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haven't seen it as yet...but am looking forward to seeing it VERY SOON!

Matt, it's more focused on form, construct, evolution, determinism, order/disorder.

and i thought the bit with the architect was cool, nice twist indeed.

and it's not that hard to understand, just pay attention to what he says.... I mean really people..

11/10

nuff said

110/100

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Originally posted by Trancey Ash Was Reloaded just as much based around Christianity and Religion as much as the first one?

Hmmm not necessarily christianity, but definately a sense of religion. Many of the people of Zion didn't believe in the Matrix (eg the ship's operator's g/f). They thought the likes of Morpheus (who, back in Zion, was portrayed as a religious leader for those who did believe) were crazy when they talked about the prophecy and ending the war via alternative means.


Got the gist of most of what the architect was on about, but i was soo damn stoned.....it was a bit of a challenge. Will definately go see it again real soon

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Originally posted by FlameBoy hah yeah that was a mad bit! anyone know the song they were playing

Fair bit of Juno Reactor on the s'track? Check it out?

I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what Hybrid Junkie has posted, spot on mate, spot on. Just to reiterate some of those great points:

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie: "if you were impressed by the dance scene and not by the movie then i really do pity you"

- I agree, this shows that he couldn't comprehend the actual movie (the plot)

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie: "And you need to look at the big picture, matrix 1 was an introduction, matrix 2 gives you the low down on what the entire matrix really is and how it operates (internally), and what the survivors are like (their society blah blah), and matrix 3 will be the conclusion/resolution."

- Agreed again, who says there is a specific mould by which sequels and trilogies should be made? I like the way the story is unfolding, I really enjoyed the second movie and having seen the 2nd, looking back at the first, I think it was a very suitable introduction, it was a spot on production in that sense.

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie: "Not a hardcore matrix fan, but I like to enjoy things, and go in with an open mind, I didn't expect a life changing experience, and I didn't get it, but was pleasantly suprised with a lot of the movie."

- Definitely need an open mind for this imo, if you go into the cinema as a sceptic and don't just let the story tell itself then you aren't going to appreciate the movie.

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Originally posted by Master Yoda: "So was all that talk by the 'architect', I mean wtf? did anyone get all of it?"

- Yes.

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie: "i thought the bit with the architect was cool, nice twist indeed. and it's not that hard to understand, just pay attention to what he says.... I mean really people.."

- Agreed.

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Originally posted by Master Yoda: "What was the reason behind the big dancing scene?? To make the sex scene not as bold? For a movie like the matrix, both are unnecessary and pretty much useless."

- They mightn't be the most important parts of the movie but they were put in there for reasons. The huge party shows you that the people of Zion are still human and that they stick together, they're social, and it's quite a contrast to the machines who's only purpose seems to be wiping out the people. It's also to show you that they are determined as a people, it's the only part where you really see the population of Zion together. The love scene I think it neccessary to stress the feelings between Neo and Trinity, which is a major point in Neo's choice later in the plot, and it's an example of how their relationship has changed since the first matrix film. Like I said, of course they are not the most important parts of the movie, but they are part of the story! It's like saying a DJ is shit cos he played 2 or 3 tracks that don't make you cry with emotion... it's all part of the flow of the plot.

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Originally posted by Master Yoda: "End was... well it wasn't really an ending"

- I completely disagree. The ending was HUGE in terms of the plot. Throughout the movie you are left wondering if the prophecy is a load of shit... and I don't know about everyone else but towards the end of the movie it seemed likely that it was... then suddenly there's a giant revelation in all the subsequent theories of Neo's role in the prophecy, and it's the perfect way to end the episode that is to be concluded with a sequel imo.


Hope I haven't offended anyone. Our reviews of this movie are mostly subjective so I'm not trying to force anything down anyone's throat.

In conclusion.. I thoroughly enjoyed The Matrix Reloaded. As I've said to many, it lived up to all the hype, even though I went into the cinema with an open mind and processed what was thrown at me. The special effects and fighting scenes almost perfectly complimented the rest of the film (plot, characters, actors..) although I felt if anything, they were a little too drawn out. I'll definitely be seeing it a 2nd time, perhaps even a 3rd at the cinemas, as I'm sure I'll pick up things that I didn't have time to get my mind around the first time I saw it. One of the best movies I have ever seen.

