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Posted by Mangler on Jun-06-2003 06:32:

I cringe at discussions like this. Trance originally got its cheese conotations when progressive became popular (for the short time that it did) & people like Sean Quinn started bagging trance as a way for him & his inaccessible crap to look cool. Trance will border on being cheesy. some of the stuff we listen to has commercial appeal, melody will do that. At the end of the day though, melody is what people remember & is what makes an anthem that you can play 5 years down the track. Sure, there are some really CRAP vocal trance trax, but there are also good ones. A dj's job is to find the good stuff, and most of the ones i know & that are used at 5am are good at doing this.


Posted by jizza on Jun-06-2003 06:51:

quote:
Originally posted by connekt
Cheese is cheese. Mostly everyone knows that its cheese. But some dont like to profess that they like cheese, so they claim it isnt, while others think that they are cheese connoisseurs, and in this arrogance, feel the need to claim everything that isnt up to their 'HIGH' standards is in fact cheese


that's exactly what i'm talkin about. people should not have to justify their musical tastes for anybody, but with the advent of this 'cheese' bullshit, personal tastes are being dictated by other people - not the actual music.

and also since when does the sudden popularity of a song affect the overall quality of the tune? surely just cos more people like it, the song doesnt become shit all of a sudden.

okies thats enuff tough guy out of me, good topic though i must admit...

quote:
A dj's job is to find the good stuff, and most of the ones i know & that are used at 5am are good at doing this.


most?


Posted by julianreynolds on Jun-06-2003 06:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Mangler
I cringe at discussions like this. Trance originally got its cheese conotations when progressive became popular (for the short time that it did) & people like Sean Quinn started bagging trance as a way for him & his inaccessible crap to look cool. Trance will border on being cheesy. some of the stuff we listen to has commercial appeal, melody will do that. At the end of the day though, melody is what people remember & is what makes an anthem that you can play 5 years down the track. Sure, there are some really CRAP vocal trance trax, but there are also good ones. A dj's job is to find the good stuff, and most of the ones i know & that are used at 5am are good at doing this.


you da man albert. Agree 100%. 5AM = no cheese


Posted by Hybrid Junkie on Jun-06-2003 07:09:

xavier is Greencourt feat. Lina Rafn - Silent Heart (Flutlict mix) cheese?

try playing that to ppl which don't like trance/hard trance and the chances are they'll all hate it and call it techno, not cheese


Posted by gilmista on Jun-06-2003 07:50:

The Basics of Making Cheese
The process of cheesemaking is an ancient craft that dates back thousands of years. By today's standards of industrial technology, the process of cheesemaking is still a complicated one which combines both "Art" and "Science" together. The subject of cheese has been extensively investigated by many research groups in many countries. Table 2.1: Chemical Composition (%) of Milks of Selected Species of Mammals. (Data compiled from Scott (1986)).

Animal Fat Protein Milk Sugar Minerals
-------------------------------------------------

Cow 3.8 3.0 4.8 0.75

Goat 6.0 3.3 4.6 0.84

Sheep 9.0 4.6 4.7 1.00

Buffalo 6.0 3.8 4.5 0.75


buffalo cheese? eeeek


Posted by -=M=- on Jun-06-2003 07:50:

quote:
Originally posted by InAcoma
A few days ago around lunch time i heard
chicane- saltwater on nova, by ur definition, is this track cheese???


unless it was late night, or under a live set, then yes


Posted by Xavier on Jun-06-2003 08:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Drifter
wtf???
yea flutlicht and shokk are hard trance...do you call them cheese
i know its all personal opinions but don't be dissing hard trance now


yes I call them cheese! What I mean is The name hard trance should be wiped out, it should be just be called hard instead of hard trance,this sound doesnt deserve to be classified under trance. The word trance needs to be taken out. The words hard and trance should never be put together!

Sorry i'm too passionate


Posted by Hybrid Junkie on Jun-06-2003 08:16:

quote:
Originally posted by -=M=-
unless it was late night, or under a live set, then yes


NEVER!


Posted by Chuck Norris on Jun-06-2003 09:09:

Flutlicht are barra though Xavier


Posted by Ghostface on Jun-06-2003 10:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Mangler
I cringe at discussions like this. Trance originally got its cheese conotations when progressive became popular (for the short time that it did) & people like Sean Quinn started bagging trance as a way for him & his inaccessible crap to look cool. Trance will border on being cheesy. some of the stuff we listen to has commercial appeal, melody will do that. At the end of the day though, melody is what people remember & is what makes an anthem that you can play 5 years down the track. Sure, there are some really CRAP vocal trance trax, but there are also good ones. A dj's job is to find the good stuff, and most of the ones i know & that are used at 5am are good at doing this.


Yeah I agree. Trance seems like the only genre which has to justify the bad productions. Every genre has it's absolute crap tunes but for some reason everyone likes to highlight the bad trance and label it as cheese as though this rubbish somehow represents the entire trance genre. I have no doubt it's a form of tall poppy syndrome used to counteract the passion all of us tranceaddicts enjoy.


Posted by Philby on Jun-06-2003 15:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Xavier
yes I call them cheese! What I mean is The name hard trance should be wiped out, it should be just be called hard instead of hard trance,this sound doesnt deserve to be classified under trance. The word trance needs to be taken out. The words hard and trance should never be put together!

Sorry i'm too passionate


gee i dunno, maybe its called hard trance because its produced similar to trance except harder??
'southside spinners - luvstruck' is awesome
imo i would hardly call half the stuff u listed cheese...


