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Actually I think the rockets started up again after Israel broke the cease fire agreement.
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| Originally posted by Krypton According to Palestinian Ministry of Health and UN figures as of 12 January, 1,024 Palestinians have been killed and 3,860 have been injured. Of those killed, at least 670 have been reported as civilians and among them are: 4 UN and 13 medical workers, 4 journalists, 311 children, 78 women, and 97 elderly people. Of the 4,250 injured: 1,497 are children, 626 are women, and 30 are medical workers. Among the civilians killed in the Gaza Strip were also two foreigners, a Ukrainian woman and her child. The number of children fatalities is said to have increased by 250% since the beginning of the ground operation on 3 January. A total of 15 people had been killed by Qassam rockets since attacks began in 2001. Disgusting. |
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| Originally posted by Krypton Stop acting like the blockade didn't provoke shit knowing damn well what would happen! LOL, stop going back to the blockade? What? Am I now forbidden to propose a specific argument you simply do not like? LOL...Blockades are an act of war and so whatever force enacts such war moves should expect a protracted response from the defensive nation. |
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| In the past months, a shaky cease-fire, organized by Egypt, was in effect. Hamas agreed to stop the rockets and Israel agreed to stop taking military action against Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip. The cease-fire itself was morally dubious and legally asymmetrical. Israel, in effect, was saying to Hamas: If you stop engaging in the war crime of targeting our innocent civilians, we will stop engaging in the entirely lawful military acts of targeting your terrorists. Under the cease-fire, Israel reserved the right to engage in self-defense actions such as attacking terrorists who were in the course of firing rockets at its civilians. |
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| The Hamas "dead baby" strategy - to cause as many civilian casualties as possible by firing its deadly rockets from schools and densely populated areas - is producing understandable outrage around the world. What is not understandable is why the outrage is directed against Israel, which is a victim of this strategy, rather than against Hamas, which is its perpetrator. Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it fired more than 6,000 rockets at Israeli kindergartens, elementary schools and playgrounds from behind its own children. It was playing Russian roulette with the lives of Israeli children in order to provoke a defensive response from Israel. Hamas knew that Israel, like any democracy, would have to take whatever military action was necessary to stop the rockets. As Barack Obama put it when he visited Sderot, a town that had been victimized by more than 1,000 rockets and several deaths: "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that. And I would expect Israelis to do the same thing." Hamas also knew that Israel could not stop the rockets aimed at its children without accidentally killing some Palestinian children because Hamas was using Palestinian children as human shields for its rockets. Despite its best efforts to avoid killing civilians - Israel gains nothing from such "collateral damage" and loses much-Israeli missiles have killed dozens of innocent children who were deliberately placed in harm's way by Hamas terrorists. Hamas also knew that the media would show the dead Palestinian children around the world and cause outrage to be directed against Israel for causing their deaths. Indeed, it had its camera crews out and ready to film and transmit every gruesome image of every dead Palestinian child. Well not quite every Palestinian child! When a Hamas rocket aimed at Israeli children misfired and killed two Palestinian children, Hamas censored all images of these dead Palestinian children, because they were killed directly by Hamas rockets rather than indirectly by Hamas using them as human shields. That is the way Hamas manipulates the media coverage of its gruesome "dead baby" strategy. The media, of course, serves as Hamas' facilitator. I am not suggesting that the media not show these horrible images, but rather that they should present them with a critical perspective, indicating the actual cause and the real culprit - namely Hamas and its cynical double war crime strategy of targeting Israeli children and hiding behind Palestinian children. A cartoon that is making its way around the internet does a better job of explaining the Hamas strategy than any photograph or video. It shows an Israeli soldier and a Hamas terrorist shooting at each other. The Israeli soldier is standing in front of a baby carriage, protecting the baby. The Hamas terrorist is firing from behind a baby carriage, using the baby as a shield. That is the reality. The international community - most especially the United Nations, which has done nothing about genocides committed by Muslims - is accusing Israel of "war crimes" for defending its civilians against Hamas war crimes. This too is part of the Hamas strategy which the United Nations facilitates. If the media and the international community continue to play into the dirty hands of Hamas terrorists, its terrorism will continue and