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Originally posted by Arbiter I also don't agree with the original poster. In many societies past and present girls at a very young age were married to men 30 or more years older than them. Evidence suggests that these relationships were more stable than modern relationships between people of similar age. It follows that age difference alone does not doom a relationship.

i dont think those relationsips had to do with the age difference so much as that the roles of each partner in the relationship were more defined: the woman did what the man directed. it doesnt work that way anymore.

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Originally posted by butterfly i dont think those relationsips had to do with the age difference so much as that the roles of each partner in the relationship were more defined: the woman did what the man directed. it doesnt work that way anymore.

There is a lot of truth to what you say, and I think you've managed to cut straight to the real issue here. The expectations that each person who enters into the relationship holds are more likely to be widely varied or incompatible when the people are of drastically different ages in our society. It is this gap, not the age gap per se, which really makes these relationships often fail eventually.

it all depends on the situation...if both are adults, then ppl. usually dont give (as much of) a fuck...like if the woman is 30 and the guy is 40, ppl. will usually be alot easier on them than if the guy is 25 and the girl 15

guess its the whole "women crave confidence, security " blah blah blah thing

when all else fails, don't underestimate Miss Palmer and her five sisters...

I really don't get it,
My mum has told me men never mature...so why do women go for men that are mature

Hehehe

Girls are just as immature. The girls who go out with lads older, where i live, well they're usually boy races, live on benifit or a dead end job and are nobs. They believe they're getting security, pff!! whatever. Girls just want to grow up quicker than what they should do, becuase society throws at them images of pop stars wearing sexy clothes and talking about their sex lives, girls get this idea in their head that they must do the same, then they dress sexier, look older, and bang, you got the problem! If you want an example of this, just go to a primary school on a no-uniform day....lads are wearing sports clothes in year 6 (10-11 yr olds) and girls are wearing more older clothing, like mini skirts.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH when all else fails, don't underestimate Miss Palmer and her five sisters...

LOL thats funny. Ive heard miss palmer before but not the five sisters. Hahah

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Originally posted by cassiopeia I am 16 & my boyfriend of almost a year is 21. I know he doesn't fall into the 25-30 age group, but I thought i'd post anyway :P Every guy I have ever had something with has been older than me. Here is my reason why: I apologise for generalising but in the area I am from every 16 year old boy is like this: "yO biTCh! i'M gOiNg to QBH tONiGhT & i'M weAriNg maH fAke fuBu n DaDa i BouGhT fRoM viCToRiA mArKeT yO. aNd u BeTTa wAtCh yO bAcK hOmEz cOz Me n Mah BoyZ wiLL BuSt yO aSs cOz iM tOo MuCh oF a wiMp tO dO iT mYSeLf. CHaT tO mE oN iRc mY NiCk iS No|LiMiT|SoLDiEr. Ja RuLe iS my iDoL yo." Sorry but they do not interest me at all. Older guys have usually grown out of this "stage" and thus are much more appealing!

/* rant begins

makes a lot of sense, but it really pisses us off when
a girl would rather date an older guy who 'grew out'
of such a stage to a younger one who never entered it.
sure, there arent many of us, but its about that whole
understanding of female deal, you want security, you
want maturity, etc that no one your age has, when one
of your age does just happen to meet the requirements,
"err, he's not my type". women will be our end i tell
you. and as someone already mentioned, it has a lot to
do with the time periods. 13y/o female with 18y/o male
is a very big difference, but 25y/o female with 30y/o
male isnt.

i understand that no one should be up in your business,
but if i started dating a girl 5 years younger, i'd
expect getting bashed for it. if it's really worth it,
i wouldnt complain about it.

take for example this girl that was in my class. when
she was 14, she had a 19y/o boyfriend, that was pretty
much a thug like the ones you describe, and of course,
she denied it to the fullest extent. he is mature, he
is this, bla bla bla. god, us young, mature, smart,
sensitive, witty, interesting, fun loving, clever,
AVAILABLE guys dont have any chance do we?

ran ends * \

EDIT: and another thing. MEN NEVER MATURE/CHANGE/LEARN.
we just sort of evolve. instead of going over to a chick
we want to get with and saying 'fancy a fuck?', once a man
evolves, he would go and seduce her in the maturest, most
stylish way. women would find that fascinating, yet all
that process was his evolved way of saying "fancy a fuck?".
anyone understanding what i mean? dont give us that crap
that your bf is the best bla bla bla, he just learned
to masquerade that "fancy a fuck?" REALLY well.

ok, rant ends **\\

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Originally posted by occrider Your sister? Haha don't lie, we see you leering at her in pics.

oh man your going to far with that! thats way to far i cant belive you said that! you went to far and that is uncalled for!

- everyone knows his sister is really 10

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Originally posted by CynepMeH when all else fails, don't underestimate Miss Palmer and her five sisters...

or what about mrs palm and her five lovely daughters?

