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Originally posted by nic01445 well, the goal of this thread was NOT to insult those who are religious, but eh, wuddya gonna do? Just sayin. Not my intent. LOL we really should start that [TA] Atheist Alliance. Who's gonna make the sig?

I have to see this.

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Originally posted by nic01445 Q was a pimp

Was this the dude who owned the bar and had giant ears>? Yes he was a pimp. Since people lived to be a million years old in the future because lasers and glowy sticks fix everyone, what was his drinking age?

Ages: 400+ Id required



I saw a wedding show where these two trekkie people got married at the star trek bar in las vegas. It was so fucking funny; Not to mention sad.

i am an atheist as well. religion is just an excuse some people make up for things they can't explain... a waste of time, really

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Originally posted by Abject Silver wow, well, then in that case you might as well stop believing in science. you can't touch a quantum or a quark, man. and quantum physics sure as hell don't make sense. in any case, the stuff you mentioned above are faults of *people*. don't make the dumb-assed mistake that's made by so many out there - religion is man-made. *god*, whatever name you choose to call him, in whatever possibility of his existence, is not. don't confuse the two.

Your right.. i made the mistake of asuming too much... its funny how history never repeats itself.. only human folly does...

First to say, I'm an atheist with a streak of agnosticism.

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im an atheist (along with half of australia).. religions are for people with weak minds that cant accept that we are completely useless and whose lives have no value what so ever in the scheme of things. a very sad amd depressing concept for most (even for atheists) but enlightening for a lucky few (not saying im one).

Heh, I'd be one of those people who find the concept of us being useless in the grand scheme of things, or the complete lack of such a scheme, enlightening. On one side, it means we are completely on our own without anyone to turn to, but on the other side, it's what makes us free instead of being puppets of some supreme being. It also makes all of our civilizational achievements that more valuable, because we made them on our own without anyone to help us. We are free to design our own scheme of things which suits us, or in other words, we can be our own gods.

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The only way you can be certain something does not exist is if it has contradictory properties, such as a square circle. So, unless you can show what contradictory properties all gods and goddesses have, atheism is as irrational a position as traditional theism.

A being capable of everything is contradictory. To use a simple exampe, it can't make a rock it can't lift.

here we have an intelligent discussion of religion and star trek. how those two are connected, i have no clue, but please, carry on

I don't believe God exists. God was never anything more than an icon to the people that want to believe that an icon has power.
Those who believe in the power of God are manipulated by the image that is a symbol for God. [Those that are not believe that the system is weightless, that we are free-willed and noncomformist].
God is just a label. God is a product of media. People who believe in God need to believe that something gives them security, comfort, whatever.... so they rely on that mainstream logo.

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you need to read posts more carefully. first of all, are you saying that just because *i* don't understand atheism?

When did i point the finger at you?

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Untrue. Just because don't understand atheism, and give it a pseudo-definition doesn't mean that their definition is right. Atheist - One who does not believe in any god or gods. Whether this is what the mass accepts or not, it is still true.

I'm missing "one" after "because", and "don't" should be "doesn't". I really should start proofing these before I post. I'm turning into Michiline. :\

Sorry about the mix-up.

it's simple really, people initally came up with the idea of god(s) to explain the unexplainable... then it kept being taken further and people came up with religions, and look where that has led the world...

:/

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Originally posted by whiskers here we have an intelligent discussion of religion and star trek. how those two are connected, i have no clue, but please, carry on

both were invented by humans and both have nothing to do with the physical world we live in.

in my perception, the bible is but a poorly written pseudo-science-fiction book.

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Originally posted by brunette I don't believe God exists. God was never anything more than an icon to the people that want to believe that an icon has power. Those who believe in the power of God are manipulated by the image that is a symbol for God. [Those that are not believe that the system is weightless, that we are free-willed and noncomformist]. God is just a label. God is a product of media. People who believe in God need to believe that something gives them security, comfort, whatever.... so they rely on that mainstream logo.

you are talking as if thats a fact and not an opinion...and if indeed those are facts then please do give proof..but dont come here talking this and that without any proofs..if it is just an opinion then u r entitled to it..if you dont believe in god because u cant see him or touch him...well when was the last time u saw the atom or when was the last time u saw love..i think people dont believe in religion because they dont like to live under the laws of religion or would rather not feel bad for doing a sin...Atheisim is the easy way out..but thats just my opinion

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 A being capable of everything is contradictory. To use a simple exampe, it can't make a rock it can't lift.

