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-- Paul Oakenfold@SYSTEM (08.15.03)
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Breathe a couple of years ago were the shizzle...

I cant count how many DJS made their local TO DEBUTS at that place...all before they were the superstar djs that they are today...!

Ashley Casselle, Steve Lawler, Anthony Pappa, Hybrid, Tom Stephan, Paolo Mojo, Lee Burridge, Cass, Mauro Picotto and countless others...!

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Originally posted by Special K I'd agree with that statement (moreso a couple of years ago than now) but where do Oakie and Judge Jules fit into that equation?! What trends are they setting by bringing in people like Oakie and Jules?!

I think they're entitled to bring in classic DJ's for the occasional night as a breather in their "trend setting", just like the DJ's themselves are entitled to drop the occasional classic track, no?

When a club is constantly bringing in DJ's that haven't been popular since '99 then it's a problem but that's not the case here.

Enough prog and/or trance bashing! Clearly we have both scenes here and that should make everyone happy.

Well. The bottom line in clubland is always money. I don't think that System booking more trance is indicitive of a growing popularity in trance, as much as it is indicitive of how Guv has the prog market more or less cornered at the moment. That said, I think trance is gaining popularity, but moreso in an entry-level sort of capacity. Alas, I digress...

Bah...

Oakie is smooth mixer, that's for sure... but his song selection doesn't do it for me at all. And that's about it...

He can be the most talented DJ out there, but if I don't like his tunes, what's the point...?

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Originally posted by fantom True... just check out the progressive talent they started bringing out every Saturday @ System...

it's usually classic house saturdays @ system, progressive is on fridays...

and to add, oakie is wicked, always has been and will be... only it became cool to hate him in 2001 and almost everyone jumped on the bandwagon... oakie is great, period

I don't hate the guy... I just hate his song selection lately, that's all.

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Originally posted by TranceGeek it's usually classic house saturdays @ system, progressive is on fridays...

And I don't know what progressive you're talking about (trance maybe), but the Saturday nights for the last two months have been booked by the progressive/deep/tribal house DJs... Sure, they have a few classic house nights every month or so, but it's mostly good pumping progressive house music on Saturdays.

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Originally posted by partyprincess ppl just want to hate on the best dj out there...

so i guess then people should be hating danny howells, or lee burridge, or sander k? they are at the top of their game right now...

people hate oakenfold because all that success went to his head. he doesnt give a shit about you or me, he is after the dollars right now.

as an aside, i am not putting down the people who like oakenfold. people can listen to whatever/whomever they want. i am just stating MY opinion.

steve.

sorry guys I have to agree with fantom on this one and say that although Oakenfold is a worldclass DJ, I don't like his set selection. He could be the greatest mixer and DJ in the world but if I don't like the music, then why bother going. I refuse to believe that I hopped on the so called "I hate Oakenfold" bandwagon. I believe that there are better DJ's in the world.

Take Judge Jules for instance....probably the exact opposite of Oakenfold in terms of quality of mixing and overall DJing but he plays classic tracks and can really really work the crowd....but then that is just my humble opinion.

I'm with Sohaness on this one.....

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Originally posted by Special K I'd agree with that statement (moreso a couple of years ago than now) but where do Oakie and Judge Jules fit into that equation?! What trends are they setting by bringing in people like Oakie and Jules?!

Well, no one else is booking them in Toronto. So instead of going after what everyone else is booking, why not book something different?

itikia

..it's so hard to care about what's going on here this summer...

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Originally posted by TranceGeek it's usually classic house saturdays @ system, progressive is on fridays... and to add, oakie is wicked, always has been and will be... only it became cool to hate him in 2001 and almost everyone jumped on the bandwagon... oakie is great, period

I loved Oakenfold in 2001 - I think I started to dislike him around the time one of my friends told me how much she loved Oakenfold and how her favourite track was Starry Eyed Surprise... Plus I think Bunkka did it for a lot of people, in 2002.

I think a lot of us don't feel like he is in touch with his fans, that's all. That's saying nothing about his mixing skill (which is incredibly high, I'll admit). Obviously, if he isn't in touch with the fans then his track selection won't be great. That's why I'm not that interested. I don't think it's "cool" to hate him for no reason, in fact I encourage anyone who likes his tracks to go to this. I won't be in attendance, though.

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Originally posted by brunette ..it's so hard to care about what's going on here this summer...

Thanks for rubbing it in.

progressive djs such as sander k, burridge and howells are considered underground djs and even though they're big in that scene, they do not get as much commercial exposure as do jules and oakie... and it is exactly that scene that brings about all the flamers and haters... and jules is this big only because he's got so many huge commercial labels behind him pushing their releases... otherwise there is no way he would have made it this far... jules has nothing on oakie, absolutely nothing...

