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Hollands reputation as "Trance Nation" comes from the Events and Clubs they have not from the record stores. Record stores are imo no criteria when it comes to being a "Trance Nation". I can tell you from various trance events I`ve been to in Holland. 
I think Canada is quickly catching up, not so much in terms of djs and producers but in terms of a following. the HMV in downtown Toronto has a Huge electronic section. I live just toronto, and the hmv near my place has a big section too. Im pleased with it. the cd's are still too expensive to be mainstream, so i stick with downloading live mixes. I know more people who are getting into trance, but most stil regard it as stupid and repedative. The prices for the music dont help to populate it, but for that i am thanksful. As soon as it gets popular the quality will die, and along with it, most of our souls.
I did hear Iio - At the end, on the radio the other day. and castles in the sky, thats as far as peoples trance knowledge goes though.
We Dutch are lazy asses who don't buy albums but download them.
And the people who do buy records do it online, because they have no time to go to the shops or risk out-of-stock.
haha..hardstyle isnt all that bad..hell im lisening to it right now..but i still like trance and techno as well no reason to be so against it..i mean its all electronic music so it should all be respected..blah!! btw that sad there in holland about the record stores..hell i live in a somewhat small city in california and even we have a record store with trance and gabber as well as house very nice
It's true about the record stores, although I can't believe you didn't see Armin, Ferry or Ti�sto cd's in a store. They sell them almost everywhere.
I think Holland got its name as 'Trance Nation' because of the parties and clubs, as mentioned above. But most important: because of the producers.
lol, you obviously went to the wrong record stores and places.were you expecting everyone to like trance? i don't like salsa and i'm from puerto rico, a salsa nation, the place were the music is fucking made, just like holland with trance. that's not very surprising either.
whatever, all i know is that a foreigner living in holland i encounter trance everywhere in the most random of places. i've also been to the best parties of my life here, they're ridiculously good in terms of attendance, crowd involvement, and dj following. when i go back to new york next semester i don't think i'll be able to go out, because clubbing over there will seem so meaningless after this experience. a concept such as tiesto in concert would only work here and in the uk, it would fail anywhere else. for a country of less than 20 million people, the magnitude of all the big parties are impressive.
the first day i was here i walked down the market and i heard Driftwood-Freeloader. i can't even remember all the times i've walked into a burger king and heard a Gatecrasher or MoS compilation. or the coffeeshop where they play ISOS 2 all the time. right now i'm seeing Tiesto in Concert on MTV. or the flyers everywhere and TV ads for Sensation, Dance Valley, MysteryLand, Trance Energy etc.
if there's such thing as a trance nation, for me, holland is it. 
well i personally have 2 good friends from Holland, we meet every summer in holidays here in Greece and they dont know anything from trance...maybe coz they are girls but i think that has nothing to do with it...i even managed to give them cds to listen and the were surpsised when i told them this music "should" be popular in Holland...also there 2 other friends of me from German that also come here the summers dont know shit about Paul van dyk etc...they told me many times that in their country punk is more popular than this "trance"...i also asked them if they know the LoveParade and they said "No"...well i was amazed but i think trance is more underground than we think and i like it....
It's just like a tourist coming to the U.S. asking about Bo Diddley, most people wouldnt even know who that is! although he's a Blues legend and Blues is real popular in the U.S. that doesnt mean everyone knows about him. The tourist would say "well im disapointed because I thought he was very popular and nobody knows who that is" the truth is that he is popular but only with a certain crowd.
"heh atleast its not like here in california..its all rap and hip-hop and mainstream stuff..and if anyone likes electronica they usually just call it techno when they really mean trance (its quit disturbing)"
--->really? what part of cali are you from? I think cali has a couple healthy trance scenes... i.e SF, LA, maybe even Sacramento(although I understand jungle & hardcore are more the thing...)
and no one here has even heard of hardstyle wich i think is very kick ass for the most part trance is still alive..atleast in america
--->Heard of Thomas Trouble of Blutonium Records...he's made some decent hardstyle records and has been pushin the sound for a bit...and from San Francisco!
btw just the other day i was in best buy and they had a section for electronic music...had the ferry costa cd and some essential mixes as well! and much more wich is very nice..atleast for me since i saw no one else in the section buyin stuff! bwahhaha..all mine!!
---> I rarely find anything worth buying at our mainstream stores unfortunetly... I was at the San Francisco virgin megastore and it was funny because I was looking in the electronica section and I swear there were maybe two other Americans... but it was full of people with English accents...and a couple Japanese tourists... l8ers 
btw big ups all the trance nations... Holland, Germany, UK, US whatever!!!