Posted by escee on Jun-07-2003 03:44:

quote:
Originally posted by -=M=-
unless it was late night, or under a live set, then yes


context of the song does not matter. If tiesto dropped heaven half way through his set it would still be cheese. If i hear saltwater on the irish tourism adverts then its not cheese.


Posted by SoupaFlys on Jun-07-2003 11:54:

gotta agree with mangler there. i think trance has been labelled "cheese" by fans of other genres because it has melody and very often can be easily accessed by the general public. but some artists that simply apply the same set formula to any song ... well then i say cheese. e.g. all these songs come out this year that are just old pop songs, add some synth and trancey sounding sections.. and walla, a new song to release. (time after time, boys of summer, all the scooter crap) You can tell when not much creative effort has been put into them. i think that's cheese personally. on a lighter note.. i love cheese. cheese on toast... macaroni cheese, cheese and crackers... mmmm


Posted by narcism on Jun-08-2003 14:17:

quote:
Originally posted by -=M=-
unless it was late night, or under a live set, then yes

DIE MOFO
HAHAHAH
there is no way chicane- saltwater fits into the cheese catagory
As for u... meh ur definition is stupid


Posted by Xavier on Jun-09-2003 00:44:

theres no doubt saltwater is cheese

14 year old louise across the road blasts that everyday 24/7 non stop.
Its every fuckin hour fol lol the day, I'm like stfu!


Posted by Chuck Norris on Jun-09-2003 00:48:

Maybe you should go pay louise a visit


Posted by -=M=- on Jun-09-2003 00:58:

quote:
Originally posted by InAcoma
DIE MOFO
HAHAHAH
there is no way chicane- saltwater fits into the cheese catagory
As for u... meh ur definition is stupid


pfft

we all have our own opinions
go listen to triple m


Posted by Pointy on Jun-09-2003 05:47:

Well me n da boys decided to go and investigate, what makes cheese? Our trip to my dads uncles wifes daughters boyfriends friend who owns a farm out not far from the city

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind



We arrived that nite, and soon got into party mode, raging all nite!



We were all hungover in the morning, but slowly arose to the midday sun. I went straight for the shitter - an after grog bog was calling. But i didn't make it to the toilet, cos i went through to the door to be greeted by a nasty grizzly angry bear, ready to kill me

I shat my dacks there n then.



After that encounter, we were rounded up n went out to search for the cheese. Our host pointed us in the right direction, and then we started.



We felt sorta awkward, cos the cows knew what was up. They were gettin pissed off too..



By the end of the day, we had finished what we'd started.



So we searched around, and then outta the blue, comes the cheesemongo! He said: "HI!! I'm the cheesemongo!"

I got a photo of him straight away!!



He then handed me a copy of his best tune



And introduced me to his friends.



Posted by Philby on Jun-09-2003 08:27:

quote:
Originally posted by -=M=-
pfft

we all have our own opinions
go listen to triple m


yeah, and your opinion is wrong.


Posted by Chuck Norris on Jun-09-2003 12:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Pointy
Well me n da boys decided to go and investigate, what makes cheese? Our trip to my dads uncles wifes daughters boyfriends friend who owns a farm out not far from the city

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind



We arrived that nite, and soon got into party mode, raging all nite!



We were all hungover in the morning, but slowly arose to the midday sun. I went straight for the shitter - an after grog bog was calling. But i didn't make it to the toilet, cos i went through to the door to be greeted by a nasty grizzly angry bear, ready to kill me

I shat my dacks there n then.



After that encounter, we were rounded up n went out to search for the cheese. Our host pointed us in the right direction, and then we started.



We felt sorta awkward, cos the cows knew what was up. They were gettin pissed off too..



By the end of the day, we had finished what we'd started.



So we searched around, and then outta the blue, comes the cheesemongo! He said: "HI!! I'm the cheesemongo!"

I got a photo of him straight away!!



He then handed me a copy of his best tune



And introduced me to his friends.




Class mate, all class. I'm proud of you highjacking skills; you've learnt well


Posted by Paulie on Jun-09-2003 12:48:

quote:
Originally posted by escee
context of the song does not matter. If tiesto dropped heaven half way through his set it would still be cheese. If i hear saltwater on the irish tourism adverts then its not cheese.


U SHOULD DIE 2 MOFO cause heaven aint cheese

cheese = southern sun vocals on that = Horrendous


Posted by Philby on Jun-10-2003 03:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Euphorica@AUS
U SHOULD DIE 2 MOFO cause heaven aint cheese

cheese = southern sun vocals on that = Horrendous


pfffffffffttt
sif
#6 @ you


Posted by Fiction on Jun-10-2003 07:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Euphorica@AUS
U SHOULD DIE 2 MOFO cause heaven aint cheese

cheese = southern sun vocals on that = Horrendous


Finally someone that agrees with me, the track is shite, the chick seriously sounds like she's in pain or sick....


Posted by escee on Jun-10-2003 09:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Euphorica@AUS
U SHOULD DIE 2 MOFO cause heaven aint cheese

cheese = southern sun vocals on that = Horrendous


hahaha
go eat a dick

we've already had this arguement and southern sun won

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=96596


Posted by -=M=- on Jun-10-2003 09:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Philby
yeah, and your opinion is wrong.


wow, he tells me my opinion is wrong when i say everyone has their different opinions... go figure


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