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Posted by DJPrototypeX on Jul-07-2003 18:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Sir. Lunchalot
You can`t drive an automatic like a manual transmission.




watch me


Posted by 'mju:zik on Jul-07-2003 18:58:

Re: Re: Is it hard to drive a stick shift

quote:
Originally posted by hadi ******
its not to hard, after a while it becomes like automatic, don thave to look at the rpm and shit or think about changing gears


when you are learning you should NEVER look at the RPM...you have to learn how to hear the engine....that way you arn't limited to rpm gages for a long time.


Posted by 'mju:zik on Jul-07-2003 19:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Sir. Lunchalot
Automatic is nice when you`re in a traffic jam. Otherwise driving with a manual transmission is more "sporty". You can`t drive an automatic like a manual transmission.

Lazy=automatic

Sport=manual


automatic = less of a pain when you are fucked!!!

manual = if you are add or have a nice sports car

altho the true test is eating some fungus and going for a long drive


Posted by occrider on Jul-07-2003 19:09:

quote:
Originally posted by 'mju:zik
automatic = less of a pain when you are fucked!!!

manual = if you are add or have a nice sports car

altho the true test is eating some fungus and going for a long drive


If you're too fucked to be able to drive a manual you probably shouldn't be driving. It's like a built in breathalizer test ...


Posted by 'mju:zik on Jul-07-2003 19:18:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
If you're too fucked to be able to drive a manual you probably shouldn't be driving. It's like a built in breathalizer test ...


lol not true... after a few years you can learn how to do it after eating pills or anything else at those fiiiine food restaurants


Posted by Trancender on Jul-07-2003 19:39:

In the beginning it might be a challenge. You'll probably stall a couple of times but once you get enough experience you don't even think about it.+Gets the most outta ur car. When driving manual: You drive the car...it doesn't drive you.

Have fun.


Posted by klingklang77 on Jul-08-2003 00:05:

stick is the only way to go. i learned how to drive stick last year, b/c i had to have this one car. i was taught for a few lessons by a friend and after that i got my car. . at that point i had to learn as i had no choice. prior to this i had been driving automatic for about 8 years. now, i will never ever go back to automatic.
you will get used to it, and the worse that will happen is stalling out. after that it is easy!


Posted by gOOD-tRiP on Jul-08-2003 00:31:

5 Speed for dummies=

Unlike your auto to start the car you need to hold in the clutch while turning the key.

Clutch in = neutral/0% drivetrain lockup (Rev like a ricer here)
(you dont move when in this position)
....

Clutch halfway out = 50% lockup (car creeps forward; engine loses rpm and momentum; give gas to compensate)
....

Clutch out = 100% lockup (fully engaged now you can gun it)

Tip0 = try not to stay between in and out for long cuz u'll wear out your clutch. When you smell something burning that's when you know you have decreased the life of it.

Your left foot controls the 'launch/drivetrain lockup'. The right foot controls gas and brakes. Your right hand controls the stick. Your left hand is on the wheel.

Tip0.5 = when not using the clutch dont be eager about it. Let it rest on the dead pedal. The last thing you want is a leg cramp in traffic. Make it a habit.

Tip1 = never put it in 1st (unless you can rev match) or reverse unless you're completely stopped.

Tip2 = stay calm if you start rockin. Panic/tensing only makes it worst. Just steady on the gas and it should stop. Or you can clutch it and try again, but remember to bring your rpms up a little first.

Tip3 = Gently take your foot away from the clutch. Don't pop it or burn/ride it. Feel where it begins to 'grab' and your rpms start to drop and memorize that point. Raise rpm around 1500, but keep on the gas pedal otherwise you'll stall.

tip4= while going on first, when you are gently releasing the clutch while giving it gas, just because the car starts moving doesnt mean you can let go of the clutch completely. This is the main reason people stall.

You must 'sychronize' your rpm to your speed depending on what gear. Driving like a granny would be 10mph per gear, but that should provide smoothness for a noob. Between gears gently let the clutch out and make sure you have fully put it in gear before letting it out; therefore, you wont grind. You will probably find it gets easier and smoother as you get up the gears. That's normal. The hardest part about 5spds is at stops and slow speeds.

here's a basic guideline for gears when learning
10mph - 1st
20mph - 2nd
30mph - 3rd
40mph - 4th
60+mph - 5th

Between shifts, let off the gas mostly like 90%. But dont take your foot away. Get ready to get back on it as soon as you switch gears and let the clutch out. Almost simultaneously but not.

Tip5 = avoid hills at all costs Use ebrake if necessary. Heel toe if you know how (might be difficult with stock pedals). Invest in a line lock =P

When stopping to a complete stop hold in the clutch and use the brakes. You can also shift to neutral and then let the clutch go while using the brakes. It's all interchangable. Remember it takes two pedals to come to a complete stop.

If you dont come to a complete stop refer to the shift-mph guidelines above (dont use first gear in motion tho thats the exception). Blip the gas to around 2500-3000rpm (approx for these estimated guidelines; it's better to overshoot by a little) before letting the clutch out so u wont go hard on your tranny.
If you arent coming to a complete stop then you dont have to clutch it just downshift after slowing down.

DO NOT:
Miss a shift
Put it in 1st or reverse while in motion
try to shift without pressing in the clutch
force gears
press the clutch half a$$ed. This is how most people wear their clutch out cuz they dont fully press it in when stopped in traffic etc. Press that pedal down all the way and firmly.

DO:
ADJUST THE CLUTCH WHEN FIRST LEARNING
(IT MAKES IT A HELLA LOT EASIER, ASK ANYONE)
PRACTICE
PRACTICE
PRACTICE

Good Luck

from http://www.g2ic.com/


Posted by jdat on Jul-08-2003 00:32:

it's easier to get speeding tickets with manuals .... well that's really just a question of opinion

But I have a tendency of flooring it whenever I drive manual so I can get to the 5th gear right away and I don't like wasting time on the road.

oh and if you're gonna get a piece of junk car I suggest getting it manual like that you'll feel more "powerful" with it compared to if you were driving an automatic.


