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Why the hell would you go to see a dj based on his technical beat matching skills??

what about the songs he plays?

christ..

He may not be the best technical mixer and i have yet to hear the new cd..

But when it comes to flow and reading the crowd and giving such a energetic vibe NO ONE touches tiesto, his selections are flawless and proves it time and time again

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Originally posted by dartrance But when it comes to flow and reading the crowd and giving such a energetic vibe NO ONE touches tiesto, his selections are flawless and proves it time and time again

AMEN

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Originally posted by dartrance Why the hell would you go to see a dj based on his technical beat matching skills?? what about the songs he plays? christ.. He may not be the best technical mixer and i have yet to hear the new cd.. But when it comes to flow and reading the crowd and giving such a energetic vibe NO ONE touches tiesto, his selections are flawless and proves it time and time again

Why the hell would you go to see a DJ just for the songe he plays? I can do that at home can't I?

I don't see how a DJ can have flow without mixing well. I mean the whole point of mixing is to have songs flow into eachother. When he was here last he killed energy with his mixing. He'd throw in a crowd pleaser and do a horrendous mix out of it. Just a huge bass drop. He wasn't reading the crowd either. He was talking to people in the DJ booth.

I don't see these DJs exclusively for the mixing. I enjoy a well layed out set that builds energy, but when the mixing's as bad as it was the last time I saw him, well, no amount of great track selection can rescue the set.

Regardless of Tiesto's beatmatching abilities or his track selection, I enjoy Tiesto's track placing, diverse mixing and flow (even if it's harsh sometimes) more than the skills of any other DJ out there. Call me stupid, call me crazy, but this is just my taste and there's nothing you can do about it . I have my reasons, and they are pretty concrete. No other jockey can energize and move me as much.

And man, let me tell you something. Last week I went to Qontact in Amsterdam and saw PVD, Ferry, Armin, Marco V, Scott Bond, Judge Jules, and Gielen. They were all awesome and technically had their beats down (well, most of them). However, for the exception of PVD, I really believe that none of them were able to take the music to another level because they all were too predictable and spun a lot of fluff, ultimately boring. I've never been bored at a Tiesto set ever, he might have his flaws, but he never loses that special touch of "magik" that make his sets so memorable. You say there was no energy at the Roxy in October, yet some girl next to me had an orgasm in the climax of the set. So yeah, the mix from 643 was kind of awkward, but the string of continuity (flow) was never broken till the end with Gatex.

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How about this... If I can find all of the tracks on MP3, I'll mix them in the order that they should have been in the first place, all with flawless mixing and end up producing a quality CD set. Then I'll post it here.

You're missing the point there man. There's no such thing as a "right" order. The dj is the artist, let him mix the tracks in whatever order he feels like it. None of the tracks are randomly placed, they all of the transitions have a Tiesto rationale behind them. You might not like them, but that doesn't make them wrong as there is no such thing. Go ahead and mix all of those tracks again and we'll be the judge of which mix gives out the best vibes.

Am I the only person that is a bit let down by this CD? I feel the track selection on this CD compared to other kinda blows. Please dont get me wrong, there are a few very nice tracks but alot of filler. I love you Tiesto BUT it still means you have to make good CD's. Better luck next time!

lol It's funny how some people say there are too many anthems or big tunes in this CD and others complain that there are too many fillers. Others say that the only good thing about this CD is the track selection and others say that the track selection is what's wrong with it. There's no consensus at all, I guess that's a good thing .

Like I said, I'm a tiesto fan. Again, he is my favorite DJ and I agree that he always has a great showing when I go see him live. But it doesn't take away from the fact that the majority of threads I've read in 4 message boards show that many ppl are displeased with the lack of continuity, track selection and mixing in his latest CD. I'm a fan but I'm also objective.

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Originally posted by djinnom How about this... If I can find all of the tracks on MP3, I'll mix them in the order that they should have been in the first place, all with flawless mixing and end up producing a quality CD set. Then I'll post it here. Don't get me wrong. Tiesto has always been and always will be my favorite DJ. BUT, this double CD has some major flaws in it. The order, the list, the mixing all are flawed. The mix between Track 5 and 6 on CD 2 is so horrendous, I almost spilled coffee on myself while driving to work today. THAT's how bad some of the mixing is on this double CD. Period.

ok how about this.....since your soo confident, BE MY GUEST...POST IT HERE ASAP...I JUST WANNA HEAR ALL THIS TALK....enough talking i want to see actions NOW!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!

i still haven't heard all the tracks yet, but what i have heard i liked, i am a tiesto fan so hopefully when i get to hear the rest i won't be disappointed ..i have to admit i'm a little nervous with all the negative feedback on this album...

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Originally posted by politcs_of_danc ok how about this.....since your soo confident, BE MY GUEST...POST IT HERE ASAP...I JUST WANNA HEAR ALL THIS TALK....enough talking i want to see actions NOW!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!

