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Originally posted by Squawks I've only used several Ortofon's, Numarks, and Stantons and would have to say that the M44-7's are the best, as they rarely skip and use quite little tracking force. At least for me. Haven't tried the Whitelabels yet but the M44-7's have been around for many many years. True dat.

your forgot the part about them eating/tearing up your records

For hip hop/rap/scratching applications they are king but at a price (record wear)



for me its Ortfon Concorde Blue's all the way baby

Ok now that we have determined that the white lables are the best how does everybody recommend setting the tone arm / counter wieght / cartridge wieght?

Own 4 different pair of needles. I just experiment with them


Shure M44-7s

Shure Whitelabels

Stanton Trackmaster II's

Ortofon NightClub with the S and E tip's.


Here is my laydown on them. The Shure M447s are killer if you are into hip hop and turntablist type mixing. The record wear is very minimal with these. (all depending on how much pressure is exerted on the styli tip)

The whitelabels do have a good sound. Good clean highs, good mids but the bass is almost too punchie when listening on studio monitors (the ones i have are the mackie HR824's and they have a flat responce) as for the record wear, shure claims it to be minimal.. but they are so new that I cannot tell for sure.

Trackmasters...... bought them, had them for a week and sold them. The highs werent crisp, the mids were good as was the bass. They just did not sound clean. enough said.

Ortofon Nightclub. These are the best carts i have ever owned. I only have to put on 2 grams of pressure on the tip and it sticks and never skips. The sound quality is superb, it has an extrememly high output. Meaning your gains do not have to be as high to get the sounds at a good level for recording. The highs are clean and crisp. The vocals sound are very clear and when "s's" are sang or said it doesnt sound like 'thhp' The whitelabels do compair with orto's but these still are my winners.



In all, if you are on a budget, go with the whitelabels. They are good for their price but the orto's are tried and tested. Look at what the majority of clubs use. Nightclubs. or other upper end ortos.


DJ Tranz... how often do you change the styli tip? That can make a huge diff. in sound quality.

Anyone have a picture of some white-labels in action? I mean, let's not forget how important looks are in your needle, heh

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[i][b] DJ Tranz... how often do you change the styli tip? That can make a huge diff. in sound quality.

When I had my Ortofon Pro DJ S Concordes, I replaced styli on both carts about 4.5 months after I got them, since gotten the Shure whitelabels, and it's been a while, I don't think I'll be changing them for a few years. And if I had to, styli are only about $26.00 each vs. ortofon replacement tips at average $45.00 each...


2 Blithe, sorry dude, I'm not at home right now,I'm in San Francisco, but when I get back to Los Angeles, I'll try to upload a few pics from my club nights with my gear and shure White Labels In Action.

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Originally posted by Blithe Anyone have a picture of some white-labels in action? I mean, let's not forget how important looks are in your needle, heh

Thanks for all the advice guys. The whitelabels are expensive though....

http://www.joyryderecords.com/recordscartridges.htm

I'd rather pay more for a needle that won't wear out my irreplaceable $20+ records, than a cheaper one though.

I think these will be my next needles. anyone wanna buy a pair of stanton trackmasters?

althought, maybe i will save them as my backups, and get GII-RM stylus on them instead.

Those concords kinda wear records alot, so you better go for the Shure needle. It's the best there is for the moment.

Best styli on the market right there

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Originally posted by Vlad Best styli on the market right there

How much are they. Have you used the white lables? If so, are they better

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Originally posted by johnbenjamin How much are they. Have you used the white lables? If so, are they better

Vlad beat me to it, hahaha. That cartridge is USD $325.00 and you need to have a good headshell like Technics M3D headshell. These are two notches above Shure White Labels, and being that these are made by Shure as well, and knowing they are two notches above white labels, These $325.00 carts are better than white labels. Do you really need them, NO, will you notice difference in sound, YES BUT only in a huge club atmosphere is if using elliptical tip in a recording studio.

Ya, your probably rite I dont need them. But I allways need to have the best out there so I'm getting them. Thanks

Ok i have had

Ortofon Night clubs - High Output Good clean sound...But the needle weres out quickly and is costly to replace

Ortofun Pro Scratch - Sounds just as good as nightclubs imo but has better bass response and higher output.. Not to mention these needles DO NOT SKIP

Shure White Label - IMO the best sounding of the 3. everything is realy crisp but what puts me off on these is the low output level. I can't say anything on record wear either cause i havent had them long enough....



Ps havent owned a stanton cart yet but have played on them and i still prefer the above 3. The pro scratch is my needle of choice.

ortofon scratch is what I play on all the time since I found them. totally a badass needle. I have them mounted on black concorde's, so it's black and red, looks as nice as they sound.

shure needles are badass too. they are the only needle besides ortofon's i'd pay for at the moment. I have a set of 44-7's, and 44-G's, and I love both!

Havn't tried the whitelabel yet... I've heard the stylii is very similiar to the 44-G's... which makes sense, as the 44-G's are an amazing little cartridge. They track so light, recommended .75 - 1.5g, and sound good doing it. I keep the 44G on my third deck, which I use mainly for playback... when im just sitting around listening to records and not mixing, i throw them on the ole 3rd deck so they dont get worn much... who needs a scratch cartridge to just glide the groove

I really dont notice much sound difference between the 44G and the ortofon scratch. The scratch does have a higher output, though... and sounds a little crisper on the highhats, but that's very hard to hear on the speakers... somewhat noticable in the phones, but its fairly minor.

Best tone-arm..
http://www.sumikoaudio.net/seriesV.htm

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Originally posted by amdmaxx Best tone-arm.. http://www.sumikoaudio.net/seriesV.htm

Alghough that thing looks sweet, I get the feeling that thing is more geared towards audiophiles, what kind of nutzo DJ would be willing to spend $7,000 to get a pair of TONEARMS? I'd bet that 99/100 people wouldn't be able to tell the sound difference between that thing and a standard DJ tonearm.

Heh, craziness, you could buy a used car for the price of 2 of those arms.

After reading many forum threads and reviews, and not really knowing any better, i decided to get the Shure's. Cheapest place i found them was here. Under $100 though, so not too bad i think.

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Originally posted by RJOllos After reading many forum threads and reviews, and not really knowing any better, i decided to get the Shure's. Cheapest place i found them was here. Under $100 though, so not too bad i think.

I picked up a pair for $83.78ea here: http://www.americanaudiocenter.com/shurwhit.html

Zzyzx

Damn i should have asked first ... would have saved me $15.

yea dude...
i got mine brand new for 160 bucks a pair (80 bucks each) on ebay...

I just bought a pair of Whitelabels after using the M44-7 (My first pair) and noticed that the M44-7s are much louder (particularly in bass) than the Whitelabels. The sound quality in the white labels is better, though, at the same relative volume. I'm no audiophile but this is what I noticed.

can you use the whitelabels on straight arms? it doesnt seem like it.. if you cant (or can, doesnt matter), what is the best setup (carts/needles/styli) or whatever for straight arm turntables?

I think these Whitelabels are gonna be my next carts

At the moment I've got Ortofon OM Pro Silvers, had them for over one and a half years and no complaints, but they're nothing special

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Originally posted by razzi can you use the whitelabels on straight arms? it doesnt seem like it.. if you cant (or can, doesnt matter), what is the best setup (carts/needles/styli) or whatever for straight arm turntables?

i think it would probably be a good idea to get whitelabels for str8 arms (they will work) because not only will you get good sound but you will be able to scratch with them on pretty light counterweight pressure and play at even lighter.

whitelabels!

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