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Any suggestions how I should start working on my setup. I have 0 knowledge so need help. I want to like try producing my own melodies - I heard Ableton is a good way to go about it. Should I buy the software and learn it or do I need something more?

hahaha wow .. nice to see ur very determined .. but in my opinion i think u are abit tooo ambitious..its not a bad thing but try starting out djing first .. then learn about beatmatching and stuff .. then further down the line .. after u are confident with ur mixing and stuff.. then go on to producing...

anywayz if u haven already have decks.. u can get either vinyl TT .. or CDjs.. TT will be cheaper.. but will be more expensive in the long run due to vinyl buying .. CDjs .. will be abit more expensive.. but its cheaper than vinyl..

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Originally posted by jun139 hahaha wow .. nice to see ur very determined .. but in my opinion i think u are abit tooo ambitious.. try starting out djing first .. then learn about beatmatching and stuff .. then further down the line .. after u are confident with ur mixing and stuff.. then go on to producing... anywayz if u haven already have decks.. u can get either vinyl TT .. or CDjs.. TT will be cheaper.. but will be more expensive due to vinyl buying .. CDjs .. will be abit more expensive.. but its cheaper than vinyl..

No dude, he wants to produce, not DJ. You don't have to be able to dj to produce.

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Originally posted by adi26 I am a true n00b...so I have questions: How much did this setup cost you...I want to pursue Djing and making music as a hobby n stuff...so I want to know how to go about it... I have no idea

he said that too ....oh my bad .. i quoted the wrong post.. sorry ..

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Originally posted by jun139 he said that too ....oh my bad .. i quoted the wrong post.. sorry ..

Ah, you're right. Didn't see that one.

So yeah, you're right. Ambitious

you guys...


lol

Its a lot harder than I am thinking haan??

I guess producing music appeals to me...I have this habit of modifying the songs I am listening to in my head to what I would rather make it...lol, dunno if you see what I am trying to say or may be I'm a lil crazy...

But yea, I would love to make my own music - whats the way to go about it???

I would go for the CDj thing rather than the vinyl - easier to get CD's n stuff...plus CD's seem more state of the art.

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Originally posted by Greedy rearranged my setup a lil bit heh.

What are you using to lean your mixer?

Your CDJ's?

Thanks.

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Originally posted by adi26 Its a lot harder than I am thinking haan?? I guess producing music appeals to me...I have this habit of modifying the songs I am listening to in my head to what I would rather make it...lol, dunno if you see what I am trying to say or may be I'm a lil crazy... But yea, I would love to make my own music - whats the way to go about it??? I would go for the CDj thing rather than the vinyl - easier to get CD's n stuff...plus CD's seem more state of the art.

I think what the issue is here is that you don't understand what djing is, and what producing is. They are totally separate.

DJing is blending tracks and parts of tracks to make a cohesive mix. Producing is making the tracks that the DJs are using to mix.

DJing uses CDJs or turntables or whatever. Producing typically involves a computer, a keyboard/midi controller/synthesizer, sound-making modules of some sort(virtual or hardware), etc. YOu don't need CDJs or vinyl to produce.

With producing, you'd spend hours/days/months making a track, then release that 7 minute long or so track. DJing you're constantly playing tracks...so to make a 60 minute mix....it takes 60 minutes.

Note that many DJs end up producing as well, and many producers end up DJing...but they really share nothing in common, and I'd start with one.

So which one do you want to do?

