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a Future Shop or Best Buy is a good store to riot in

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Originally posted by urban_legend I am officailly putting a snow plow on my car.

but...theres no snow....might wanna get a massive grill instead....and using ur on dash cigarette lighter, heat it up so marks are left

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Originally posted by King_Mack uh what? Genocide usually refers to deliberate extermination of a racial group within a country. The racial group being tamils and the country being Sri Lanka. In fact, to the south of the country where a majority of Sinhalese people live, they are completely unaffected by this and prior to BBC news making a huge deal about it--they were unaware of what was going on in the North. AND, there are more tamils still in Sri lanka than abroad. There are roughly 2 million in the country, as opposed to around 600,000 abroad(the majority of them in Canada). Genocide might be a harsh word to use in this situation, but in no way are the victims "casualties of war" when the government is deliberately bombing the so-called free-zones that contain hospitals and camps. EDIT: spelling, fail at engrish

so my typing skills are not at par with those of you who sit in an office all day long switching back and forth between what ever it might be that you are working on, and Tranceaddict. Well EXCUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE me spelling nazi, im am humbled before a person as great as yourself. please please please FORGIVE the humble banquet chef.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL be it as it may, inconvenience or not, it seems like what the protesters are doing is working and garnering the attention of government officials.. McGuinty urges Ottawa to act on Sri Lanka http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/634362 another interesting article on the whole issue: Tamils get in staid old city's face http://www.thestar.com/news/columnist/article/634125

Morals of the story, in canada hooliganism works. Also that the left wing will do anything and say anything for a vote.

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Originally posted by Halycon so my typing skills are not at par with those of you who sit in an office all day long switching back and forth between what ever it might be that you are working on, and Tranceaddict. Well EXCUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE me spelling nazi, im am humbled before a person as great as yourself. please please please FORGIVE the humble banquet chef.

lol dude, I wasn't criticizing your spelling mistakes. I was saying I made a few spelling mistakes and thats why I edited my post--it was directed to myself. Its a habit I formed because people would post later and be like "omgomg you edit ur potss lolz you suck argument"

you're in the clear buddy

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Morals of the story, in canada [b]hooliganism[b/] works. Also that the left wing will do anything and say anything for a vote.

Stop it with your sensationalizing already. You're acting as if they burned and smashed cars, broken into stores and stole things. All they did was shut down a highway and inconvenienced a couple hundred people. Boo-fucking-hoo Soccer matches in Europe are more dangerous than this "riot".

You're right about the moral of the story though: this does work. Maybe if more people were this passionate about certain issues we wouldn't have to deal with a lot of the crap we have to around here (nightlife, corruption...and just general government incompetence)

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Stop it with your sensationalizing already. You're acting as if they burned and smashed cars, broken into stores and stole things. All they did was shut down a highway and inconvenienced a couple hundred people. Boo-fucking-hoo Soccer matches in Europe are more dangerous than this "riot". You're right about the moral of the story though: this does work. Maybe if more people were this passionate about certain issues we wouldn't have to deal with a lot of the crap we have to around here (nightlife, corruption...and just general government incompetence)

Illegally shut down a highway, used children as shields, assaulted police, threw their bikes over the bridge. ahhh but thats nothing right?

Im all for peaceful protests. And i wish we would do it more often for Canadian issues. And i dont mind when the tamils or anyone else gather at queens park, even if there are so many that it shuts down university from spill over. But Sunday night was a disgrace pure and simple and uncalled for.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Im all for peaceful protests. And i wish we would do it more often for Canadian issues. And i dont mind when the tamils or anyone else gather at queens park, even if there are so many that it shuts down university from spill over. But Sunday night was a disgrace pure and simple and uncalled for.

I absolutely don't agree with nor condone what they did on the Gardiner, but I'm pretty sure they could have sat on the lawn at Queen's Park for eternity and the government would have done nothing.

So what are the options in the City of Toronto, Province of Ontario, and Liberal Party of Canada's eyes? Well they can either:

A. Have the cops remove them by force the next time something like this happens and risk injury, a loss of life, and public relations nightmare. Not to mention the costs and resources for mobilizing such a police force.

