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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Actually, I'm name calling because it's funny as hell and makes this day go by faster. As for maturity level, I'm tired of being mature, all my damn family responsibilities makes me feel so old. I was up last night at 3am giving my son cough medicine cause he is sick. Poor kid. Acting immature on a stupid web-board with a bunch of anti-american idiots is a nice stress relief and makes me feel better. So fuck you Cyrus peon.

At least I respect you for admitting how pathetic you are!

Children, children, children ... please cease and desist. This is not the forum for flaming.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Whatever I deleted all of this because Cyrus King and Ahmalek are dicks.

LMAO!!!!

>JM<

you kids need to read the independent news more often......then come back to the forum, alrighty?

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Whatever I deleted all of this because Cyrus King and Ahmalek are dicks.

well anyone who puts che as an avatar is def. a dick

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Whatever I deleted all of this because Cyrus King and Ahmalek are dicks.

what the fuck did I do?!?! moron.

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out Fuzzygreen, but if you voted for Bush in Cali your vote probably wouldn't count because that state tends to go democratic/green. Likewise, since I live in Texsucks, my vote against Bush will not count either (even though most people in my city vote against him).

Fucking electoral college.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Fucking electoral college.

- I know right?!?! what kind of democratic system is that?!?! I think that this is one of the things that SHOULD be changed.. popular vote is what counts, we are in modern times, not in the old where people weren't allow to vote because of not been EDUCATED enough.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz I don't know if anyone has pointed this out Fuzzygreen, but if you voted for Bush in Cali your vote probably wouldn't count because that state tends to go democratic/green. Likewise, since I live in Texsucks, my vote against Bush will not count either (even though most people in my city vote against him). Fucking electoral college.

g00dness glad I wasn't alone because I voted against him too!!! But you know all these assholes in Texas....

Pro-America doesn't mean being a conservative fascist.

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Originally posted by D'Paul Pro-America doesn't mean being a conservative fascist.

Yes it does apparentely ... I'm just biding my time until I'm labelled a neoconservative hawk.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Fucking electoral college.

Here's the reason for its existence according to Alexander Hamilton:

It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief.


Essentially the founding fathers were afraid of a direct link between the public and the selection of the President. The fear comes from the belief that a tyrant could manipulate public opinion. The electoral college would essentially act as a check on an electorate that might be duped.

Whether you agree with it or not is up to you ... kind of a throwback to old days if you ask me ... but then again I think of McCarthyisms of the 50s, anti-civil rights movements in the 60's, and what could happen if another 9/11 type attack occurs today. Essentially if the population is scared enough they'll vote anybody into office who appeals directly to their concerns. I do agree with the founding fathers that most people are inherentely stupid and easily duped though

Additionally, some people forget that we are a United STATES of America. The electoral college was part of a compromise to smaller states such that they have the same number of electoral votes as they have representatives in congress. If this wasn't agreed upon perhaps we would not be so united today. At any rate if you're hoping to remove the electoral college I wouldn't hold your breath. A constitutional amendment would need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states for that to happen and it's unlikely that the smaller states would agree.

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Originally posted by occrider Here's the reason for its existence according to Alexander Hamilton: It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief. It sounds like he's basically saying he doesn't want stupid people to vote..... Whether you agree with it or not is up to you ... kind of a throwback to old days if you ask me ... but then again I think of McCarthyisms of the 50s, anti-civil rights movements in the 60's, and what could happen if another 9/11 type attack occurs today. Essentially if the population is scared enough they'll vote anybody into office who appeals directly to their concerns. I do agree with the founding fathers that most people are inherentely stupid and easily duped though Additionally, some people forget that we are a United STATES of America. The electoral college was part of a compromise to smaller states such that they have the same number of electoral votes as they have representatives in congress. If this wasn't agreed upon perhaps we would not be so united today. I disagree. THe votes from smaller states/population centers would still be part of the total of all who voted, and would better represent all living in those states/population centers. At any rate if you're hoping to remove the electoral college I wouldn't hold your breath. A constitutional amendment would need to be ratified by 3/4 of the states for that to happen and it's unlikely that the smaller states would agree. Yes I know. It would have taken a Democrat to win in the electoral college for it to have been changed (after the last election at least). If I recal correctly wasn't Kennedy elected in the electoral college over Nixon? Correct me if I'm wrong about that.