note: free goat semen to whoever read all of that

i'd have to agree with pretty much everything that Rememberence_ has said

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ I'd have to say I agree with 90% of what Hybrid Junkie has posted, spot on mate, spot on. Just to reiterate some of those great points: - I agree, this shows that he couldn't comprehend the actual movie (the plot) - Agreed again, who says there is a specific mould by which sequels and trilogies should be made? I like the way the story is unfolding, I really enjoyed the second movie and having seen the 2nd, looking back at the first, I think it was a very suitable introduction, it was a spot on production in that sense. - Definitely need an open mind for this imo, if you go into the cinema as a sceptic and don't just let the story tell itself then you aren't going to appreciate the movie. - Yes. - Agreed. - They mightn't be the most important parts of the movie but they were put in there for reasons. The huge party shows you that the people of Zion are still human and that they stick together, they're social, and it's quite a contrast to the machines who's only purpose seems to be wiping out the people. It's also to show you that they are determined as a people, it's the only part where you really see the population of Zion together. The love scene I think it neccessary to stress the feelings between Neo and Trinity, which is a major point in Neo's choice later in the plot, and it's an example of how their relationship has changed since the first matrix film. Like I said, of course they are not the most important parts of the movie, but they are part of the story! It's like saying a DJ is shit cos he played 2 or 3 tracks that don't make you cry with emotion... it's all part of the flow of the plot. - I completely disagree. The ending was HUGE in terms of the plot. Throughout the movie you are left wondering if the prophecy is a load of shit... and I don't know about everyone else but towards the end of the movie it seemed likely that it was... then suddenly there's a giant revelation in all the subsequent theories of Neo's role in the prophecy, and it's the perfect way to end the episode that is to be concluded with a sequel imo. Hope I haven't offended anyone. Our reviews of this movie are mostly subjective so I'm not trying to force anything down anyone's throat. In conclusion.. I thoroughly enjoyed The Matrix Reloaded. As I've said to many, it lived up to all the hype, even though I went into the cinema with an open mind and processed what was thrown at me. The special effects and fighting scenes almost perfectly complimented the rest of the film (plot, characters, actors..) although I felt if anything, they were a little too drawn out. I'll definitely be seeing it a 2nd time, perhaps even a 3rd at the cinemas, as I'm sure I'll pick up things that I didn't have time to get my mind around the first time I saw it. One of the best movies I have ever seen.

-Agreed

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note: free goat semen to whoever read all of that

/me gets a nice big glass handy

I saw it on Sunday night and personally loved it, great movie ! however it doen't compete with the first one

What can i say... unfortunately i too am one of those that truly loved the matrix, the original one of course.. but this is just another Mummy 2 repeats... shame shame... Wachowsky Bros... what happened

You are fucking geniouses for christ sakes!!!

*sigh

Only two mad things about Matrix:Reloaded...

1 - Freeway chase... but was too damm long...

2 - Superman thing... FUCKING AWESUM.. especially when he takes off... OMG!!! madness...

BAD THINGS!!!

1 - rave scene??? plz... wats the deal...

2 - too much of a good thing = bullet time... they raped the shit outta of it...

3 - when Neo is fighting all those Agent Smith's at once.. the CGi was eye damaging, but i think the CGi was bad in most scenes... EEEKKK

Anyways.. i think thats enough...

A rating you ask? well i give it a 6/10... it wasn't THAT bad... but its not worth seeing it again.. sorry... /me shrugz...

Just saw it today... My opinion:

Good development of the WHOLE story, developing/evolving characters/versions. I think it gives more insight into the whole 'Matrix' program. The religion-ism is more obvious and more concentrated on. I'd sy the fight sequences are just a little too long. I don't think it was as good as the first, but i don't think it was any worse either. I will definitely watch it again.

Just got back from finally seeing this .. fuck me it was good!!

I thought the special effects were outstanding, that whole Neo vs 100 Agent Smiths thing was like the natural evolution of bullet-time. If you're complaining about the CGI in that scene, bear in mind that the ENTIRE scene is computer generated.

Yes, the whole thing. The agents, Neo, the pole, the background, the birds, the seats, everything. The whole damn scene was CGI. OK at times it was slightly noticeable (because I knew this in advance and was looking for it), but go back and watch it again with this in mind. Think of other CGI like Toy Story or Final Fantasy, then compare it to that scene. Not really any comparison, is it?

I did think a couple of the fight scenes were a bit too long, but if you're on a good thing, why not keep going?

As for the rave scene, if you don't see why it was there then you were obviously too busy looking at the tits As Rem pointed out, the scene shows you the people of Zion, contrasting them with the machines. Put simply, it shows you what Neo, Morpheus and the others are fighting for.

