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Gr.12 UNDERAGED!
Prog: ALL THE WAY! GU, Northern Exposure>>Digweed>>my HERO.

Here is another question that is relating to this. Do people move from Trance to Progressive as they mature? Grow older? Look at cheesy electronica. We've all, at some point or another, listened to it. Don't deny iT! Will trance be the same thing? Will we grow out of it? If Prog is for 19+, then it clearly hints to that.

(I wonder what'll happen if they'll play Heaven Scent @Palazoo on an ALL AGE Night.)

To TTA and drewfactor: Progressive isn't a genre on its own, I don't care what people say. Progressive trance evolved as a hybrid of tribal and ambient trance music. Epic trance was a spinoff of prog trance (it did not come first! Epic evolved from progressive!). Prog house came out of the classic Chicago house in response to the Euro cheese that was so popular at the time. Prog breaks (to the best of my knowledge) evolved out of west coast breaks and techno.

I don't know if there are other kinds of progressive music out there, but those 3 are totally different, they have different influences and evolved out of different genres. I don't see how "progressive" can be classified as a genre in and of itself, you have either prog house, prog trance or prog breaks.

But anyway, that's just my 5 cents, and there's probably someone out there that knows more than I do that will say I'm totally wrong. So sue me. Anyway, like I said before, the thread was explicitly about prog house so let's not argue that. I think the point most people have made is accessibility which is generally the truth of the matter, and I wouldn't expect it to change any time soon.

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Originally posted by DiS Do people move from Trance to Progressive as they mature?

See above post...

If we're talking about progressive house, there's no reason for someone who's into trance to suddenly start listening to any kind of house. If we're talking about progressive trance, they probably already listen to it...

Well some thoughts say that progressive is more of an attitude

cass said it best...."Forward Thinking Music"

tho some say it is a sound

who knows...who cares

just enjoy the music imo.

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Originally posted by DigiNut We can liken it to alcoholic beverages. We could say that rev, for example, is a 19+ drink - well few people would drink this outside of a club, if people under 19 can get their hands on any alcohol it's usually cheap beer. Similar situation. That's my 2 cents anyway.

i LOOOOVE rev!

I disagree....
It does not matter what age you are....
it is a matter of taste and preferences....
I like both...and I am 19+.....

Although I love all Trance in all it's forms and being one of the older ones here I can only speak from my own experience and have to agree with the 19+ statement.

Being a lover of Eletronica / Alternative / New Wave 80s I find it a closer link to Progressive Trance/House than Uplifting /Epic or Ambient.

I think it may have more to do with the way the songs are structured more than the way they actually sound.
(We all know of songs and classic examples of each gendre so I won't bother with an example).
When you actually think of how elecronica has progressed over the years and has splintered into the many factions that it has, I'm of the opinion that Uplifting/Epic/Ambient and Progressive Trance/House are their own branches with a common vein in a primodial soup of music goodness...

Rawk on...

I'm 17 and I listen to prog, almost exclusively...

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Originally posted by DigiNut To TTA and drewfactor: Progressive isn't a genre on its own, I don't care what people say. Progressive trance evolved as a hybrid of tribal and ambient trance music. Epic trance was a spinoff of prog trance (it did not come first! Epic evolved from progressive!). Prog house came out of the classic Chicago house in response to the Euro cheese that was so popular at the time. Prog breaks (to the best of my knowledge) evolved out of west coast breaks and techno. I don't know if there are other kinds of progressive music out there, but those 3 are totally different, they have different influences and evolved out of different genres. I don't see how "progressive" can be classified as a genre in and of itself, you have either prog house, prog trance or prog breaks. But anyway, that's just my 5 cents, and there's probably someone out there that knows more than I do that will say I'm totally wrong. So sue me. Anyway, like I said before, the thread was explicitly about prog house so let's not argue that. I think the point most people have made is accessibility which is generally the truth of the matter, and I wouldn't expect it to change any time soon.

I see your point. I just read somewhere (they showed a timeline in a mixmag I believe) about the evolution of trance and it showed prog coming way earlier than trance. Oh well, it's so hard to pinpoint the evolution of all electronic music...it becomes futile after a while.

hmm....well I don't think age matters but I think people won't appreciate progressive until they've been into electronic music for awhile. I have been listening to trance/house for 3 years now and I'm not sick of uplifting, vocal, hard trance at all. I like a lot of house too. Some progressive is ok, but I doubt I'll ever make the shift over like a lot of you have. If anything, I'd stop listening to electronica altogether before I did that (which isn't likely in the near future anyway).

What is the relevance of this poll?

... in all seriousness

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Originally posted by Dr. Z What is the relevance of this poll? ... in all seriousness

maybe someone's interested in the demographics of everyone's opinion here .. ?