How do you feel living in DC, and your vote not counting if you voted for Bush in the last election???

p.s. 10,000 post in the political forum. W00T!!!!

Well I agree that smaller states are unfairly getting more representation, I'm just saying that as a concession to get the smaller states to join the Union it was worked out that way.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz How do you feel living in DC, and your vote not counting if you voted for Bush in the last election??? p.s. 10,000 post in the political forum. W00T!!!!

That's why the liscence plates say "taxation without representation". But that's an issue of DC being a district rather than a state ...

At any rate if I voted for Bush (and I didn't) then it would have counted ... towards the state electoral votes.

Where in DC are you at? And who did you vote for in 2000?

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Originally posted by D'Paul Where in DC are you at? And who did you vote for in 2000?

Georgetown ... Gore

Rofl.

Not that it matters man, but I pegged you as a Pat Buchanan (sp?) supporter.

- I think that when it comes to elections, it's not about the small states or larger states representing, it's about what the PEOPLE want, and who they want. After all, this is a country in which, supposedly, it's popular sovereignty. When Gore won Bush by a margin of some millions or so, it's quite obvious who the majority want, but, the electoral college system made the US seem so bad compared to the system of all the democratic countries in the world.

I think that the representations of states is a matter for a House/senate purpose, but it should not be done for presidential elections purpose.

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Originally posted by LiquidX - I think that when it comes to elections, it's not about the small states or larger states representing, it's about what the PEOPLE want, and who they want. After all, this is a country in which, supposedly, it's popular sovereignty. When Gore won Bush by a margin of some millions or so, it's quite obvious who the majority want, but, the electoral college system made the US seem so bad compared to the system of all the democratic countries in the world. I think that the representations of states is a matter for a House/senate purpose, but it should not be done for presidential elections purpose.

I agree, unfortunately it's never going to get fixed without a revolutoin because small states are even more over-represented in the amendment process.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Rofl. Not that it matters man, but I pegged you as a Pat Buchanan (sp?) supporter.

Buchanan is a nut

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Originally posted by LiquidX - I think that when it comes to elections, it's not about the small states or larger states representing, it's about what the PEOPLE want, and who they want. After all, this is a country in which, supposedly, it's popular sovereignty. When Gore won Bush by a margin of some millions or so, it's quite obvious who the majority want, but, the electoral college system made the US seem so bad compared to the system of all the democratic countries in the world. I think that the representations of states is a matter for a House/senate purpose, but it should not be done for presidential elections purpose.

That's how I see it as well.

I'm sure there are even people like Hilary Clinton in Wyoming, although I'm sure you can count them all on one hand. Their vote should count just as much as the seperatist gun-nut they live next to.
BTW, Hillary is TOO leftish for me sometimes; "To the point of Flakeiness," as John SMith would say.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Whatever I deleted all of this because Cyrus King and Ahmalek are dicks.

have you ever seen a non pro american american?
i havent

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Originally posted by mndeg have you ever seen a non pro american american? i havent

Oh they're out there alright ... although usually they say something stupid about how the DEA is oppressive, is ruining their lives, and how they can't wait to move to holland where pot is legalized (as it should be). Keep browsing this forum

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Originally posted by occrider Oh they're out there alright ... although usually they say something stupid about how the DEA is oppressive, is ruining their lives, and how they can't wait to move to holland where pot is legalized (as it should be). Keep browsing this forum

LOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOL!

Good one.

Yes, most people that live here come to love this country despite it's faults in the personal freedoms department. You know I think sometimes, "I wish I could live in such and such country..." But then I think of how I would miss my family etc, and I don't think I could become an expatriot.


If you think something sux, then you should try to fix it by at the very least voting and learning the issues. Nevada was a hair's breadth away from decriminalising (I think it was 3ounces) of pot for over 21s the other month......It didn't pass by a slim margin, and the people got to vote on it. The law enforcement in the state all supported it because they could focus more on real criminals. The thing is by the time you are that age, you've outgrown your experimental years I think. Though I have a friend who is 21 (almost 22), and still smokes it. The reason that Michigan doesn't have the same drinking age as Canada is because the people voted on it, and there were not enough young people who voted I guess. When you're old you probably think, "Those young whipper snappers shouldn't be drinking." It doesn't stop many in my observation. I dunno. I think the only thing that should be 21 is handguns, but that's just me. I'd vote for 19 as the legal age (even though I'm 18 for another few weeks lol).

Dave

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