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Originally posted by adi26 I am a true n00b...so I have questions: How much did this setup cost you...I want to pursue Djing and making music as a hobby n stuff...so I want to know how to go about it... I have no idea

i got a good deal:

XONE:62: $700
CDJ1000MK2: $1200 Pair
Road Ready Cases: $150 Pair

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Originally posted by Munchy What are you using to lean your mixer? Your CDJ's? Thanks.

a scmall nylon cd case

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Originally posted by IntegraR0064 I think what the issue is here is that you don't understand what djing is, and what producing is. They are totally separate. DJing is blending tracks and parts of tracks to make a cohesive mix. Producing is making the tracks that the DJs are using to mix. DJing uses CDJs or turntables or whatever. Producing typically involves a computer, a keyboard/midi controller/synthesizer, sound-making modules of some sort(virtual or hardware), etc. YOu don't need CDJs or vinyl to produce. With producing, you'd spend hours/days/months making a track, then release that 7 minute long or so track. DJing you're constantly playing tracks...so to make a 60 minute mix....it takes 60 minutes. Note that many DJs end up producing as well, and many producers end up DJing...but they really share nothing in common, and I'd start with one. So which one do you want to do?

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thanks for posting that saved about 10 reply's to get to the point lol.

+1... we should be posting more pics of setups here ... where are the pics!

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Originally posted by Greedy CDJ1000MK2: $1200 Pair

you got an AMAZING deal....

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Originally posted by simms327 you got an AMAZING deal....

hell yea i did! What happened was the sales manager had a gig one night and they didnt have CDJs so he took the liberty of opening two boxes and bringing them to his gig. So yea, the CDJs are only a month old and used once. Super steal.

the XONE:62 I got from a guy who just got a DUI so he needed cash right away.

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Originally posted by Greedy hell yea i did! What happened was the sales manager had a gig one night and they didnt have CDJs so he took the liberty of opening two boxes and bringing them to his gig. So yea, the CDJs are only a month old and used once. Super steal. the XONE:62 I got from a guy who just got a DUI so he needed cash right away.

I am extremely gelouse

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Originally posted by IntegraR0064 I think what the issue is here is that you don't understand what djing is, and what producing is. They are totally separate. DJing is blending tracks and parts of tracks to make a cohesive mix. Producing is making the tracks that the DJs are using to mix. DJing uses CDJs or turntables or whatever. Producing typically involves a computer, a keyboard/midi controller/synthesizer, sound-making modules of some sort(virtual or hardware), etc. YOu don't need CDJs or vinyl to produce. With producing, you'd spend hours/days/months making a track, then release that 7 minute long or so track. DJing you're constantly playing tracks...so to make a 60 minute mix....it takes 60 minutes. Note that many DJs end up producing as well, and many producers end up DJing...but they really share nothing in common, and I'd start with one. So which one do you want to do?

Thanks for that. Hmm, I am kinda fascinated by both but I don't know how to play synths n the rest of it so I guess I am better off by learning to mix. I think it makes more sense as well as you would get the feel of beats and everything more with it. Correct?

Anyways, so yes, I want to learn mixing as of now. So now I need a head start. I read a couple of threads on how to go about it but I still end up confused, can you give me an idea? But one thing I figured out from those threads: I personally prefer Cd's over vinyls. So how should I go about it?

I guess my present goal is to create a mix of my own. Another question, when people create mixes of old tracks, bootlegs and that kind of stuff, that falls under the production category or Djing?

And this Ableton - is it a producing tool or a mixing tool?

Thanks for the input again.

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when people create mixes of old tracks, bootlegs and that kind of stuff, that falls under the production category or Djing?

that would fall under djing.. coz ur not creating any new tracks..ur just mixing different tracks and bootlegs together. and i believe ableton to be more of a production tool.

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Originally posted by Demoted Get a cheap, but reliable n00b system, like the one I have. 2 Pioneer cdj 200's, and a Numark DXM 06 should fit the bill as a fine entry level cd-spinning dj. If you make a mix of anything, it's djing, not production. Production is SOLELY when a track is made via programs like Cubase, Reason, Acid, etc. Mixing is taking tracks already made and blending them together with seamless transitions so that no one can really tell that the tracks were separate to begin with. There is not any production involved* *save a little bit for Ableton Ableton is a sequencing/production program. It's original purpose is to allow multiple samples to be played simultaneously, and altered live to create a harmonic presentation. It can be used, however to take tracks from your computer and edit them within the program, altering basslines, and whatever. It can also beatmatch your tracks perfectly, allowing a dj to spend more time mixing tracks harmonically and editing live.