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC Statistically I'd say yes. I think progressive music is something that is appreciated at a more (i hate to say this) sophisticated level the same way classical music is. It can be 'boring' at times or seem like nothing is changing but you have to concentrate on the music more to appreciate it. However, there are some of us who like prog house like moi so, sometimes yes sometimes no

first off...this thread is stupid, you think music is going to change for you when you hit 19 buddy?

and elmo, shame on you for comparing classical music to prog

I think prog is ok, but nothing deep or complicated, unless you are an idiot, well then things would be complicated a lot of the time.

music is music, of course taste changes when you are older but not because of your age, but because you are starting to intigrate more things into your imagination and tolerence, thats a question of maturity really, not age. i kno a lot of ppl that are not mature, yet are very old...umm then there are ppl who smoke weed a lot...umm they cant form sentences well

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Originally posted by abercrombieboy first off...this thread is stupid, you think music is going to change for you when you hit 19 buddy? and elmo, shame on you for comparing classical music to prog I think prog is ok, but nothing deep or complicated, unless you are an idiot, well then things would be complicated a lot of the time. music is music, of course taste changes when you are older but not because of your age, but because you are starting to intigrate more things into your imagination and tolerence, thats a question of maturity really, not age. i kno a lot of ppl that are not mature, yet are very old...umm then there are ppl who smoke weed a lot...umm they cant form sentences well

yes... when your 7 what kind of music do you listen to? when your 14 what kind of music do you listen to? when your 25 what kind of music do you listen to? I dont know what it is...maybe you just hear different things at a different age who knows thats what Mecha is asking

classical music is not appreciated by the younger generation. how many 'under 19' people do you see on the bus or walking on the street listening to beethoven or mozart? I said it takes more concentration to listen to prog as opposed to trance. admit it, for you trance djs when you go vinyl shopping do you sit there and listen to the song or do you skip to the building and decide on whether the track is right for you?

your right, no music is complicated. classical music is just layers of instruments playing in harmony right? however, to create them in a way that is unique, gives you a feeling of emotion, thats not because its 'just music'.

the question asked was why does prog house seem to be more popular in the 19+ crowd, looks like that last paragraph was your answer...no need for the above.

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Originally posted by abercrombieboy umm then there are ppl who smoke weed a lot...umm they cant form sentences well

LoL where did this come from? seems like it is YOU who cannot form a paragraph.. this was just some random sentence

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Originally posted by abercrombieboy I think prog is ok, but nothing deep or complicated, unless you are an idiot, well then things would be complicated a lot of the time.

Who is the idiot? Hmmm... I think that idiot is you. Do you even know the slightest thing about Classical music? Both forms, both genres are similar in the sense that they are 'artistic' and 'creative', and emphasize and encourage those sort of inclinations. The ONLY difference between prog and classical, is that there is no dynamics changes in prog. It is banged out as loud as possible, at the same level, throught the balance of each track. Besides that, there are really no differences between the two. Feel free to explain -- rationally -- where this unfounded crock of bullshit is coming from.

guys, havent you all learned by now that ambercrombieboy is just a shit stirer and nothing more???

look for a single prductive post by this guy and prove that he isnt.... just ignore the asshole..not worth the time arguing with

Hmm...

Might 'abercrombieboy' = the ever annoying OasisAwaits from Tribe, who, after finally being banned from there, has moved on to annoy a new messageboard altogether?

Guys relax... this "asshole" (as you call him) has a point.

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Originally posted by abercrombieboy music is music, of course taste changes when you are older but not because of your age, but because you are starting to intigrate more things into your imagination and tolerence, thats a question of maturity really, not age...

Its true, the people who listen to classical are at a higher intellectual awareness. I've seen geeks my age (19) listening to classical. And some genious children also listen to classical. Just because most of the brainwashed "teens" listen to sean desman, or christina, doesn't mean age affects your musical preference.

Look at another example. Look at HHC (happy hardcore) ravers. They go through their whole life listening to happy hardcore. Since HHC is similar to children's music, that would mean they practicaly listened to the same type of music their whole life.

As said before, the only reason most of the prog listeners are 19+ is because of the clubs. The clubs play prog while they are 19+ addmitance.

^^^^^^well then if thats the theory that based on clubs playing prog being the reason for 19- being uninterested in it, then how would u explain the liking of trance, HHC, hungle, dnb and so on???

how many all ages clubs play that kind of stuff??

but wait..we have destiny, nightmare, purple heaven etc that have parties which the 19- partake in...

hmmm but how do they get people to go to the parties if they havent heard the music before???

going back to the first question, this is a question taht has many potential answers but there isnt one that would be perfect to explain it.

i have to see alotta these opinions are different yet most of them seem to make sense.

but IMO, i agree with the fact that you can eventually handle more complex sequences and harder, deeper layers of music.

after all music is just a bunch of noise artisticly put together to create a freedom of expression, send u on a euphoric state and eventually purge ur emotions from the every day stress. The more ur brain develops, the deeper the sequences have to be and the more complex music gets.

think of it as a high. When u get used to a certain dosage, u need to increase the dosage to obtain the same high. After getting used to that high, u gotta switch to a stronger high.

Prog. is certainly the stronger stuff and u gotta appereciate it for what it is. for all who don't listen to prog regularly (including myself) i would incorage u to go for it. i'm pretty new to the subgenere and i already starting to love it.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Agreed. Whenever I look at a 19+ club that plays prog (take Lotus for example) it's as if they market it towards being "mature", "business" type of atmosphere (I read a review from someone in here that said people were just standing around not dancing or anything). I mean that type of vibe isn't for me...imo. I want to party and groove to the tunage and meet cool people. Not go there and act like I'm some sort of elitist etc. Doesn't matter what kind of tunage they play, for me whether or not it's prog or trance, as long as people are dancing and having a wicked ass time I could care less.

this post is $$$$$$

all i know is i love the dirty tek

is that an age thing or what? not many people i know that are my age like techno

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Originally posted by The Highroller all i know is i love the dirty tek is that an age thing or what? not many people i know that are my age like techno

thats because nobody listens to techno no more

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Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC thats because nobody listens to techno no more

lol, Kev... Now you're just sounding like Eminem.

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