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Originally posted by audi_driver4lyf Personally I could care less about Clemens. I'm a Mets fan and could really care less about the American League. The Yankees have a payroll that is ready to pop 200 million. I think it's a joke that they don't win the World Series every year with that payroll.

Maybe you should start a mets thread so we can hear about how good reyes is.

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Originally posted by audi_driver4lyf Personally I could care less about Clemens. I'm a Mets fan and could really care less about the American League. The Yankees have a payroll that is ready to pop 200 million. I think it's a joke that they don't win the World Series every year with that payroll.

the mets payroll is just like the florida teams

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Originally posted by TranceHater the mets payroll is just like the florida teams

poor example of sarcasm. You have to throw a "yeah, and" in front of it.

hey hey.....not nice to talk to people you know like that!!!

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Originally posted by TranceHater the mets payroll is just like the florida teams

no but it's a shit load closer to the other teams that we are playing against.

Yankees $195,229,045 $6,732,036
Red Sox 143,526,214 5,125,936
Mets 117,915,819 3,930,527
White Sox 109,680,167 4,218,468
Angels 109,251,333 3,641,711
Dodgers 108,704,524 3,748,432
Mariners 106,516,833 3,945,068
Cubs 99,937,000 3,701,370
Tigers 95,180,369 3,172,679
Orioles 95,107,807 3,396,707
Giants 90,469,056 3,479,579
Cardinals 90,286,823 3,224,529
Braves 89,492,685 3,196,167
Phillies 89,368,214 3,081,663
Astros 87,759,500 3,250,352
Athletics 79,938,369 2,854,942
Blue Jays 79,925,600 2,960,207
Brewers 71,986,500 2,666,167
Twins 71,439,500 2,551,411
Reds 69,154,980 2,161,093
Rangers 68,818,675 2,457,810
Royals 67,366,500 2,173,113
Indians 61,673,267 2,126,664
Padres 58,235,567 2,239,829
Rockies 54,424,000 2,015,704
D-backs 52,067,546 1,859,555
Pirates 38,604,500 1,429,796
Nationals 37,347,500 1,287,845
Marlins 30,507,000 984,097
Devil Rays 24,124,200 893,489

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Originally posted by audi_driver4lyf hey hey.....not nice to talk to people you know like that!!!

oh...did i hurt someone's feelings.


on a side note, janelle said nan is pissed at me for not going to the hospital, during finals. I am about to tell them to fuck off.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Maybe you should start a mets thread so we can hear about how good reyes is.

we don't need a 3rd thread for baseball. hell, this thread should really be merged with the NYTA basbeall thread.

we may as well have a thread for the mets, red sox, the phillies, the orioles, the pirantes and the nationals while we're at it

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Originally posted by djstopngo "So let me get this straight...we're supposed to be scared of the Yankees hiring a 45 year old fat man with groin problems? Really?" PS I'm ready for "Brokeback Bronx" the movie in which the prominent love tryst between Clemens and Pettite comes full circle and onto the big screen.

Fuck you..The Red Sox make the NYPD look like athletes....

Pavanno is also 10 million of that number. also not included in the red sox is the acquisition fee of dice which brings them alot closer to the yanks

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Originally posted by steven-neil Fuck you..The Red Sox make the NYPD look like athletes....

ortiz makes anyone look like a world class athlete; that fat fuck. Imagine if he had to actually play.

Although i can't taking anything away from his clutch hitting. That still isn't much of an athletic ability.

ny rangers payroll is superior to hockey teams and they didnt even make playoffs for a number of years so money doesnt equal championships buddy.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 ortiz makes anyone look like a world class athlete; that fat fuck. Imagine if he had to actually play. Although i can't taking anything away from his clutch hitting. That still isn't much of an athletic ability.

That fat fuck couldn't steel a base even if he was being chased by the "KKK".....

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 im pretty sure you wouldn't be talking shit about clemens if he signed with boston. BTW, how's matsuzaka doing. He seems to be getting worse as the year wears on.

Yes and no - Clemens is an arm for hire and the Yanks had the highest demand for his arm. I think his signing hurts your ability to farm (ranked 7th from 27th in '04) and places a lot of pressure on you to win now with a team that is mediocre in comparison to your most recent World Series teams. Let's face it, Clemens is a quick fix, a stop gap to a much larger problem. Your staff is aging and aging quickly and only Hughes waits in the wings. After this season you need to get young, talented arms and the 20 million you dropped on Clemens will serve as an unwelcome handicap.

Plus, the thought of bringing back the "Who's your dealer" chant when Clemens makes his return to Fenway sounds almost to good to be true.

As for Matz, people who thought he'd dominate here, right away, like he did in Japan were foolish. The same learning curve that Beckett experienced last year, he's experiencing in the present at a much greater degree. I expect him to rebound slightly, say sometime around the all star break and not fully fill his shoes until next season.

