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The US could have prevented it. We sent Marines in to guard the Iraqi Oil Ministy building.
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| Originally posted by surferfb The US could have prevented it. We sent Marines in to guard the Iraqi Oil Ministy building. |
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| Witnesses reported that US troops had fired into a crowd which was becoming increasingly hostile towards the new governor in the northern oil city, Mashaan al-Juburi, as he was making a pro-US speech. "There are perhaps 100 wounded and 10 to 12 dead," Dr Ayad al-Ramadhani said at the city hospital. |
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| In the town of Nasiriya, just three kilometres (two miles) from the entrance to the base, there has been a huge demonstration. About 2,000 local Shia Muslims took to the streets, extremely angry, saying their voices would not be heard in the meeting. Their representatives were not there and they believe they will not get a fair deal from this process. |
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| Looters and arsonists ransacked and gutted Iraq's National Library, leaving a smoldering shell Tuesday of precious books turned to ash and a nation's intellectual legacy gone up in smoke. They also looted and burned Iraq's principal Islamic library nearby, home to priceless old Qurans; last week, thieves swept through the National Museum and stole or smashed treasures that chronicled this region's role as the "cradle of civilization." "Our national heritage is lost," an angry high school teacher, Haithem Aziz, said as he stood outside the National Library's blackened hulk. "The modern Mongols, the new Mongols did that. The Americans did that. Their agents did that," he said as an explosion boomed in the distance as the war winds down. |
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| Anti-American protests intensified in the Iraqi capital and in southern Iraq Tuesday, April 15, as U.S. occupation forces struggled secure the country after toppling the regime of Saddam Hussein. Exasperated U.S. military officials tried to hamper the media from covering new demonstrations in Baghdad while some 20,000 people in the Shiite Muslim bastion of Nasiriyah railed against a U.S.-staged meeting on Iraq's future, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP). [...] For the first time, visibly angered U.S. military officials sought to distance the media from the protest, moving reporters and cameras about 30 meters (yards) from the barbed-wired entrance to the hotel. "We want you to pull back to the back of the hotel because they (the Iraqis) are only performing because the media are here," said a marine colonel who wore the name Zarcone but would not give his first name or title. The crowd later moved to the nearby square where the statue of Saddam was toppled Wednesday to signal the end of the regime. As three of the marines' armored amphibious vehicles passed by, they chanted: "No, no, USA." Meanwhile, demonstrators marched to the center of the predominantly Shiite southern city of Nasiriyah, chanting "Yes to freedom ... Yes to Islam ... No to America, No to Saddam." They were protesting a meeting of Iraqi opposition groups convened at a nearby military base in an initial attempt by the United States to plot out a political future for the post-Saddam Iraq. "We want the American and British forces to go. They have freed us from Saddam and their job is finished," said Ihsan Mohammad, an official with the regional federation of engineers. "If they intend to occupy us, we will oppose that. We ask them to leave us free to decide our future and not to impose people on us." Although U.S. officials have all but declared their military campaign over, tensions with the civilian population persist over a lack of police protection, water, electricity and other basic services. Hundreds of international reporters here have also become increasingly frustrated with the lack of information on the reconstruction effort and the U.S. failure to provide other than haphazard access to public affairs officers. |
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| Yet a week after the US occupation of Baghdad began, if you count from the contrived symbolism of the destruction of one of the many statues of Saddam Hussein in the city - the one which happens to be closest to the Palestine Hotel - there is a bitterness and tension between citizens and occupiers. It is not just that Baghdad has been ravaged by looting, which local people feel US forces did little or nothing to prevent. There is a growing feeling that the occupiers are obsessed with protecting themselves, to the exclusion of taking risks in protecting civilians. Most troublingly, there is a sense that US efforts to restore essential services are more about self-boosting short-term fixes, and not about helping skilled Iraqis put the city back on its feet. It is a strange irony of the last week that the military triumph of the world's only superpower in seizing Baghdad would have degenerated into a far worse nightmare of disease and death without the efforts of the International Committee of the Red Cross before the war. [...] "The Americans cannot come in with their own ideas about just fixing a pipe and a generator and then saying: 'We've fixed the water and the power in Baghdad,'" Mr Jansen said. "It's getting the staff back, organising transport, paying salaries. They don't need generators and pipes. They need security and office space. "What the Americans want to offer now is general logistical services. But when it comes to commitment and organisation, they're saying, 'We are not the administration, we are the military.'" [...] While the meetings have continued, so has the looting. The water and sewage authorities of Baghdad used to have 1,300 vehicles. Now they have all been stolen. [...] Upstairs, among the TV lights, Jim Clancy of CNN International was preparing for his next live interview. How had the networks been reporting the first week of the US occupation of Baghdad? Not a priority, he said. "If you want to go with the No 1 story of the week, it's been the freeing of those seven US prisoners of war. They're covering the funerals of US service people." |
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| "They say they came here to liberate us. We have paid a heavy price for the removal of Saddam Hussein, so the Americans should go now." The growing anti-American sentiment is a result not only of the military campaign and the casualties that it caused, there is also acute resentment that the Americans have allowed a situation to develop in which there is looting and continued insecurity in the Iraqi capital. The US marines have secured a limited area, just a few blocks of buildings, in the centre of the city, but elsewhere there is great insecurity. |
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| As I have said before - and will continue to say - the war may be over, but the real battle is just beginning. |
not to mention the sorry state of animals in the baghdad zoo...many were simply stolen and will prolly get sold in the international market (maybe even eaten?)...but the lions and tigers are actually starving
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._nm/iraq_zoo_dc
just goes to prove that they have no interest in really rebuilding the country, they just want the oil
heres another link with info abt iraqis protesting the US presence
http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1260&mode=thread&order=0
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| just goes to prove that they have no interest in really rebuilding the country, they just want the oil |
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| Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 And the dominance of that part of the world. Seriously, no sane country in the world would ever attack another one in order to rebuild it and to make the lives of the people living there better. If such a country would exist, it would not last very long. |
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| Originally posted by occrider ahem ... the marshall plan? |
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| Originally posted by AnotherWay83 no country was actually attacked just so it could be rebuilt under the marshall plan |
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| Originally posted by occrider Germany was attacked to provide for a better life for people living in Germany ... which was pretty much all of western europe at that point. |
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| Originally posted by AnotherWay83 lol...no. it was attacked mainly because of its highly aggressive attitude and the threat it posed to the world in general. hitler's regime had the support of the majority of germans anyway... |
. Either which way you look at it though ... we didn't have to do the marshall plan.
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