B. Play "lip service" on the matter with the Fed in hopes that it appeases the protesters. Should the Tamils decide to create a public disturbance again like they did last time, I wouldn't be surprised to hear "Hey we did our part, however the Harper government remains silent on the matter."


I don't doubt that McGuinty and Ignatieff feel the matter in Sri Lanka is serious, but I'm sure this is as much about politics as it is about bringing attention to a humanitarian crisis. They (this includes Harper) could have easily said something before which would have cost them nothing and hopefully have avoided this mess in the first place. This doesn't just go for Sri Lanka, but any part of the world where a humanitarian crisis is unfolding and we as Canadians have a responsibility to (at the very least) voice some concern as part of the international community. We're not talking about sending an army over there or aid, we're talking about openly acknowledging the issue in the public. How much does that cost? Maybe the Fed already has? If so, I digress.

I'm just concerned that by acknowledging their plight at this level only after such a large public disturbance is only going to set precedence in showing the protesters that they can achieve their aims through further unlawful action.

Why should Harper say anything? Furthermore if i were prime minister, events like Sunday would encourage me NOT to say anything. I feel bad for what is happening over there. But it's not our war, its not our politics. How do we take sides when there are politics and "atrocities" on both sides? From what i have read, the Tamils are not exactly innocent players in this either.

Im not even that angry about the highway shutdown as i am about using 10 year old girls as shields against the police. Apparently the tamils employ the same tactics in Sri Lanka as well. That action was just downright despicable.

I am also sick of liberal politicians pandering to special interests at every perceivable opportunity thus legitimizing their actions.

What will happen if we condone this type of behaviour, it just opens the door to other causes' protests in the future. Today, the Tamils, tomorrow, who will it be, and so forth?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Why should Harper say anything? Furthermore if i were prime minister, events like Sunday would encourage me NOT to say anything. I feel bad for what is happening over there. But it's not our war, its not our politics. How do we take sides when there are politics and "atrocities" on both sides? From what i have read, the Tamils are not exactly innocent players in this either. Im not even that angry about the highway shutdown as i am about using 10 year old girls as shields against the police. Apparently the tamils employ the same tactics in Sri Lanka as well. That action was just downright despicable. I am also sick of liberal politicians pandering to special interests at every perceivable opportunity thus legitimizing their actions.

Who said we had to take sides? We're talking about encouraging the international community to take action in stopping a war. Isn't it the UN's mandate to be doing this type of stuff? It only happens in the UN because the international community makes it a point of concern. Last time I checked Canada was a member of that body. Sure we're not as influential as the US, China, or Russia, but we're not Tahiti either. If we're not even willing to (talk) about it in a place where we have representation via. an ambassador, why do we bother sending foreign aid to other countries in the first place?

I think the fact that the government only started to give this matter the attention AFTER the Gardiner shutdown sets a bad example. Like Abercrombie said, the Tamils today, who knows tomorrow?

All I'm saying is that this may have been prevented. How hard was it for Stephen Harper to say: "Hey yeah we know there's a war going on over there. Yes people caught in the middle are dying and it's wrong. I'll let our ambassador to the UN know that Canada encourages peacekeeping action by the international community at the next UN assembly." Is that so hard?

so a couple days ago, when I was coming home, in front of division 52, there were TTC busses standing there with Police task forces sitting and waiting in them...whats up with that? were they thinking of sneaking up on the protesters or something?

i believe harper made a statement a couple of months ago. But thats not good enough for these folks i guess. I think the goal of the organizers is to get the tigers off the terror list so they can resume fund raising for them to be honest. Really what can canada do beyond a symbolic statement? We are not a member of the security council. China and Russia are and they are not willing to pass any resolutions on this. If these guys should be protesting anywhere it should be the chinese and russian consulates. But of course that wouldnt garner as much pandering from liberals and the commies would probably just laugh at them.

I think there are a lot of legitimate people protesting who are getting swept into the politics of their so called leaders in a quest to gain political and monetary advantage.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie What will happen if we condone this type of behaviour, it just opens the door to other causes' protests in the future. Today, the Tamils, tomorrow, who will it be, and so forth?