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Originally posted by djstopngo Yes and no - Clemens is an arm for hire and the Yanks had the highest demand for his arm. I think his signing hurts your ability to farm (ranked 7th from 27th in '04) and places a lot of pressure on you to win now with a team that is mediocre in comparison to your most recent World Series teams. Let's face it, Clemens is a quick fix, a stop gap to a much larger problem. Your staff is aging and aging quickly and only Hughes waits in the wings. After this season you need to get young, talented arms and the 20 million you dropped on Clemens will serve as an unwelcome handicap. Plus, the thought of bringing back the "Who's your dealer" chant when Clemens makes his return to Fenway sounds almost to good to be true. As for Matz, people who thought he'd dominate here, right away, like he did in Japan were foolish. The same learning curve that Beckett experienced last year, he's experiencing in the present at a much greater degree. I expect him to rebound slightly, say sometime around the all star break and not fully fill his shoes until next season.

how is signing clemens going to hurt the farm? It was a money transaction. Let's not forget wang. We still have sanchez and every other pitching prospect we picked up this offseason. Please explain how it hurts the minor league system.

as for beckett, he's going to slide. While he looks good, he still hasn't faced any real offensive teams besides the yankees(where he was ok, not spectacular). I mean, seattle, KC, Bal, Oak, and LA. That's not exactly the cream of the crop as far as offensive powers. Before i say that beckett is hitting his stride, i would wait until he pitches against cleveland, detroit, texas (when they decide to start hitting), and the yankees again. After he gets rattled, i think he'll lose his stride again. The one thing he does have going for him is that he actually pitched a whole season last year. Maybe his arm is getting stronger. Who knows. i would just wait before you anoint him the savor.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 oh...did i hurt someone's feelings. on a side note, janelle said nan is pissed at me for not going to the hospital, during finals. I am about to tell them to fuck off.

Just go man......It will only take 10 minutes.

Where is she at?

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Originally posted by audi_driver4lyf Just go man......It will only take 10 minutes. Where is she at?

dude, im in brooklyn all the time studying. if i was at home i would go, but that's not the case. Im not going to fail an exam just to see her because everyone says im a piece of shit for not going. Fuck them.

Ahhh......thought you were home.

Well you know how I feel about "the family", so just do your thing.

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Originally posted by steven-neil That fat fuck couldn't steel a base even if he was being chased by the "KKK".....

haha...he'd be up in a tree so fast, well that's if they could pick up his fat ass.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 how is signing clemens going to hurt the farm? It was a money transaction. Let's not forget wang. We still have sanchez and every other pitching prospect we picked up this offseason. Please explain how it hurts the minor league system.

In the sense that the Clemens signing is an abrupt diversion from Cashman's GMing since '04 (The Sheffield Trade and the unwillingness to trade Melky & Cano are recent examples). Bill James showed that overspending in free agency has a direct hindrance on a team's ability to keep top prospects (through either trades or free agency). So, one must way that hindrance with what they're getting out of free agency, that's all I'm saying.

The Marlins (first WS win), Indians collapses after world series titles are two such examples of this trend.

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Originally posted by djstopngo In the sense that the Clemens signing is an abrupt diversion from Cashman's GMing since '04 (The Sheffield Trade and the unwillingness to trade Melky & Cano are recent examples). Bill James showed that overspending in free agency has a direct hindrance on a team's ability to keep top prospects (through either trades or free agency). So, one must way that hindrance with what they're getting out of free agency, that's all I'm saying. The Marlins (first WS win), Indians collapses after world series titles are two such examples of this trend.

I don't really agree with that. the timing for free agency doesn't start until you enter the bigs (i think). Sanchez and the other guys from the arizona system aren't going to be hurt because they weren't coming up this year anyway. Clemens is wham bam kinda thing. He's gone after this year. I see it as a temporary fix that has little negative side effect, except that now i really can't afford to go to the games. Pretty soon yankees fans are going to be in the same position as sox fans with the worst seats going for at least 75 dollars.

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Originally posted by djstopngo In the sense that the Clemens signing is an abrupt diversion from Cashman's GMing since '04 (The Sheffield Trade and the unwillingness to trade Melky & Cano are recent examples). Bill James showed that overspending in free agency has a direct hindrance on a team's ability to keep top prospects (through either trades or free agency). So, one must way that hindrance with what they're getting out of free agency, that's all I'm saying. The Marlins (first WS win), Indians collapses after world series titles are two such examples of this trend.

Actually, in the SABR community, a huge one year deal is always better than a smaller, multi-year deal. Clemens at 28 million for 1 year is a better deal than Clemens at 28 million over 3 years. Clemens for this one year is a better signing than Zito over 7 years is.

let's give it up for the Yankee's bullpen...another blown save!

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Originally posted by ludawg23 let's give it up for the Yankee's bullpen...another blown save!

farnesworth is a bum, and mariano is done. He needs to develop a change or a curve. He's not fooling anyone with his slowing cutter.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 farnesworth is a bum, and mariano is done. He needs to develop a change or a curve. He's not fooling anyone with his slowing cutter.

I don't understand what's wrong with Farnsworth. He's got great stuff yet he cannot put it all together. I remember 3-4 years back when they signed him and there were talks about him eventually taking over for Mo.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 farnesworth is a bum, and mariano is done. He needs to develop a change or a curve. He's not fooling anyone with his slowing cutter.

i thought he was working on a changeup during spring training. (mariano that is)

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