Like I said, once I find all the mp3s, i shall. Or maybe I'll replace the garbage tracks with non-filler?

My point about this, is that I feel it is mediocre, for one reason

Look at the early magiks or ISOS 1 & 2 (3 was poor imo), they are immaculately selected and mixed, and you really get a great feeling from them, this just doesn't do that to me, which is why i'm bashing it, not cos i hate tiesto or anything, cos I think he's done better, and maybe he has set himself a standard too high to match now, but I think he has it in him to do that, and that's what frustrates me with Tijs

IMO most of 1 is crap... very much filler... while ISOS3 had a great ambient intro, this CD has 4 really repetitive songs (including the piss poor remix of "Obsession") that don't go anywhere... since when did Tiesto play Detroit Techno??? I *REALLY* hope he's not gonna play like this next Friday in NYC... The second disk is exceptional though.. maybe a bit deeper than Tiesto's usual set but... it's stunning. There's only one track that I don't care for on it, the rest is perfect... The last song on it is incredible... IMO, with the exception of a few tracks in the middle, and the last 3 tracks on disk 1, it's crap, and disk 2 is fantastic.

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Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch IMO most of 1 is crap... very much filler... while ISOS3 had a great ambient intro, this CD has 4 really repetitive songs (including the piss poor remix of "Obsession") that don't go anywhere... since when did Tiesto play Detroit Techno??? I *REALLY* hope he's not gonna play like this next Friday in NYC...

I notice a lot of people don't like the first 4 tracks of CD 1. The fact you don't like (or 'understand') techno doesn't mean these tracks are shit. They are quality techno tracks and just because Frank Biazzi's remix of Obsession doesn't sound like trance doesn't make it crap.

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Originally posted by djinnom Like I said, I'm a tiesto fan. Again, he is my favorite DJ and I agree that he always has a great showing when I go see him live. But it doesn't take away from the fact that the majority of threads I've read in 4 message boards show that many ppl are displeased with the lack of continuity, track selection and mixing in his latest CD. I'm a fan but I'm also objective.

It just means that everyone is listening to the album and trying to be critical instead of just enjoying the music. We should be enjoying the set for what it is and not just listening for every minor detail that goes wrong just because he's supposed to be the #1 dj in the world.

when i sat back and listened to it, it just didn't do anything for me. that simple.

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Originally posted by djarecebo It just means that everyone is listening to the album and trying to be critical instead of just enjoying the music. We should be enjoying the set for what it is and not just listening for every minor detail that goes wrong just because he's supposed to be the #1 dj in the world.

So now that most of the petty little arguments in this thread have died...djarcebo got it right. just ENJOY the music damnit.

To my point- WHAT makes cd 2 so much better than cd 1? I havent heard them yet, but I am just curious why some people are saying that. Let me make it clear that I am NOT challenging anyone's opinion. Just curious...

~~Paula~~
** 20 or so dollars is a LOT of money when you're me so I just need to know. Until I get a job anyway...**

I just got it last night, and i havent listened to disc 2 yet, but i would say the first dosc is nice to listen to although there are definitely some boring parts. As a matter of fact I thught the first song was rather boring, but then it picks up later in the disc. I would say the first disc is sort of a studio type mix or for lack of a better term a EM type mix. It doesnt get to upbeat but it doest go very relaxed either, I like it so far and well see wats up with the second disc. Some people say that the disc are supposed to be like outdoor and indoor something to that effect. As far as being different from the Magik series this is very different, This is definitely Tijs showcasing his new found style.

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Originally posted by politcs_of_danc ok how about this.....since your soo confident, BE MY GUEST...POST IT HERE ASAP...I JUST WANNA HEAR ALL THIS TALK....enough talking i want to see actions NOW!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!

Hey dude dont be surprised when you hear the mix, there are a lot of people on here with skills equivelant and or better to some our "favorite djs". Now my technical skills ad technical assessment skills are that evolved yet to where i can determine if its out of order and really I think the order is up the to the mixer itself, but i do know this its not out of theory because Tijs has fucked up before just never on cd. please dont concieve me as a Tijs hater either because I love the guy and his work. I mean look at the avatar.

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Originally posted by Djeebie I notice a lot of people don't like the first 4 tracks of CD 1. The fact you don't like (or 'understand') techno doesn't mean these tracks are shit. They are quality techno tracks and just because Frank Biazzi's remix of Obsession doesn't sound like trance doesn't make it crap.

Exactly. For me, it's just sad to read how people don't like those first few tracks in CD1 because it just shows how some tranceaddicts are narrow minded and shallow when it comes to accepting genres other than trance. I understand how some of you might not like them, I used to be a trance purist a long time ago, but to call these tracks piss poor just makes people sound pretty ignorant.