I was talking about this with a friend last night. It's scary. Can you imagine this happening every weekend? Imagine trying to drive home and having pitbulls and owners blocking the DVP as they feel their pets rights have been violated.

Our government needs to set a standard and show that this type of protesting is not exceptable in Canada.

Everyone should have the right to protest but no one should have the right to force the government into action by shutting down roads every other day.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL Who said we had to take sides? We're talking about encouraging the international community to take action in stopping a war. Isn't it the UN's mandate to be doing this type of stuff? It only happens in the UN because the international community makes it a point of concern. Last time I checked Canada was a member of that body. Sure we're not as influential as the US, China, or Russia, but we're not Tahiti either. If we're not even willing to (talk) about it in a place where we have representation via. an ambassador, why do we bother sending foreign aid to other countries in the first place? I think the fact that the government only started to give this matter the attention AFTER the Gardiner shutdown sets a bad example. Like Abercrombie said, the Tamils today, who knows tomorrow? All I'm saying is that this may have been prevented. How hard was it for Stephen Harper to say: "Hey yeah we know there's a war going on over there. Yes people caught in the middle are dying and it's wrong. I'll let our ambassador to the UN know that Canada encourages peacekeeping action by the international community at the next UN assembly." Is that so hard?

he was too busy making up attack ads.

I think a great way to stage a national protest is to just shutter every business. National strike = national holiday. But about Canadian issues.

Non violent, makes a point, and a day (or a week) off. You can bet that when the government stops making tax revenue that they will act.

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Originally posted by Intangible I was talking about this with a friend last night. It's scary. Can you imagine this happening every weekend? Imagine trying to drive home and having pitbulls and owners blocking the DVP as they feel their pets rights have been violated. Our government needs to set a standard and show that this type of protesting is not exceptable in Canada. Everyone should have the right to protest but no one should have the right to force the government into action by shutting down roads every other day.

You precicely get my point. There have been other protests a few months ago by other potentially aggressive groups with some also waving recognized terrorist flags, that are probably kicking themselves right now not having thought of it first, and now may likely employ such tactics in the future. Other groups are watching these events unfold with a keen eye in planning their next one to test their boundaries. It's only going to escalate.

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Originally posted by smuncky he was too busy making up attack ads.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie

1 dead as car plows into Mexican bike race

The 28-year-old driver was apparently drunk and fell asleep when he crashed in the race, said police investigator Jose Alfredo Rodriguez. A photo taken by an official of the city showed cyclists and equipment launched high into the air by the collision.

Rodriguez said Juan Campos was charged with murder Alejandro Alvarez, 37, of Monterrey. Authorities said the wreck happened 15 minutes in the 34 kilometers (21 miles) race Sunday along a road between Baghdad and Playa Matamoros, across from Brownsville, Texas.
Campos said he is a U.S. citizen living in Brownsville. The USA Consulate could not immediately confirm that.

lol

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Originally posted by smuncky he was too busy making up attack ads.

Seeing these tactics, when an election hasn't even been called, just make me loath Harper and the Conservative Party.

Actually this is in response to the attack ads that the Liberals are already running.

Sorry to say that this ad makes a good point. Where was Ignatieff for most of his life? Certainly not Canada

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Originally posted by Abercrombie You precicely get my point. There have been other protests a few months ago by other potentially aggressive groups with some also waving recognized terrorist flags, that are probably kicking themselves right now not having thought of it first, and now may likely employ such tactics in the future. Other groups are watching these events unfold with a keen eye in planning their next one to test their boundaries. It's only going to escalate.

Why do i get the feeling that the taliban and hamas could stage a similar protest and actually get sympathy from elements of canadian society and politicians?

Are we really that much of a self loathing country?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I think there are a lot of legitimate people protesting who are getting swept into the politics of their so called leaders in a quest to gain political and monetary advantage.

I think you are describing almost every event in every political situation pretty much, worldwide... come on, you are not normally the Captain Obvious type.

hmm at this rate, the war there might be over sooner than we think..

Tamil Tigers nearly completely encircled
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/634767

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