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This is amusing.

So, I have a question. Do the four to the floor mixes of Luke Chable count as McProg? Does Tilt - The World Doesn't Know classify? Benz and MD? If so, I love McProg and will continue to play it regardless of how much hating you people can do.

Hey Ory, about your earlier post. How you want a counter arguement about someshit. It's an opinion, you can not argue an opinion and expect to counter it. I'm sure your are a nice guy out in the real world but a lot of your arguements don't jusify what you stand for, in some cases you contradict yourself.


This thread has gone down the shitter, we are arguing about a completely different issue, i hope you people can realise this and end the pathetic thread.

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Originally posted by Camwin Hey Ory, about your earlier post. How you want a counter arguement about someshit. It's an opinion, you can not argue an opinion and expect to counter it. I'm sure your are a nice guy out in the real world but a lot of your arguements don't jusify what you stand for, in some cases you contradict yourself. This thread has gone down the shitter, we are arguing about a completely different issue, i hope you people can realise this and end the pathetic thread.

I was talking about the fact that McProg producers go by a formula to create their music. I mean, it's so obvious that their tracks sound so very similar, to me anyway. It doesn't seem like it, to you.

EDIT: A counter argument to that would be; "McProg isn't formulaic and unoriginal because..."

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Originally posted by Ory I was talking about the fact that McProg producers go by a formula to create their music. I mean, it's so obvious that their tracks sound so very similar, to me anyway. It doesn't seem like it, to you. EDIT: A counter argument to that would be; "McProg isn't formulaic and unoriginal because..."

very true, but you take a standard McProg track, and any other trance track- no matter what they all generally follow the same pattern. IMO saying McProg is shit because they follow the same pattern or formula is a little harsh.
Do we consider PvD's productions mcprog? because he uses the same damn formula for all of his productions. the same boring basslines. Take Another Way and Connected. Same exact boring formula, same bassline, 2/3 of the way through the song changes key, then goes back, then it's over. Or how 'bout his TPOD mixes? same annoying ass clap that makes an appearance in ALL of his TPOD mixes - Club Attack, Empire, Guide me God, etc etc. using a formula to write a song is nothing new. Let's face it. most genres of trance are pretty damn predictable.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by Ory EDIT: A counter argument to that would be; "McProg isn't formulaic and unoriginal because..."

but then they'd be lying

I think that this idea that there is an objective measure of quality music is false and that people say this to justify the common opinions of the groups that they find themselves in. They then come up with the "objective" measures based on what factors they beleive their favorite sound excels in.


This applies no matter the size, age, experiences, knowledge, or expertise of the group.

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Originally posted by Ory I was talking about the fact that McProg producers go by a formula to create their music. I mean, it's so obvious that their tracks sound so very similar, to me anyway. It doesn't seem like it, to you. EDIT: A counter argument to that would be; "McProg isn't formulaic and unoriginal because..."

I know what a counter arguement is, but when you say 'McProg' follows a formular, doesn't everything else as well. All the diff is is that they use different sounds. I don't think it's fair that you say it's formulaic.

a shame some of you bitches!

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue Let's face it. most genres of trance are pretty damn predictable.

That's the bottom line here. Trance by nature is predictable because it follows the same basic formula. That's why progressive house is different: it has no real pattern, it's just a state of abstract expression (at least true progressive is).

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Originally posted by memusa That's why progressive house is different: it has no real pattern, it's just a state of abstract expression (at least true progressive is).

hm. never thought about it like that.. I still think prog house, as with any genre of almost any music, has at least somewhat of a pattern that one could reasonably predict though. maybe I've been listening to the wrong type of prog house or something.

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Originally posted by Ory I'd expect someone who was truly mature to either a) Respond to my question. b) Ignore it, and not fuel the fire. Until you can do that, I won't listen to you.

If you don't like McProg, that's fine, because I don't like it either.

I still think this discussion is useless. People have different tastes, and you need to respect that.

There's is no need to flame on other people's musical preference, just because you don't like it. If you don't like McProg, great. Happy you. If another person likes McProg, happy other person.

Telling people that McProg sucks because it is formulaic and predictable is not the way to go if you ask me. Like Omega_Blue said (and I quote): "...saying McProg is shit because they follow the same pattern or formula is a little harsh".

Pretty much every trance song follows the same pattern or formula. Think about ASOT-stuff. It's all the same.

I think McProg sucks too, but I don't think it is necessary to start a whole thread about it. You can expect people getting mad at you for saying that McProg sucks, but don't expect them to agree with you.

Like I said before: People have different tastes. Respect that, or grow up .

Jesus H Christ - Give it up.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse Jesus H Christ - Give it up.

does that come with a markus schulz coldharbour remix ?

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Originally posted by Ian^ does that come with a markus schulz coldharbour remix ?

lol :P

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle lol :P

can't blame me for trying to bring humour into the thread eh shame theres no so much good humour between others

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Originally posted by Ian^ can't blame me for trying to bring humour into the thread eh shame theres no so much good humour between others

yep, at the end of the day its a disagreement, im sure both sides can live with their differences, lets all agree to disagree on this. if nothing else, this thread has inspired me to try hard to be unique as fuck in my next production. ill give you some "real progressive"

Atleast this thread has brung some good humour and inspiration. I know for myself that i am going to pay more attention to 'real' prog. Branch out of the trance genre and finally get to know others. Like Mike said, I'll stand and agree to disagree, this thread needs to go to rest, it's ended up going nowhere.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle if nothing else, this thread has inspired me to try hard to be unique as fuck in my next production. ill give you some "real progressive"

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Orginally posted by Camwin Atleast this thread has brung some good humour and inspiration. I know for myself that i am going to pay more attention to 'real' prog. Branch out of the trance genre and finally get to know others.

then good has come of this thread

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Originally posted by Ian^ does that come with a markus schulz coldharbour remix ?

LOL, I just about spit out my drink at that one.

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Originally posted by Ian^ does that come with a markus schulz coldharbour remix ?

so is there any real prog out there that isn't so dark and bassy yet doesn't qualify as McProg?

I think a more melodic form of unformulaic music would be damn near perfect.


I disagree with the statement "Trance by nature is predictable." I think that the only rule of trance that is set in stone is that there must be hypnotic repititions. The rest of the stuff just happens among the biggest trance musicians, not because of the nature of trance but because of the nature of crowds, hype, and marketing.


It isnt fair to belittle all of trance for the things that not all trance is doing.

I guess you could say trance is predictable due to its repititions, because all repititions are predictable, but then I just wouldnt bother arguing anymore because real prog also revolves around repitition, so liking prog for its repititions and hating trance for being predicable would just mean that people prefer different kinds of repeating sounds and that is a matter of opinion.

If music that isnt repetitive is your measure of "objective quality" then I'll just go away to enjoy my predictable sounds without you.

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Originally posted by Ian^ does that come with a markus schulz coldharbour remix ?

LOL, even I think it's funny.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 so is there any real prog out there that isn't so dark and bassy yet doesn't qualify as McProg?

Yes, there is.

Airdrawndagger anyone? Ohmna? Xpander EP?

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