The first two tracks are probably the most complex and well produced tracks on both CDs(even if they're not even my favorite tracks). Have you ever heard Chutney live in a club?? The energy that track emits in the dancefloor is incredible, same goes for the brilliant Frank Biazzi remix of Obsession. I also think that the intro of CD1: M. Mayer-Love Is Stronger Than Pride, is one of Tiesto's boldest intros ever in a compilation and also very original and revolutionary for a trance dj to do. That track also energized the dancefloor like crazy a couple of times I've seen him drop it this year. If you think these are filler tracks, I really pity you. Go buy Ibiza Trance Euphoria Mix 2003 or some shit like that if you're stuck with the old outdated stale formula from last century. I bet those compilations will "flow" better for your taste, and no filler tracks at all. Pure trance anthems one after the other, wow that's mindblowing, it FLOOOOOWS

EDIT: Gotta love Amsterdam weed

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Originally posted by DJ P�O So yeah, the mix from 643 was kind of awkward, but the string of continuity (flow) was never broken till the end with Gatex.

i disagree on this part. he mixed in Fire & Ice - Neverending Melody INTO Flight 643[Original]. this is something U JUST DONT DO.. u dont mix in a melodic epic trance track into a 'funky techno' track as tiesto likes to call it.. no matter how much on point the mixing was,[which WASNT btw..] this type of arrangement of tracks will TOTALLY KILL THE MOOD/VIBE/ENERGY there was no flow whatsoever... up on til this point, i was enjoying tiesto's set, it was def one of his better performance in NYC since his debut @ Limelight up until that horrid transition that maybe a kid that just bought a pair of techs would make[selection wise AND mixing wise..] IMO it completely broke the continuity (flow) of the set.

I know, that was the worst mix of the night. Shoot the man. However, he recovered the energy at the last hour. Now I wasn't really sober that night, but I was all pumped up till the end and I certainly wasn't the only one. There was a lot of energy in the dancefloor all through the 4+ hours. It's pretty stupid to discuss a gig that happened over half a year ago though, I've seen Tiesto 5 times since the Roxy and frankly that was one of his sets I liked the least, even if it was still great.

Sometimes the techno into epic trance mixing works amazingly for Tiesto. I 'll repeat the same example again: just listen to Impulz 2002: Lanicor into In My Memory V-One Remix, priceless.

Wait, the neverending melody into 643 mix happened at the end? I don't remember man, but who cares. That was ages ago.

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Originally posted by Choobak it gives out an "i'm not very good at mixing; not even studio mixing" vibe...

haaaaaaa, agreed, but the track selection is nice.

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Originally posted by DJ P�O Sometimes the techno into epic trance mixing works amazingly for Tiesto.

it was actually epic trance into techno.. and this happened 5:30/6 tiesto got on @3 after sanger.

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Originally posted by dj tek i disagree on this part. he mixed in Fire & Ice - Neverending Melody INTO Flight 643[Original]. this is something U JUST DONT DO.. u dont mix in a melodic epic trance track into a 'funky techno' track as tiesto likes to call it.. no matter how much on point the mixing was,[which WASNT btw..] this type of arrangement of tracks will TOTALLY KILL THE MOOD/VIBE/ENERGY there was no flow whatsoever... up on til this point, i was enjoying tiesto's set, it was def one of his better performance in NYC since his debut @ Limelight up until that horrid transition that maybe a kid that just bought a pair of techs would make[selection wise AND mixing wise..] IMO it completely broke the continuity (flow) of the set.

A DJ set doesn't always require a smooth "flow". Sometimes you need a quick change of pace. I presume Tiesto had the energy up higher than he wanted and needed to hold back a bit to avoid going over the top. There's no rule that says you "JUST DON'T" mix two particular types of song. Besides, Tiesto's been doing this his whole career. Here's a couple examples:

Magik 5

Atlantis vs. Avatar - Fiji into Twilight - Platina (Maurits Paardekooper Remix)

That's almost identical to the Neverending Melody -> Flight 643 mix you mentioned above. He'd started with three of his own full-on trancers and needed a bridge of sorts between that and the upcoming climax of the set with Neverending Melody, Open Your Mind and Alone In The Dark; in comes Paardekooper's techy rework of Platina.

Magik 4

Vimana - We Came into Der Dritte Raum - Trommelmaschine into DJ Tiesto - Sparkles
H
e'd just been playing melodic trance and would go on to play Armin - Communication, Allure - We Ran At Dawn and Loop Control - Exceptionally Beautiful. So many anthems in a row would be a bit much so he changes directions with the minimal, tribal Trommelmaschine.

Basically, it's dangerous to try to "flow" too much because if you can only mix two songs that are structured identically your mix will sound the same and it'll get boring. Kudos to Tiesto for breaking your rules.

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