I didn't have any problem understanding the Architect either .. maybe you need to understand some nerd fundamentals to fully grasp what he's saying

And how gorgeous is Persephone!?!

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Originally posted by webmeister I thought the special effects were outstanding, that whole Neo vs 100 Agent Smiths thing was like the natural evolution of bullet-time. If you're complaining about the CGI in that scene, bear in mind that the ENTIRE scene is computer generated. Yes, the whole thing. The agents, Neo, the pole, the background, the birds, the seats, everything. The whole damn scene was CGI. OK at times it was slightly noticeable (because I knew this in advance and was looking for it), but go back and watch it again with this in mind. Think of other CGI like Toy Story or Final Fantasy, then compare it to that scene. Not really any comparison, is it?

yeah but toy story and shrek are all cgi films... matrix is 'real'..it stands out a lot more and i think it detracts from it a bit, because of course it looks cool but then you think 'well duh its all computer'. i honestly felt it wasn't as good because i was looking at a computer generated character in one scene then keanu reeves in another.

i thought the fights were good, even though i was let down by the some of the close up cgi the way they all moved and jumped and dodged and got hit and everything was awesome!!!!!

jolz jumped out of her seat when rob dougan was on hehehe

the track in the "unnecessary rave scene" is 'fluke - xion' and props to juno reactor!! w00t! i noticed a bit of "tree hugger" music as jolz puts it hehe

and pffft @ the architect, nobody goes to a movie to pay attention HJ, and nobody goes to see some old guy blab on for 20 mins on how he made the matrix either!!
personally that all went over my head but i will watch it again sometime to get a better idea hehe. i would have liked a bit more gun action even though i loved the martial arts fighting

and someone already gave their thoughts on the dance scene so i won't need to repeat them

overall i thought it was a good movie but i really think i will need to see it again.

I'm amazed that the majority of you people aren't reviewing the brilliant plot, only the action scenes. What an insult to the movie... it's just so much more than that people.

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ I'm amazed that the majority of you people aren't reviewing the brilliant plot, only the action scenes. What an insult to the movie... it's just so much more than that people.

I stayed away from talking about the plot, simply because I don't want to ruin it for anyone who may stumble through here without seeing the film

I just saw it last night, and glanced over this thread now, so ill probably say stuff thats already been said, here it goes

woah

Matrix 2 was really good, i havent seen a move this good in ages. It was approximately 1354.69 times better than the watered down for popcorn eaters first movie. Instead of subtly going into the philosphy of the matrix they decided that everyone was going to be hit in the face with it. Good decision i think.

That scene with the architect, i think i heard half the audiences heads explode, before they took another hand full of popcorn. That was a great scene.

Some stuff was a bit taccy, neo saving trinity by fishing the bullet out? That rave scene was retarded. It looked like the latest nelly video, and went on for way too long. Morpheus's speech before it sucked the big one too. If he is at least going to have a speech make it a decent one? The sex scenes and the continual neo and trinity sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G themes for the first half of the movie were way overplayed. Get over it.

Does anyone have any theories on the ending?

*SPOILERS EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A SPOILER THREAD*








Personally im thinking that Zion is another matrix designed to be a real world for people who choose not to accept the matrix, hence neos powers when he kills those sentinels. When zion finds that .1% anomally (which is actually pretty high, 1 out of 1000 people is the one?) they choose to rebuild zion starting the process all over again of finding the next one.

When neos goes into a coma at the end i think that could be him ascending into the real world. But if it is, then why is agent smith in the real world too. Or they could both just be in a coma because they got emped.


*END SPOILERS*

Anyway, great movie, i thoroughly enjoyed it.

edit: ill read and discuss rems post later.

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Originally posted by escee Personally im thinking that Zion is another matrix designed to be a real world for people who choose not to accept the matrix, hence neos powers when he kills those sentinels. When zion finds that .1% anomally (which is actually pretty high, 1 out of 1000 people is the one?) they choose to rebuild zion starting the process all over again of finding the next one. When neos goes into a coma at the end i think that could be him ascending into the real world. But if it is, then why is agent smith in the real world too. Or they could both just be in a coma because they got emped.

Nice post esky, except I don't agree with you on the things you think wre tacky etc. Your idea on zion being another matrix etc is great, I hadn't considered that yet! Must see it again.

I loved it

I think u guys who don't understand need to watch the first movie, then realise whats happenening, then go & see the 2nd movie. It seems difficult to comprehend at first, but like most things you just need to get your head around it.

