but then you have bubble gum in your pubes.

Not really a good analogy, but im just sayin there are more effective ways to do it with better results. For a trim down goal, a day of walks jogs and hikes is going to be too tiring after a hard work out session.

I can run sub 6 minute miles (not that hard but still shows a certain level of athleticism) and I ran 6 back to back 7 mins once. I can rock climb for hours and hours on some of the hardest climbs.

but I cant do shit after I go to the gym I tried to go rock climbing yesterday after hitting it hard, and I couldnt.

Running isnt as much fun...I guess it depends on how hard you work out in the gym. Lots of times if I get back from the gym and eat something I pass out for an hour because my body shuts down hehe.

Just me though. I wouldnt be surprised if some peoples bodies could handle it. But I think at the intensity levels I like to operate at, it would be foolish and increase the risk of injury.

well that's your body, other bodies can tolerate it. and a perfectly good weights workout can be done in under an hour and a perfectly good cardio session can be done in under an hour too,

Just wanted to reiterate the beginning of that last post

"My point is that devoting a day to thrashing your body with weights, and then thrashing it with cardio another day is more effective."

I am not doubting anyones ability to physically go and do both the same day, I am doubting the veracity of the idea that it is the ultimate way to do it. From my knowledge of their goals a day where they hit the elliptical trainer and stairmachines and stuff for a couple hours and then a day where they do high sets high reps for an hour or so as well would be better energy spent on their parts.

If you are doing strength training and maxing weights you can do other stuff during the day. If you work out your chest, back, and legs out till failure over the course of an hour and a half, Id say just go home and have a good meal and let yourself heal.

Ive fluctuated between (due to workouts and diets) between 7 and 15% body fats. The way I lost (and am currently losing) fat% the fastest was with seperate days for seperate things method. Im hitting an 8% right now (we have a bod pod at our gym).

ok what your saying is doing the same day may not be as effective?

agreed orbax, sometimes after a really intense workout my body cando shit else.

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Originally posted by diego ok what your saying is doing the same day may not be as effective?

yes. Trust me, few things I like more than getting pumped and then running down to the beach and having cars full of girls whistle and hoot to me

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