spread. Why not? It's a win-win strategy for terrorists and a lose-lose strategy for democracies. Hamas knows that by attacking Israeli civilians, they can secure one of two results: Israel will do nothing and Hamas will succeed in killing Israeli children; or Israel will respond and inevitably kill some Palestinian children, thereby provoking the ire of the media, the international community and ultimately decent people all around the world who are revolted by the cynically manipulated images of dead children. The Hamas strategy may now be spreading to Lebanon where twice in several days, rockets have targeted Israeli civilian areas. Hezbollah, which denies responsibility for these rockets, actually originated this strategy in the summer of 2006, when it provoked Israel into trying to defend its citizens and its kidnapped soldiers. Other nations in the world are susceptible to similar strategies, as the United States learned, when it went after the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and discovered that they too use civilians as human shields. Unless this "dead baby" strategy is exposed and rejected in the marketplace of morality, it's coming to a theater (or school or hospital) near you. |
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| Originally posted by CHRles Once there's a big enough stranglehold on the terrorist-loving Iranian government |
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| Originally posted by The17sss No, it's always the centerpiece of your rationalizations for Hamas being the victim and never in the wrong, and it's a weak argument. Just before this latest ordeal, Israel reopened a checkpoint to allow humanitarian aid to reenter Gaza. It then closed the point of entry after again being targeted by Gazan rockets. Israel's prime minister issued a stern final warning to Hamas that unless it stopped the rockets, there would be a full-scale military response. |
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| I'm sure it pains your Jew hating eyes to read words written by a Jew, because you'll just scream "Zionist propoganda! halalalalalalalaala!" like always. But try to get through this OP-ED even though it's written by the evil hands of the Jew scum you so despise. DERSHOWITZ: Hamas' dead baby strategy |
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| Originally posted by tathi its abhorrent, i think more than anything this quote by Nietzche sums up the gradual corrosion of the Israeli collective psyches' decent human dignity over the last 50 years: "Whoever battles with monsters had better see that he himself does not turn into a monster. And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." its scary to imagine what will happen in another 50 years... |
Actually the Likud Party are just realists. They're more pessimistic about the ability of the Palestinians to really live in peace. They'd rather not hand them over any land that is currently owned by Israel until the Palestinians prove themselves.
Thr Likud Party is right on all accounts - there are no illegal settlements in Israel. Those territories are currently in Israel's posession, have never been egally owned by Palestinians, and only owned by the Arab states for a couple of decades.
The Likud Party are tougher negotiators and arent just willing to hand the Golan Heights over to Syria without getting something concrete in return.
The Likud's party's charter doesnt suggest waging a jihad on another race or religion. The Hamas party is guilty of that.
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| Originally posted by CHRles Actually the Likud Party are just realists. They're more pessimistic about the ability of the Palestinians to really live in peace. They'd rather not hand them over any land that is currently owned by Israel until the Palestinians prove themselves. Thr Likud Party is right on all accounts - there are no illegal settlements in Israel. Those territories are currently in Israel's posession, have never been egally owned by Palestinians, and only owned by the Arab states for a couple of decades. The Likud Party are tougher negotiators and arent just willing to hand the Golan Heights over to Syria without getting something concrete in return. The Likud's party's charter doesnt suggest waging a jihad on another race or religion. The Hamas party is guilty of that. |
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| Originally posted by CHRles Actually the Likud Party are just realists. They're more pessimistic about the ability of the Palestinians to really live in peace. They'd rather not hand them over any land that is currently owned by Israel until the Palestinians prove themselves. Thr Likud Party is right on all accounts - there are no illegal settlements in Israel. Those territories are currently in Israel's posession, have never been egally owned by Palestinians, and only owned by the Arab states for a couple of decades. The Likud Party are tougher negotiators and arent just willing to hand the Golan Heights over to Syria without getting something concrete in return. The Likud's party's charter doesnt suggest waging a jihad on another race or religion. The Hamas party is guilty of that. |
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| Originally posted by TranceGiant Netanyahu has proven to be nothing short of a prophet regarding the Gaza strip. |
No, Netanyahu is spot on with regards to reality and Iran.
Krypton is the one who needs a reality check.