+10
couldn't say it better myself.

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Originally posted by Demoted Oh, and here's mah setup, since the pics have dwindled. Sorry for the craptacular phone pic 2x Pioneer CDJ 200's 1x Numark DXM 06 1x Stanton Pro DJ 3000s (not pictured) Alesis Monitor 1 MKIIs

Nice dude, how long have you had them?

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Originally posted by Demoted Oh, and here's mah setup, since the pics have dwindled. Sorry for the craptacular phone pic 2x Pioneer CDJ 200's 1x Numark DXM 06 1x Stanton Pro DJ 3000s (not pictured) Alesis Monitor 1 MKIIs

Cool. Thanks a lot again. How much did this setup cost you? I will do some research on these tools so that I know what they can exactly do,

Thank you guys man...

Btw: I am pretty sure I'll have more questions, so just let me know when they start getting annoying .

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Originally posted by adi26 Thanks for that. Hmm, I am kinda fascinated by both but I don't know how to play synths n the rest of it so I guess I am better off by learning to mix. I think it makes more sense as well as you would get the feel of beats and everything more with it. Correct?

That makes the most sense to me, since that's how I did it. By playing a lot of other people's tracks, you get a good idea of the kind of track you like too.

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Anyways, so yes, I want to learn mixing as of now. So now I need a head start. I read a couple of threads on how to go about it but I still end up confused, can you give me an idea? But one thing I figured out from those threads: I personally prefer Cd's over vinyls. So how should I go about it?

Ideally a friend of yours would have some CD players you could mess around on. If this is not the case, I'd just buy two cheap CD players, a cheap mixer, and some closed ear headphones (and obviously speakers if you don't have any). Ebay is always great for this. You don't need great equipment, just something to get a feel for djing on.

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I guess my present goal is to create a mix of my own. Another question, when people create mixes of old tracks, bootlegs and that kind of stuff, that falls under the production category or Djing?

Depends on what you mean by mix. When djing, you can beatmatch a track with another track and mix it over top. Typically though, it's done with software and a production type setting, since that's the way to get the best results. But, obviously as a DJ lots of these produced bootlegs are available from producers so you can play them.

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And this Ableton - is it a producing tool or a mixing tool?

Both. Mostly a producing tool. However, many djs use it to blur the lines a little bit between DJing and producing by using it in real time. It sounds like you'd like it, but I would learn to mix the normal way before messing around with it too much.

Hope that helps.

haha, that's what I get for being at work and writing that post a little bit at a time while constantly being interrupted. It's good that our posts agree though, otherwise we'd really confuse him

Firstly, IntegraR0064, Demoted and june139 - Thank you all.

I think I am going to with the stuff you guys suggested. I looked up on ebay for these products and here are the costs I am getting:

1x Stanton Pro DJ 3000s - $100.
1x Numark DXM 06 - $115 ... This is used but in good condition according to the seller.
2x Pioneer CDJ 200's ~ $300 x2 = $600

Are these prices good. I am getting all of these from ebay. The pioneers are killing me, lol and you need 2 of them - holyshit..

I have pretty sweet Logitech speakers with my computer so I dun need the Alesis Monitor 1 MKII you guys were talking about.

Btw, whats the diff. between monitors and speakers??

So what do you guys feel about this?


This should be an interesting investment...

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Originally posted by Demoted Monitors are more meant for at-home mixing, they usually provide cleaner sound and are smaller than regular speakers. It allows you to, basically, monitor what you're doing, be it a production, or mixing. Speakers are there more for the crowd so that they can listen to it. Monitors usually face the dj, so you can tell them apart by that in the club.

Oh okie, so I guess my speakers will be fine. As far as I am concerned my current speakers = monitors.

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Originally posted by adi26 1x Stanton Pro DJ 3000s - $100.

i'd suggest the Sony MDR-V6 or MDR-7506 headphones (one or the other, they are the same). So many people here use them its not funny (myself included), they all recommend them for they are a great headphone, and I think you can get them cheaper than $100.

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