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Originally posted by EddieZilker I've read the last few pages of the thread and just want to get what everyone's arguing with Joss over before I actually take a side in this: Joss: Suicide is a selfish act that has far-reaching consequences for the victim's loved ones. Everyone else: Suicide is an understandable act and its victim is sometimes better off and people, even loved ones left in the aftermath, ought to be able to understand this, Joss, you clueless cvnt. I realize this is a drastic over-simplification leaving out some rather insensitive and tactless things Joss, himself, has posted, but... I really want to make sure I have a basic yet accurate understanding before I continue. EDIT: Are my assumptions correct or is there something more than that?

No, thats basically right.

Again the cor-circle-jerk appears. I'm not one to join in circle jerks, I like to keep my opinions my own and not go with the group mentality.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No, thats basically right. Again the cor-circle-jerk appears. I'm not one to join in circle jerks, I like to keep my opinions my own and not go with the group mentality.

Thanks, Joss. Just want to ask anyone else if that's the gist of this somewhat cluster-f*cked topic...










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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL I didn't read much of the thread and I am sorry for your uncle but do you feel for him? Like, why he did this? It takes alot of strength to commit suicide.. and guts. Wow - I can't imagine it!

That is by far one of the most disgusting things I have ever read here.

Very sick mindset melly. Very sick.

How much more guts would it have taken to fucking DEAL WITH THE SITUATION?

It takes no guts to kill yourself because there are no consequences. You are dead, you don't have to deal with the hurt and pain your severance makes with the world around you. Its a fucking cop-out.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Thanks, Joss. Just want to ask anyone else if that's the gist of this somewhat cluster-f*cked topic... ?

nope i have my own opinions on suicide. Maybe theyre the same as nou's maybe they're not. I however just know when to shut my mouth and not add my opinion when its not wanted.


this isnt a debate this is just another thread nou acts like a total jerk off. the kid has no life, has nobody to give him attention so he comes on here and does his little song and dance so someone will notice him.

Nou you had your ip banned, you had your whole city banned from TA just so that you wouldnt show up here again because nobody gave a fuck about your opinions, but yet you try to find around the mass ip banning just to give your 2 cents on a web forum where nobody cares if you killed yourself.....you truly are a loser in life

God you are honestly so fucking clueless, Nou. Go volunteer on a psych ward, and listen to those people's life stories - really listen - and then come back here and say all the ignorant shit you're saying. Don't forget to tell those people how weak-minded they are, while you're at it.

Nou, is the whole Nordic-Anglo superiority kick you are on lately just a bit of a joke on your part, or is that actually the way you feel?

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Originally posted by EricB. nope i have my own opinions on suicide. Maybe theyre the same as nou's maybe they're not. I however just know when to shut my mouth and not add my opinion when its not wanted. this isnt a debate this is just another thread nou acts like a total jerk off. the kid has no life, has nobody to give him attention so he comes on here and does his little song and dance so someone will notice him. Nou you had your ip banned, you had your whole city banned from TA just so that you wouldnt show up here again because nobody gave a fuck about your opinions, but yet you try to find around the mass ip banning just to give your 2 cents on a web forum where nobody cares if you killed yourself.....you truly are a loser in life

My IP hasn't been banned for years... nor my ISP... Vivid, you are constantly stuck in the past. Weren't you supposed to be retired from this place?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Nou, is the whole Nordic-Anglo superiority kick you are on lately just a bit of a joke on your part, or is that actually the way you feel?

Making fun of Eric and Jay for being so stereotypically Italian-American is not superiority kick.

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Originally posted by jennypie God you are honestly so fucking clueless, Nou. Go volunteer on a psych ward, and listen to those people's life stories - really listen - and then come back here and say all the ignorant shit you're saying. Don't forget to tell those people how weak-minded they are, while you're at it.

Do you support assisted suicide for these people?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby That is by far one of the most disgusting things I have ever read here. Very sick mindset melly. Very sick. How much more guts would it have taken to fucking DEAL WITH THE SITUATION? It takes no guts to kill yourself because there are no consequences. You are dead, you don't have to deal with the hurt and pain your severance makes with the world around you. Its a fucking cop-out.

I don't find it disgusting at all. Maybe you read what I said wrong??

Obviously now I have been better since his death.. it was just this weekend that I had a little bit of trouble missing my friend. The one thing that bothered me most after his death was the image in my head that he put a gun to his head and ACTUALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER.

You know I am one of the people who definitely wanted him to handle the situation.. to get through this little hump in life but he had an extremely depressive 3 years. Nothing went his way..

I def don't think this was a cop-out and I do think strength is needed. I don't think people just say "oh i want ot kill myself.. let me just do it".. it's alot more than that. This was planned.. for who knows how long.. I saw him 3 times during the last 3 months of his life and everything I think about just has me wonder if he knew then what was going to happen. Everything has a different meaning. His last hug.. his last goodbye to me...

I think this is where you guys are getting confused. If these people have deep, unsolvable mental issues than maybe some sort of assisted suicide program like we have in Washington State for terminally ill patients is valid. It still needs to be vetted by doctors and the families should be allowed to collect themselves and prepare themselves for the departure of their loved ones.