Oh, I quite agree. However, there are some religions (mostly dead) which do not claim their God or Gods are capable of everything.

i am religious and don't consider myself conservative or anything else. some people do believe in god just to justify their idiocy and ignorance, but i'm not one of them.

however, i truly despise the way the religion is commercionalized in america (and the name of it is baptism).

even if you are an atheist, you could at least have some respect for the centuries of traditions and values the humanity has accumulated with religion, and i'm not talking about inquisition here.

i don't consider myself to be an atheist - i believe in the christian god and for me believing in something means, that you have to believe in something you cannot see or touch - you have to feel it! this sounds strange in a way, but i can feel god, i can feel that i'm not alone in this world and that my existence isn't senceless. i can feel that he is "out there" and he helps and guides me. i have made some experiences i cannot declare as coincidence, any longer.

you cannot experience god when you dont consider it possible that there might be a god..

ok, i cant proof the existence of god in a physically way - but can you proof that there is NO god?? think about it..

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Originally posted by tranceaholic Atheisim is the easy way out..but thats just my opinion

This is where I have to interject...IMHO the exact opposite is true...think about it for a minute:

Standard Western Religion states:

Follow these rules and live your life in such and such a way and you'll live forever in a paradise beyond imagining.

Hence, life might be difficult, and following the rules at times might be trying, but you always are confident that you'll have an eternity of payoff in trade for what, maybe 100 years at most of obedience.


Athiesm means:

Nothing has any inherent value because life is relative, and death is inevitable. If nothing comes after death you can take the view that life is infinitely valuable, or infinitely value-less (because of the non-existence factor)

Athiesm can easily lead to nihilism, and a complete questioning of this entire existence. You have nothing to 'fall back on', and you have to make up your own reasons for living and enjoying life.


I don't know about you, but this seems a lot more difficult to deal with than the prospects of eternal life in trade for a little obedience in the here and now...

Has anyone argued from the cosmological angle?


I find that Atheists are puffed up with hubris, and are unwilling to accept that there is anything that Man cannot or will not do.

Theists are willing to accept that we cannot do everything.

I agree more with the second worldview.

I think I'm more of an Agnostic than an Atheist

Here is one of my major problem with Christianity:

Because God is omnicient, he created people that he knows will not believe in God. These people then go to hell because God created them the way that he did and then they are punished for eternity. I have trouble believing in something that would create people to just be punished.

The counter argument would be the whole free will thing. But if God created you without know what you would do, then he isn't omnicient.



My reasons for not believing in god is because of what he would stand for, not because i don't believe he doesn't exist. I cannot see believing in something like that. No that does not mean i am a satanist either.

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Originally posted by beema I think I'm more of an Agnostic than an Atheist

*scratches head*

whats the difference? (i really don't know)

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Originally posted by trancEyes22 *scratches head* whats the difference? (i really don't know)

read from the beginning, then you will know

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Originally posted by nic01445 When did i point the finger at you? I'm missing "one" after "because", and "don't" should be "doesn't". I really should start proofing these before I post. I'm turning into Michiline. :\ Sorry about the mix-up.

lol micheline

God is only a theory concieved in order to explain the beauty and mystery of nature, in the same way that evolution and the big bang are also theories. Some have a problem accepting that fact. HAHA. Try telling that to my grandparents or President Bush lol.

I learned a long time ago to stay out of religious arguments. Both sides can argue til they're blue in the face and neither side will concede to the other.

im atheist

now lets burn down some churches.

or maybe not.


i am actually an atheist though...

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Originally posted by nic01445 When did i point the finger at you? I'm missing "one" after "because", and "don't" should be "doesn't". I really should start proofing these before I post. I'm turning into Michiline. :\ Sorry about the mix-up.

haha, no need to apologize. i was wondering whether it was 'one' or 'you' that was supposed to be in there. no worries, still friends.

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