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Re: Re: DJs: Ever get bored of simply beat matching?

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Originally posted by Jah and chookie trance is so much more easier to mix then house man, listen to someone like derrick carter, or sanchez listen to what there doing and tell me thats easier then a tiesto spinback...

Well I find mixing house easier than trance, and I'm not talking about all the technical stuff Sanchez etc do, I'm talking about basic mixing and using an efects unit.

and btw, does everyone know that I'm a chick??

I think that when mixing with trance, there is much more of a fine line, as trance tracks vary so much in their eqs. Being able beatmatch is one thing, but being able to master the setting of the eq's depending on what trance you are mixing is what makes perfection.

Whether to mix in only the hi hats first, or the bass, or a mixture of both, depending on the sound of the 2 records is much more of a subtle skill, that makes a hell lot of difference, when trying to achieve that seemless mix.

Of course, you always have to deal with track selection, and also the length of the mix....I love those fast transitions, from one uplifting tune to the next, when a set is in peak time. PUMPING

I do also agree that it can be boring sometimes mixing trance, just after the point where you have got the 2 records beatmatched, and have adjusted the eq's to their right frequency. Have to play the waiting game... there's only so much you can do with trance.

That's why prog and psy is becoming more appealing to mix. The only problem for me is finding some good tune in those genre's...any good suggestions?

I can't believe you find it boring...think further than track selection, programming and mixing skills... It's all about the 'journey'....taking people on a journey is what 'trance' is all about.....setting them high and giving them the best feeling through the use of maticulous track selection, use of eq's and even effects (echo, delay and others). That's why Tiesto does so well (IMO) as a DJ as he doesn't restrict himself to one style or genre, he plays various and makes them flow well together. You can change the sound of a track and a set completely when you become one with your music....you can feel all the emotion expressed through the productions and reflect that onto the punters.....I guess I have a deep and emotional attachment to my music. DJing progressive house 'fully' (some prog house is good but prog trance is what I love) will not suit my current tastes....as they say, it's not for everyone but as I mature, my tastes do as well....you never know what I'll be playing next.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikkaa

I think that when mixing with trance, there is much more of a fine line, as trance tracks vary so much in their eqs. Being able beatmatch is one thing, but being able to master the setting of the eq's depending on what trance you are mixing is what makes perfection.

Whether to mix in only the hi hats first, or the bass, or a mixture of both, depending on the sound of the 2 records is much more of a subtle skill, that makes a hell lot of difference, when trying to achieve that seemless mix.[QUOTE]

Mikka, couldnt agree more. The EG's are the key to trance. I think mixing different styles helps as well. Thats what I respect about Tiesto so much, the fact that he plays a bit of everything (trance, techno, few breaks mixes of trance tunes etc) I think this changes the pattern of his music and makes his sets that much more enjoyable. Armin is an awesome dj but I think lacks this ability at times and tends to play the same sound (as witnessed in his Melb set earlier this year). Just an opinon though, I dont want to start a huge argument about whose better as they are both in my opinon the worlds best in their genre.

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Originally posted by christos I can't believe you find it boring...think further than track selection, programming and mixing skills.

Maybe i shouldn't have used the word boring. Don't get me wrong, atm uplifting trance is still my favorite genre of music to listen to by far. However, talking mixing wise, I feel that at times, trance can be a little limiting to the amount of tricks and effects you can do.

In terms of layering multiple tracks together, using kill switches, scratching to a certain extent and the trick you see with those DJ's who compete in those Battle mix competitions, there is just so much more to DJing that I feel mixing trance unfortunately does not bring.

That's why i think many people turn to other genre's, which makes it that more bit interesting.

"armin lacks the ability some times"

i dont agree at all with that.

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Originally posted by julianreynolds Thats what I respect about Tiesto so much, the fact that he plays a bit of everything (trance, techno, few breaks mixes of trance tunes etc) I think this changes the pattern of his music and makes his sets that much more enjoyable. Armin is an awesome dj but I think lacks this ability at times and tends to play the same sound (as witnessed in his Melb set earlier this year). Just an opinon though, I dont want to start a huge argument about whose better as they are both in my opinon the worlds best in their genre.

Totally agree with you there. At first like many, I was a bit disappointed with the direction Tiesto was taking.. but now after gaining a wider appreciation of electronic music in general I now understand and apprecitate what Tiesto is trying to do. Someone who is not affraid to transend genre's...total respect to that!!!