Them going out and shooting themselves in the back yard with out telling anyone, or slicing their wrists in a bathtub, or hanging themselves from the rafters for a family member to stumble upon is NOT the way they should go about it. That is just going to hurt people.

I support assisted suicide for whoever needs it. I already said that in this thread. If pills, therapy, and ECT don't work, I see no reason why people at the end of their rope shouldn't be be allowed (lol BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A CHOICE CONCERNING THEIR OWN LIFE) to end it.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Making fun of Eric and Jay for being so stereotypically Italian-American is not superiority kick.

But then there was this, too:

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I say this because I found the US education system to be slow and not up to my standards, so I never finished because I got bored. Why do homework when I ace the tests? I never graduated HS but I have worked in the software development industry and now I have interested from a large defense contractor in the research/simulation work that I am doing... So really its just most are retarded from genetic make up. My fathers side was almost entirely made up of British/Scottish decent, and my mothers side is 100% Scandinavian. Minus the fact that Scottish can be somewhat stupid sometimes I think that my racial and national make up are vastly superior.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I think this is where you guys are getting confused. If these people have deep, unsolvable mental issues than maybe some sort of assisted suicide program like we have in Washington State for terminally ill patients is valid. It still needs to be vetted by doctors and the families should be allowed to collect themselves and prepare themselves for the departure of their loved ones. Them going out and shooting themselves in the back yard with out telling anyone, or slicing their wrists in a bathtub, or hanging themselves from the rafters for a family member to stumble upon is NOT the way they should go about it. That is just going to hurt people.

But this is a whole different topic...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But then there was this, too:

Compared to people in the US that are a hodgepodge of every european country yes.

I think that lineages that stay inside their national and for a larger sense genetic lines tend to do better. A strong sense of national identity and racial identity can never be a bad thing in terms of dealing with social structures and institutions within those groups.

The problem in the US is that there is no national or racial identity. I mean we have a lot of amazing things, but the culture that it ends up as is basically mediocre. You look at Asians and they tend to be over all more intelligent and diligent and I think that comes from them being homogeneous for the most part. They have a very pure culture which comes from a strong national and racial identity.

Once you have those then people can begin to see things as working as part of group for a greater good than just themselves.

In the US we don't see that, since we have no one national or racial identity, our views on the group as a whole are somewhat baseless and that leads to a weakening society.

Thats just something I been formulating for the last few months. Who knows how true it is, but its an interesting way to look at things.

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Originally posted by jennypie I support assisted suicide for whoever needs it. I already said that in this thread. If pills, therapy, and ECT don't work, I see no reason why people at the end of their rope shouldn't be be allowed (lol BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A CHOICE CONCERNING THEIR OWN LIFE) to end it.

But you agree a sudden and violent departure is not a good way to handle it right? I mean not allowing the families to get their books in order is just going to cause harm to them.

Wow, Nou... just wow.

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL But this is a whole different topic...

hes only doing it for attention. anyway he can get it. hes a fake and a fraud. the quicker you leave him alone the quicker his screen will turn black and he can see his reflection

No, I don't agree with that at all. I think it's irrelevant, as it's a personal choice and it's not up to me to judge what is the "right" way for another person to handle their own fucking life.

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Originally posted by Lira Wow, Nou... just wow.

I do not think the world is ready for humanism in the sense that you can look at it from "we are all people." Its a nice thought but its obviously not working. It is an admirable goal and we do need to see it if our species (the most important thing, above national or genetic identity is our identity as a species) is to survive, but I do not think that we are even close to that yet.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby My IP hasn't been banned for years... nor my ISP... Vivid, you are constantly stuck in the past. Weren't you supposed to be retired from this place?

I am retired. i retired the legacy of vivid boy, my online persona. It was fun fuckin with people but I dont use ta for that anymore.

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Originally posted by EricB. hes only doing it for attention. anyway he can get it. hes a fake and a fraud. the quicker you leave him alone the quicker his screen will turn black and he can see his reflection

Obviously you are the only one who thinks I am just taking the piss here. If I was I probably woulda given up a while ago or said "haha fuck you i dont really give a shit" when I got bored.

Sudden deaths happen. Accidents happen.

Death of a loved one is never an easy thing.

edit - to tell you the truth.. when I received the phone call about Raul passing I immediately dropped to the floor crying. I never even got the word "HOW" out.. I had a million things running through my head.. and the 1 thing I honestly thought about was - a car accident.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I do not think the world is ready for humanism in the sense that you can look at it from "we are all people." Its a nice thought but its obviously not working. It is an admirable goal and we do need to see it if our species (the most important thing, above national or genetic identity is our identity as a species) is to survive, but I do not think that we are even close to that yet.

you and ******** need to sit down and eat shrooms together. you are both fuckin whackos.

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Originally posted by EricB. I am retired. i retired the legacy of vivid boy, my online persona. It was fun fuckin with people but I dont use ta for that anymore.

Now he just uses it to recruit physiotherapists
(aka. women who will give hand jobs to invalids)

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