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Posted by wienerschnitzel on Jan-27-2011 18:23:

quote:
Originally posted by netroM
I know.


So if female genital mutilation was done in a clean and sterile environment, akin to the one of circumcisions, you would then defend that as well? Since it's the parents' decision?


quote:
removing any nerves that would make sex pleasurable and the other is removing the foreskin, not loping off the head of the penis.


and what eddie said. Is female circumcision practiced in medical offices or hospitals in the developing world?


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jan-27-2011 18:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
not really the same, as a sudden absence of humanity would have broader effects then just to the now non-existant humans. A better argument would be if cars had never been made with stereos... we'd still be able to drive as necessary but the experience would be somewhat lessend by the absence of auditory entertainment; however, we would be entirely unaware that the experience could be marginally better.


Or if they'd never invtend snarblagle for Mutcroxes. We'd really be missing out!


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-27-2011 18:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Or if they'd never invtend snarblagle for Mutcroxes. We'd really be missing out!



Get back to reading harry potter.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jan-27-2011 18:33:

Did I accidentally name something from Harry Potter?


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jan-27-2011 18:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Or if they'd never invtend snarblagle for Mutcroxes. We'd really be missing out!


what you talkin' 'bout Willis?


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-27-2011 18:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Did I accidentally name something from Harry Potter?


I don't know, but it sounded gay enough.


Posted by Halcyon+On+On on Jan-27-2011 19:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
what you talkin' 'bout Willis?


Exactly! You don't miss snarfblagles one bit.


Posted by jenga on Jan-27-2011 19:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I think it's pretty disingenuious to try and put the two forms of circumcision on the same level. Female circumcision generally results in a near total absence of sensation; whereas, most men who have been circumcised report an entirely acceptable level of sensation. Is it less then the sensation felt by uncircumsised men... probably; however, if it's still sufficient as to be pleasurable and these men know nothing else then it's really inconsequential.


But if a chick was circumsised you can use the same argument. They know nothing else so it's inconsequential.


Posted by Silky Johnson on Jan-27-2011 19:33:

I'm pretty sure a circumcised female WOULD know the difference when she wonders why her male partner can have orgasms and enjoy sex, and she can't.


Posted by Moral Hazard on Jan-27-2011 19:49:

quote:
Originally posted by jenga
But if a chick was circumsised you can use the same argument. They know nothing else so it's inconsequential.


The difference being the circumsised male experiences an entirely satisfactory level of sensation whereas the circumsised female experiences none.


Posted by ziptnf on Jan-27-2011 19:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
The difference being the circumsised male experiences an entirely satisfactory level of sensation whereas the circumsised female experiences none.

Don't let Nou hear you say that. He'll come in here parroting about how sensitive his cock is when he touches it.


Posted by Zyklon_Jay on Jan-27-2011 20:06:

i have a very sensitive cock. the leakage is what i believe to be sadness for what we have done to nature.


Posted by netroM on Jan-27-2011 20:40:

quote:
Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
and what eddie said. Is female circumcision practiced in medical offices or hospitals in the developing world?

Not that I know of, but your argument against female mutilation seemed to be all about its uncleanliness.

My question was really if you would have supported the parents' decision if it was practised in medical offices or hospitals. It's the whole "up to the parents"-thing that is bothering me.


Posted by wienerschnitzel on Jan-27-2011 20:48:

quote:
Originally posted by netroM
Not that I know of, but your argument against female mutilation seemed to be all about its uncleanliness.

My question was really if you would have supported the parents' decision if it was practised in medical offices or hospitals. It's the whole "up to the parents"-thing that is bothering me.


it was an additional point, not the main argument. my biggest problem with female mutilation is that it takes away the womans right to enjoy sex, and although i've heard a circumcised penis has less feeling (which i still don't know to be true unless you've been circumcised as an adult)you can still enjoy sex just fine.. my husband is circumcised.
If it is so abusive and horrible, then why is it accepted in hospitals and clinics? Would they cut off other parts of my kids body if i asked them to? I'm not even suggesting that there is any real benefit of circumcision, but my husband personally wanted his sons penis to look the same as his, that's the reason a lot of parents do it, whether you think it is right or wrong. why do i feel like i'm repeating myself? is it really this hard to understand?!