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| Originally posted by Krypton Look at this map...http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...stbankjan06.jpg The West Bank is cut up like Swiss cheese, and it is NOT A PART OF ISRAEL. |
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| Originally posted by Krypton Name one area of Gaza which isn't densely populated. Gaza has 7000 people per square mile. WTF do you expect? |
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| Originally posted by Krypton Now this is a great example of neocon-Zionist bullshit. Anyone who disagrees with you is an anti-Semite/anti-Jew. News flash, this pathetic insult does not faze me... It appears you'v posted an op-ed. Propaganda, if you didn't know, was the reporting of one point of view, but passed on as news. |
Israel soon to unilaterally declare cease fire. No Gilad Shalit return, no effective measure to halt the smuggling of further rockets....Pretty disappointed with the final outcome - Kadima will be history in 3 weeks time.
I watched a videoclip of the current conflict, and something really hit me. I realized that the conflict is a lot like the one which my ancestors fought in. Its not a very good analogy, but an interesting one anyway.
Back In World War II, when (Slavic countries) partisans resisted against occupation - by attacking Nazis and their infrastructure in the occupied areas, Nazis would respond with horrific retribution. For example, 100 dead Russians for one dead Nazi.
Look at Gaza. 13 dead Israelis (including military), and over 1100 Palestinian dead.
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| Originally posted by CHRles No, Netanyahu is spot on with regards to reality and Iran. Krypton is the one who needs a reality check. |
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| Originally posted by CHRles Actually it is part of Israel until Israel will decide if and when or whom to hand it over to. I'm glad the West Bank has been cut up into swiss cheese, and I'm very glad Israel built the wall around it. Makes it a lot harder for terrorists/suicide bombers to carry out their attacks that way. |
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| Originally posted by CHRles I expect you to give me better answers then that. If you want to talk about geography and densely populated areas here are some facts for ya: The number of people living in Manhattan also stands at 1.5 million (same as Gaza strip) yet it has over 70,000 people per square mile. There are 800,000 people living in San Francisco with a density of 16,000 per square mile. While Gaza City is very densely populated and small in area, its population only stands at 410,000, or the same number of people that live in the city of Miami. The rest of the strip is made up of smaller towns and villages. |
...Gaza is VERY densely populated, and to argue otherwise is arguing from delinquency...
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Look at Gaza. 13 dead Israelis (including military), and over 1100 Palestinian dead. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Did I call it or what? The blockade was to stop the smuggling of rockets and mortars into Gaza. |
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| And, where's the "pathetic insult"? I'm calling it how it is: you are a Jew hater, and totally buy in to the Palestinian propoganda that they are all victims and not responsible for anything, and that anything they do is justified due to the evil bloodsucking Jew. If I was going to start with the pathetic insults, I'd get into your love of glowsticking, spinning fire, and remind you that you were a staunch believer in the Bible just a few short years ago (while most figure out it's bullshit at age 8). But I won't get into pathetic insults |
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| And, it does look like Israel is going to announce a unilateral cease fire, but on their terms where it should be, putting the ball in Hamas' court. Rather than get entangled in a cease fire agreement that Hamas will likely violate as soon as they possibly can, the IDF will simply stop in place at an undetermined H-Hour. If Hamas stops attacking, Israel will continue, but if not, the IDF will be in place to continue its operations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/7835364.stm |
...funny...but also very sad.
Krypton, one quick question: why do you blame only Israel for the "blockade" when Egypt also closed their border with Gaza?
I mean, can't you understand that Israel don't want anything to do with Gaza, and as an Israeli citizen I want to seal the border with Gaza and never see/hear from the palestinians there again. That's it. They have Egypt that can take care of them.
Do you agree, that as a state, Israel can do that?
Good.
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| Originally posted by buitre Krypton, one quick question: why do you blame only Israel for the "blockade" when Egypt also closed their border with Gaza? |
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| I mean, can't you understand that Israel don't want anything to do with Gaza, and as an Israeli citizen I want to seal the border with Gaza and never see/hear from the palestinians there again. That's it. They have Egypt that can take care of them. Do you agree, that as a state, Israel can do that? Good. |
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| Originally posted by Krypton You don't have any choice but to deal with Gaza. |
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