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Originally posted by mikkaa That's why prog and psy is becoming more appealing to mix. The only problem for me is finding some good tune in those genre's...any good suggestions?

http://www.progressive-sounds.com/
http://www.progaddict.com/

mr 00 fleming's ur man, for a mine example of the incorporation of both.

mm. key matching, yes makes things smoother, but you also can't use it to look at just from transition to transition. take into account the whole. it's only predictable if you stay in one key, but if you're jumping all over the scale its great! it sets mood. mood mood mood mood mood, which of course is a great factor in setting that journey which ur listener is to embark.

anyway, escee, since ur in the bedroom, why bother waiting, once u have them matched, either head ur needle towards where ur to mix it, or mix right after the first break down. not too much waiting space there, but then again, i take yonks to beat match

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In terms of layering multiple tracks together, using kill switches, scratching to a certain extent and the trick you see with those DJ's who compete in those Battle mix competitions, there is just so much more to DJing that I feel mixing trance unfortunately does not bring.

Agreed.....It all comes down to YOUR objectives, what YOU want to accomplish as a DJ/artist....

Yeah agree with some of what has been said above...
start working on tricks- scratching, spinbacks, deadstops, juggling etc etc...I have got a few of em down but have been to chicken to try em out...although I did give a few a go at Viper the other week...
Watching Solos the other night made me realise that you dont have to do the whole progressive mixing for a journey thing...Slamming a new beat in at the end of a track sounds can sound real cool...and some tracks sound real cool when the buildup/breakdown has kickdrums inserted into them

Solos owns your soul ^^^^

Even though most of you despise it (hiphop, dnb), for the Melbourne goons, go to the HiFi bar on Thursday 24th of July to the state finals of the DMC Champs. Watch the shit they pull out on two decks and a mixer Might give ya a bit of inspiration.

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Originally posted by Sharpy Solos owns your soul ^^^^

sad innit


and pointy I gotta agree with ya..I went the the DMC showcase thing at the Laundry last year and fark these guys will Blow you away

get an efx machine, fuck with the eq's a bit learn to scratch, learn to juggle just try different shit. there is so much stuff you can do in your sets its not funny. just fuck around learn new things. im slowly learning to juggle and i tend to have a bit of fun with my efx machine. either that or just start producing

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Originally posted by euphoric dream either that or just start producing

happy hardcore?? heheheeh

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Originally posted by euphoric dream get an efx machine, fuck with the eq's a bit learn to scratch, learn to juggle just try different shit. there is so much stuff you can do in your sets its not funny. just fuck around learn new things. im slowly learning to juggle and i tend to have a bit of fun with my efx machine. either that or just start producing

i apologise in advance for being such a dumbass but me thinks you're not talking about circus juggling... what do you mean "juggling"?

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Originally posted by jizza what do you mean "juggling"?

throwing three records into the air and continously catching them and throwing them so there is always one in the air.

kind of like you do with eggs or balls, but with vinyl.

djs do this cos it looks cool, the crowd loves it.

julian reynolds almost has the hang of it, but it's normally 1 record and it doesn't usually leave his hand. it kinda just gets pumped a few times in the air without making lift off.

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Originally posted by Hybrid Junkie happy hardcore?? heheheeh

ey that was a cool tune, not bad for 30 mins work i think .
*cough*gimp*cough*

yes juggling 3 records is a cool thing to do but i was talking about getting two of the same records and..bah to hard to explain. watch one of those dmc championship videos etc youll get the pic. its fuckin hard to learn as well meh but fuck if you do it and do it well it sounds cool.

Juggling, shit, i know what it is, but I have no idea how to describe it - but i'll try. Get two of the same records, gotta be broken beat (hiphop, dnb) so trance wont really work. So yea, both records on each deck, then line em up at different intervals, most djs will put a lil sticker on the record at an exact point to act as a marker to base themselves off - as you will be pullin a record back to a certain point, whether it be a beat or a snare or whatever, to cut to it for a split second. What happens is you just cut from each record with a high level of style to make a whole new tune, when watching the pros, they slam the crossfader from side to side so quickly it just aint funny, in fact, its rediculous. Try and find Klevers DMC 2001 vid on one of the P2P networks, or DJ Samurai (aussie dj). Both sick vids.

Jizz, next time ur on IRC i'll send you a 6meg vid of nando vs smbdy, just a 1minute a piece battle. pretty sick, you'll then know what beat jugglin is

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