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Originally posted by DigiNut I loved Oakenfold in 2001 - I think I started to dislike him around the time one of my friends told me how much she loved Oakenfold and how her favourite track was Starry Eyed Surprise... Plus I think Bunkka did it for a lot of people, in 2002. I think a lot of us don't feel like he is in touch with his fans, that's all. That's saying nothing about his mixing skill (which is incredibly high, I'll admit). Obviously, if he isn't in touch with the fans then his track selection won't be great. That's why I'm not that interested. I don't think it's "cool" to hate him for no reason, in fact I encourage anyone who likes his tracks to go to this. I won't be in attendance, though.

although i hated bunkka too, i'm glad he made that bold step forward in reuninting the hip hop scene with the now evolved "rave" scene... if you look at the roots of electronic music, you'll see how in the 80s hip hop and electronica were sooo closely linked and all rave parties included both hip hop artists and electronica... its the gangsta rap of the early-mid 90s that has separated the two and pushed electronica deeper undeground and commercialized hip hop...

the two belong together, and theres nothing i'd wanna see more than electronica commercialized... i'd rather see house/trance producers rewarded for their work than lets say britney and aguilera... and i dunno about you, but i'm sick of seeing/hearing pop stars on tv/radio and would love to be able to turn on the tv/radio and see/hear some house/trance sets and see videos of parties and so on... but thats a whole other topic that has already been beaten to death... heh

People are hating on Oakenfold because of his recent commercial success. The same people who hate him, are the same people posting over and over about how they heard a PVD track (or whatever) on Z103. Commercial popularity or success shouldnt determine whether or not you like a dj, its the music they play, and the level in which they mix it. Im not a big Oakie fan to start with, but would agree with others that his stuff in '99,'00,'01 was a lot better than the stuff ive heard recently.

Oakie hasn't done much for me lately, but I still think he'll throw a great party...

HOLY F&CK

FINALLY.
this is good to hear. Rumour had it that he was playing guv that weekend.

As long as hes here

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Originally posted by dEsidEL if there's one thing i know consistently about this guy .. it's that there's always bashing and controversy surrounding him whenever he's announced to be playing here .. it's almost like ppl either love him or hate him .. despite all he has done, and has not done for trance ..

I have to add that I am surprised how many people disliked Oakeys set last year at guv. I was sober for the most part and thought it was amazing.

I find myself defending his style more and more over the years. Oakenfold is not a dj you listen to once and love. His style has to grow on you. This dj mixes shit other djs wouldnt even dare to touch. He can take many different style tracks and bring them all together as one amazing beat along with his trade mark flat heavy bass line.

I cant fkn wait.



Oakey, Oakey.........

OMG oakie!!!!!!!!
finally he comes, and he's the greatest, no one even comes close...

gonna be hell of a party

any my turn to say what i think after waiting to hear both sides.
My turn to say what i think: it seems to me like a DJ/producer is only good when they're underground but once they become commercial, it's all over for them. It's like as if they crossed to the other side!

someone brought up the fact that PVD was on z103 the other day even though that's a first.
U guys have to realize those DJs need to connect to the commercial world so they can see what ppl like and don't like. It can also help ur name as a DJ if ur productions are selling well in the commercial world. For example lets take my fav example of them all: Scot Project.
His rmxs and productions sell but he's not the best when it comes to DJing yet he gets booked.
Commercial or not, it shouldn't change the way u feel about a certain person cuz they're doing it not only to help themselves but to help the scene.

On the other hand, sometimes djs/producers become complete sellouts once they start releasing stuff in the commercial world... i doubt this has been the case with Oakie

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Originally posted by partyprincess ppl just want to hate on the best dj out there...but truth be told, there hasn't been anyone who can even compare to him technically. not tiesto, not armin, not cox...not anyone.

I don't mean to unleash with any flaming here, but please know what you're talking about before you talk about it. Oakenfold has been a pillar in the industry, there's no doubt about that. But his mixing, well there are hundreds, maybe thousands, who can do better than he.
And to imply that Carl Cox can't hold a torch to Oakey technically is absolute ignorance. Horseshit in fact. Carl Cox mixes seamlessly and regularly on three, even four, yes four, decks. Oakey can only manage to work the crossfader between two decks (ie. shamefully short mixes). I won't go into more details, and save the poor guy some pride.

True, true... Oakie can't even come close to Carl Cox in mixing. Plus Cox can create a sick vibe in any party, regardless of people, place, etc.

Well, I'd be curious to know which Trance DJs often work on 3 or 4 decks. When you find one, let me know.

Having said that, I can't argue who's a better DJ technically Cox or Oakey, because I simply don't know.

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