I think too much emphasis in today's cinema is on action with 0 intellectual points for plot. Finally a movie that has a balance. But it would seem that its too late. Hollywood has brainwashed its audiences into being only able to interpret a punch, rather than an indepth philisophical discussion about purpose.

I love the matrix, the whole concept, its so far-fetched, yet so close to home. Its crazy, yet tragically real (if there is such a thing) Its refreshing for me to find a movie thats intellectually challenging yet still fucking entertaining. The fight scenes are fuckin huge. The one with the replicating agent smith was a bit cheap I have to admit. But I ask somoene to do what they're trying to do with today's technology.

also: with reference to people saying the 'rave' scene was pointless, I disagree. If the reality of Zion is in-fact 'real' life, and not a matrix within a matrix, then its quite significant. I think the sequence identifies the human struggle, and just the drenching of natural physical bondage between woman and man, it just identifies with the natural struggle of survival. The fact that its a 'rave' is a connection with our tribal/instinctive natural state. Its all a metaphor for saying that our basic survival instincts are not with material things (ie guns, weapons, MACHINES), but with the maniphestation of our individual selves to rise up & survive in our natural form.

I think the fact that the people of zion live under the earths surface, are constantly strugggling, and when neo shows up they treat him like a religous figure and ask him to protect them and their childs personifies the struggle to live enough.

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Its all a metaphor for saying that our basic survival instincts are not with material things (ie guns, weapons, MACHINES), but with the maniphestation of our individual selves to rise up & survive in our natural form.

If that were the case, why include the scene with the council member on the engineering deck? That essentially said that the people of zion were dependant on machines to recycle their air and water and to provide heat.

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Shit slade said in his first post about todays cinema

I totally agree with that. The last movie that did it well was fight club i think. Which was entertaining enough, had lots of punches, and also challenged peoples views on consumerism, capitalism and self worth. Then some movies just try too hard to be intellectual, Mullholland Drive is a perfect example, besides the lesbian scenes i didnt get much entertainment out of that.

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Rems shit here

I think the fact that neo and trinity were holding hands for the first half of the movie and making goo goo eyes at each other was obvious enough that they had a relationship. As well neos dreams and how much they affected him. The Line "Ive never letting go of this blah blah blah" sounded like it came out of a trashy danielle steel book or something.

news just in: philby agrees with bedrock!

hmmm interesting movie
i wasnt really blown away at first but looking back its a really good movie
the fight scenes were awesome and you shouldnt complain about the cgi stuff cause think how far its come over the past couple years. all i can say is wow.
loved how he strikes a pose before supermaning it off

about the plot
i got confused at the end cause here i was thinking that when they left the matrix and went into the "real" world, neo goes and kills those sentinals which brought up the idea of there being many layers of the matrix. someone suggested that everytime the one was discovered, they would get better, but so would the matrix and there was this continual growth of both sides. all speculation but i cant wait till november

gonna check it out 2nite... better be as good as the first one or those wakowski brothers (however you spell it) are gettin a slappin!! hahaha

is it just me or was the whole political heirarchy of Zion incredibly similar to that of Star Wars?

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Originally posted by Teknoscaper. is it just me or was the whole political heirarchy of Zion incredibly similar to that of Star Wars?

hehe .. yeah I thought that too

I just love the way the whole idea of the Matrix is entirely turned on its head in that Architect scene! I'm also fairly sure that -- don't read here if you haven't seen it -- Neo is no longer a human, but a program inside the Matrix, like the Architect, like the Oracle, Seraph, the new Agent Smith etc. This transition probably occured at the end of the first film when Neo was killed by Agent Smith, changing him from nerdy I-don't-really-believe-in-myself Neo, to fuck-this-blow-some-shit-up-manipulate-the-Matrix-at-will Neo. Notice how Agent Smith can use Morpheus as a source from which to clone himself, but can't use Neo. Neo is plugged in to the Matrix code in some way, as there are numerous references to him being able to see things in Matrix code.

Another cool point - remember all the screens in the Architect's lair? Think back to Matrix 1 - you've seen those screens before. The part early in the movie where Neo is interrogated by the Agents in some windowless room - the scene starts by looking at a whole bank of computer monitors. You assume they're just security cameras or something, but now we know they're not

Also about the end part, I'm not exactly sure what happens when Neo faces off the Sentinels - whether he actually stops them himself, or whether the ship that turns up a minute later had EMP-ed them. Gotta watch it again to make sure

And also, stick around after the credits as there is apparently a 30 second trailer for Matrix Revolutions

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