Posted by Drifter on Jul-08-2003 05:19:

quote:
Originally posted by gOOD-tRiP
Tip5 = avoid hills at all costs Use ebrake if necessary. Heel toe if you know how (might be difficult with stock pedals). Invest in a line lock =P


heel toe is good for hills but once you find the friction point of the clutch your car won't roll back and you won't need to use heel toe...btw when i shift gears i don't look at my car's speed but rather my engine speed, but this method takes rather getting use to and is definately not recommended when just learning to drive a cog swapper

the hardest part to drive a manual is just learning clutch control...but once thats mastered its so much more fun driving


Posted by Orbax on Jul-08-2003 05:33:

for those of you who posted SPEEDS with the gears...LOL!!!

its all about gear ratios. I drive a 6 speed.


1st-40 mph
2nd-70 mph
3rd-95 mph
4th-120 mph
5th-135 mph
6th- crusin past 70 mph


its about RPMs really. cruising is a little less than halfway to redline with a shift 1/3 below, approx


Posted by hrach on Jul-08-2003 05:39:

stick is the only way to go....it brings you closer to the machine. I used to drive a cbr until it got stolen a couple months ago...man I have cravings for it now. Yes, I'm an addict =)


Posted by Warez Guy on Jul-08-2003 05:46:

It's only hard the first few times when you're learning it. After that it's really fun to drive. Auto is too boring.


Posted by Inertia on Jul-08-2003 08:44:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
0-15 km/h = 1st gear
15-35 km/h = 2nd gear
35-70 km/h = 3rd gear
70-110 km/h = 4th gear
110+ = 5th gear

after a while u'll "hear" it too..u..unless u dont have your speakers blasting the newest armin set


emm, you sure about that? doesnt apply to all cars you know...

a 1995 Dauer Porsche 962 LeMans can do 110 in 1st gear

seriously though, knowing when to shift is simple, youll hear
it after a while, but you can just take a peek at your tachometer,
(gauge that shows the revs), THATS WHAT ITS THERE FOR.

just dont go over the red line (thats what they call "redlining" )

i learned to stickshift when i was 14 in half an hour. and people,
stop that 'automatic is for wimps' shit... my father has been driving
since forever, racing as a hobby on a professional level since he
was 15, won the national kart championship 7 times, (yes, there
are racing karts with gears) has raced Formula Arcobaleno 5 times,
which he won 4 of, has built himself 5 race cars over the years,
and owns the representative of germany's Bosch GmbH in this country,
the man KNOWS HIS CARS.

when he was like 12 he said 'im never ever gonna have an automatic'.
now he's 46 and says 'i mustve been fucking out of my mind.

id like to see ANYONE stuck in traffic for 2 hours and still be
happy wih your stickshift. sure, im 100% for shifters, but its
a pain in the ass sometimes. although, EVERYONE SHOULD FUCKING
LEARN TO DRIVE A STICK or they shouldnt be given a licence.
what if an emergency happens, you gotta drive someone to the
hospital, and theirs only a stick available? sticks are a lot
sportier, and consume slightly less.

driving a stick is easy, and everyone should know how to do it,
but at the end of they day, its a question of commodity.


Posted by diffusion on Jul-08-2003 09:34:

You really need to know how to drive a manual gear shift.

Automatic is very simple, but what happens when you have to drive a car in, say, an an emergency. Move a car in a crash or something like that, and you're the only one who is in the possition to do it.

Or let's say you are in the southern america, and some guerilla has captured you. Your only way out is if you run all you can through the prison camp, and jump into that Toyota Pickup and drive the hell out of there... To bad then if you don't know manual shift!

Manual gear, the key to freedom.


Posted by Paula on Jul-08-2003 13:06:

It is useful to learn stick, like the numerous amounts of people before me have said. I like automatic because I don't have to concentrate on anything else, but that;s only because I'm 16 and haven't been driving long.

Mmm. this has nothing to do with anything but coming home from NJ we were driving on this road and there was this car for sale.looked alright...
1987 thunderbird coupe
in good shape
GOOD looking speakers
new brakes and tires
STICK SHIFT
$1950
If I had the money I'd have bought it


Posted by whiskers on Jul-08-2003 14:05:

stick shift: costs less & consumes less fuel

you know what would rule? owning one of those BMWs that have both automatic and stick shift, although it costs like 5 grand more. but that way you could rock in traffic and rock on the highway


Posted by kiddiejon on Jul-08-2003 14:15:

lol wtf..

Over here in England you're considered a spasitc if you drive an automatic, either that or you're over 90 years old. I thought the value of auto's depriciate (?) soo quickly.

[edit - lmao, i spelt spastic wrong]


Posted by diffusion on Jul-08-2003 21:59:

I guess to know how to shift manual gears, is kinda like swimming.


Posted by Orbax on Jul-09-2003 00:47:

hehe when i was in highschool i was in an autodetailing class senior year, and one of the teachers had an 02 cobra, yellow...stick. I drove a 1965 rover at the time, you have to double clutch that thing and when that broke down i drove a 67 camero, also stick. So the teacher says to me, go park it, cuz you are the only one who can drive it.......MUAHAHHAHAHAHHA

i came back like half an hour later all grinning and shit, but my teacher just laughed cuz he was fuckin awesome.


Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Jul-09-2003 03:43:

quote:
Originally posted by gOOD-tRiP
from http://www.g2ic.com/


g2ic eh? You got a 'teg? I'm a member of that site


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