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-27-2011 20:55:

quote:
Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
but my husband personally wanted his sons penis to look the same as his



Thats one of the oddest reasons right there...


Posted by wienerschnitzel on Jan-27-2011 21:17:

well i'm officially done defending myself.. if you can't even try to understand (not agree) where i'm coming from then you have a personal invitation from me to GO FUCK YOURSELF. WITH YOUR PERFECT UNCIRCUMCISED PENIS'.


Posted by bananas on Jan-27-2011 21:18:

oh, you're still talking about that?

bbl


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jan-27-2011 21:32:

quote:
Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
well i'm officially done defending myself.. if you can't even try to understand (not agree) where i'm coming from then you have a personal invitation from me to GO FUCK YOURSELF. WITH YOUR PERFECT UNCIRCUMCISED PENIS'.


I already told you I understand, but most of the people defending circumcision, including yourself, don't seem to acknowledge why we consider the practice (at least) odd.


Posted by netroM on Jan-27-2011 22:41:

quote:

I'm not even suggesting that there is any real benefit of circumcision, but my husband personally wanted his sons penis to look the same as his, that's the reason a lot of parents do it, whether you think it is right or wrong.

So he did it for aesthetics, then? He gave no other reason?
(Hey, what's done is done. I'm more curious about his views/reasons)

quote:
Originally posted by wienerschnitzel
is it really this hard to understand?!

No. I see your point very clearly


Posted by wienerschnitzel on Jan-27-2011 22:57:

This is the last thing i am going to say about it..
It was for the reason already mentioned, which yes i guess you can say aesthetics, but my husband also believes that it is more hygienic and also that it would prevent STD's. I used to believe that until i did some reading about it and from what i understand, there is no evidence to support such a thing. It may seem strange to a lot of people, i get that. But there are a lot of strange customs out there, especially when it comes to religion and geography. I have been married for almost 6 years now.. you are not going to agree on everything. You have to pick and choose your battles and this wasn't something i felt worth arguing about. My husband felt strongly that he was doing the right thing and that is why i support him. Raising kids is hard, you try and do the best you can, make the best choices, but it's impossible to be a perfect parent. My son is fine and if he wishes he had foreskin when he was older he can talk to his father about that. I hope when you guys get married and/or start having kids that you have a lot of support, because i can tell you first hand it is challenging to say the least. If you really believe it is barbaric and torture then you are suggesting i am a terrible parent, because what kind of parent would subject their baby to torture? That's why i take it personally. I am a good parent.. both my husband an i have put our lives on hold giving our kids the best life we can. I don't think anyone in their right mind could argue that. That being said, sorry for my previous outburst, i've had a shitty day.


Posted by Fledz on Jan-28-2011 05:29:

I don't get the "it's easier to clean a circumcised dick" bullshit that people throw around. Some of you must be rubbish at keeping yourselves clean. lrn2hygiene.


Posted by bas on Jan-28-2011 05:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
I don't get the "it's easier to clean a circumcised dick" bullshit that people throw around. Some of you must be rubbish at keeping yourselves clean. lrn2hygiene.

I think there's gotta be some kind of extra effort on one's part cleaning an uncircumcised penis vs a circumcised one. I mean that one extra step is still something extra


Posted by Sushipunk on Jan-28-2011 05:45:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
I think there's gotta be some kind of extra effort on one's part cleaning an uncircumcised penis vs a circumcised one. I mean that one extra step is still something extra


Awesomely extra


Posted by Fledz on Jan-28-2011 05:47:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
I think there's gotta be some kind of extra effort on one's part cleaning an uncircumcised penis vs a circumcised one. I mean that one extra step is still something extra

Takes a lot of mental preparation man.


Posted by Lira on Jan-28-2011 05:54:

quote:
Originally posted by bas
I think there's gotta be some kind of extra effort on one's part cleaning an uncircumcised penis vs a circumcised one. I mean that one extra step is still something extra

Actually, the foreskin is very useful if you fill it with water and squeeze it. The funny sound it makes is something circumcised guys will never know... or feel


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