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| Originally posted by teo they told me many times that in their country punk is more popular than this "trance"...i also asked them if they know the LoveParade and they said "No"...well i was amazed but i think trance is more underground than we think and i like it.... |
Sure, the shop owner says Trance sucks and you should listen to soul? 
wow didnt know some here in california was pushing hardstyle ill just to look into it..for the most part im just south of sacramento in stockton...here we actually have rap raves..and its true most of the electronica sections at stores are dead! cept for a few people..but hats off to them for actually going to the section since hardly any do
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| Originally posted by SOLO-D1 I have to agree with PCP2017 that is not bad for a country twice the size of new jersey! and I've never heard of a trance event of 40,000 pleople in the US, but I could be wrong. |
cd/record shops are going to sell what is popular. They are in business which means they are in it to make money. If they were to sell what they personally liked and not what people would buy, do you think they would stay in business for long?
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| Originally posted by SOLO-D1 It's just like a tourist coming to the U.S. asking about Bo Diddley, most people wouldnt even know who that is! although he's a Blues legend and Blues is real popular in the U.S. that doesnt mean everyone knows about him. The tourist would say "well im disapointed because I thought he was very popular and nobody knows who that is" the truth is that he is popular but only with a certain crowd. |
I live in New York City, and the trance/club scene is quite big here, too many clubs to mention, biggest one though is probably Webster Hall, maybe some of you have they compilation CD's or what not. But MTV Inc. and the little 14 yrs olds of the US dont know their ass from a hole in the ground. All this pop music and shit *vomits* ill admit when i was growing up, I listened to a load of rap. I still like it, but most of it is garbage. If the music industry wasnt so commercial and industrialized, I think we all know what would be on top. ACTUAL MUSIC, WITH BEAT AND LYRICS WORTH LISTENING TO. Not like rap, where a 5 yr old can come up with a rhyme, throw in a beat or two, talk through the beat, and sell a million records. Funniest thing I hear when listening to club music in my car is, WTF is that noise your listening to? If trance is noise, than rap gotta be barking with a tune.
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| Originally posted by jploveparade We Dutch are lazy asses who don't buy albums but download them. |
- Yes, that's true, there's always the chance you will find that Import dance CD, but that is, the IMPORT < meaning, expensive as hell, but I see that thats the case anywhere you go, except for lets say, Germany, Hollanda and the UK, where bunch of good CD's are released locally. But is true, you will most likely find stuff in Miami's record shops, and Im taking it as since trance is a strong genre, and its Miami, ya know, South Beach, bunch of DJ's and clubs, who knows.
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| Originally posted by Biohazard You guys shouldnt come to holland, the scene stinks here.The Trance scenehas been destroyed by hardstyle. Soon gabber is gna take over again and trance will go back to the underground. Our Djs like ferry, tiesto and armin will go abroad and we will never hearvthme anymoire  I've been warned the Uk people for the same thing, they wont listen. You will see when you scene gets flooded with tons of useless hardstylke albums and parties. Its fun for about a year, but it tired really quickly |
Damn it.
And here I was planning to pay the great nation a vision in the next couple of years. Main reason: PARTYYYY. Oh well. Ain't happening any time soon. The scene will change.
btw, imported CDs are EXPENSIVE!!! Even tho I have 56k, I'd still rather download a cd. (EMC and Essential Hub rule)
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| Originally posted by Vlad I live in New York City, and the trance/club scene is quite big here, too many clubs to mention, biggest one though is probably Webster Hall, maybe some of you have they compilation CD's or what not. But MTV Inc. and the little 14 yrs olds of the US dont know their ass from a hole in the ground. All this pop music and shit *vomits* ill admit when i was growing up, I listened to a load of rap. I still like it, but most of it is garbage. If the music industry wasnt so commercial and industrialized, I think we all know what would be on top. ACTUAL MUSIC, WITH BEAT AND LYRICS WORTH LISTENING TO. Not like rap, where a 5 yr old can come up with a rhyme, throw in a beat or two, talk through the beat, and sell a million records. Funniest thing I hear when listening to club music in my car is, WTF is that noise your listening to? If trance is noise, than rap gotta be barking with a tune. |
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| Originally posted by DiS Damn it. And here I was planning to pay the great nation a vision in the next couple of years. Main reason: PARTYYYY. Oh well. Ain't happening any time soon. The scene will change. btw, imported CDs are EXPENSIVE!!! Even tho I have 56k, I'd still rather download a cd. (EMC and Essential Hub rule) |
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| Originally posted by Orko I think Canada is quickly catching up, not so much in terms of djs and producers but in terms of a following. the HMV in downtown Toronto has a Huge electronic section. I live just toronto, and the hmv near my place has a big section too. Im pleased with it. the cd's are still too expensive to be mainstream, so i stick with downloading live mixes. I know more people who are getting into trance, but most stil regard it as stupid and repedative. The prices for the music dont help to populate it, but for that i am thanksful. As soon as it gets popular the quality will die, and along with it, most of our souls. I did hear Iio - At the end, on the radio the other day. and castles in the sky, thats as far as peoples trance knowledge goes though. |
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