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Originally posted by Inertia /* rant begins makes a lot of sense, but it really pisses us off when a girl would rather date an older guy who 'grew out' of such a stage to a younger one who never entered it. sure, there arent many of us, but its about that whole understanding of female deal, you want security, you want maturity, etc that no one your age has, when one of your age does just happen to meet the requirements, "err, he's not my type". women will be our end i tell you. and as someone already mentioned, it has a lot to do with the time periods. 13y/o female with 18y/o male is a very big difference, but 25y/o female with 30y/o male isnt. i understand that no one should be up in your business, but if i started dating a girl 5 years younger, i'd expect getting bashed for it. if it's really worth it, i wouldnt complain about it. take for example this girl that was in my class. when she was 14, she had a 19y/o boyfriend, that was pretty much a thug like the ones you describe, and of course, she denied it to the fullest extent. he is mature, he is this, bla bla bla. god, us young, mature, smart, sensitive, witty, interesting, fun loving, clever, AVAILABLE guys dont have any chance do we? ran ends * \ EDIT: and another thing. MEN NEVER MATURE/CHANGE/LEARN. we just sort of evolve. instead of going over to a chick we want to get with and saying 'fancy a fuck?', once a man evolves, he would go and seduce her in the maturest, most stylish way. women would find that fascinating, yet all that process was his evolved way of saying "fancy a fuck?". anyone understanding what i mean? dont give us that crap that your bf is the best bla bla bla, he just learned to masquerade that "fancy a fuck?" REALLY well. ok, rant ends **\\

Oh man, I feel so strong about this issue as well,
I'm 18, most girls I know are dating 25 year olds because they simply think they're more 'mature' than the rest of us... It's stupid & ridiculous. I totally agree with this guy's post, just read it....

PLUS

Girls have sex at a younger age than guys due to this same problem...
I'm not saying there should be a balance but I am stating that it's a problem within a problem, let's take it a step at a time shall we??

And please, if you're under 19 and dating guys 20+... I think it's you girls who arn't mature.

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Originally posted by joeh152 - everyone knows his sister is really 10

Pffffffft! Like guys remember their girlfriend's birthdays anyway.

Edit: Btw what happened to the official flame thread? There was good stuff in there.

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Originally posted by Clyde77 DaveSaenz loves to go out with 13 year olds.!

Ahaha. You're certainly a playa Clyde. I just checked my email.

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Originally posted by Provitex And please, if you're under 19 and dating guys 20+... I think it's you girls who arn't mature.

That's ridiculous. So you are saying an 18 year old with a 21 year old is bad? Three years is nothing at all! I don't think something magically changes once you hit 19 or 20. I think it is all based on the maturity levels of the two individuals.

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Originally posted by bettsy #cassiopeia Girls need to realize one thing and stop being naive (dont know if you belong in that category but here it goes). Usually when a guy is nice to you, being understanding and so on, he wants to get inside your pants. The difference between young and old men are that the later have more skills in the art of missleading girls. Of course, if you ask your boyfriend if this is the case, he will answere no. Well thats bullshit pretty much, although its sympathetic bullshit.

99.999% of the time: agreed

finding a genuinely nice guy is rare. guys can go on forever about how girls are bitches but men can be pure assholes too, a lot of them are users who just want one thing: BANG BANG BANG (my own brother being one of them )

I think there isn't really a mathematical limit to what should be an acceptable difference and what not. People just should have good sense about it. The older you are, bigger age differences are supportable. Now about 25 dudes dating 17 years old or so, I think that's fucking wrong. Totally feel your pain dude.

Now talking a bit about myself and my personal situation adapted to the problem (I hope you don't mind, heh ): the possible solution is turn to younger girls too (not TOO young, again good sense comes in handy). I'm 17 and previously I used to go after girls with same age, or 1 year difference now I'm more after girls who are 14/15. They're not mature at all, apart for some rare exceptions, but they are expecting older dudes because they think they're mature . So, to sum it up, take advantage yourself too of the situation (but never on extreme situations like the ones you mentioned, that's just fucking wrong). It's like, you won't get the mature girl you want, but the world isn't perfect. Finding the girl of your dreams is something VERY hard these days.

lol!!

No offense to anybody... ^^^^^^^

But, if you're a guy in the 18's (or 17's ) don't tell us you go for younger girls!! lol...seriously! Now THAT'S wrong! 14?!??!?!?? C'mon dude...!!





lol...anyways........omg, i'd kill myself the day I'm in university and I find myself dating a girl in highschool...Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by Provitex lol!! No offense to anybody... ^^^^^^^ But, if you're a guy in the 18's (or 17's ) don't tell us you go for younger girls!! lol...seriously! Now THAT'S wrong! 14?!??!?!?? C'mon dude...!!

I won't take it as an offence

just that most 16/17 girls around here are dating older guys like 19,20.. and the ones that aren't dating older guys are just worthless anyway. Also being the kind of guy that hardly gets any chick doesn't help much.

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lol...anyways........omg, i'd kill myself the day I'm in university and I find myself dating a girl in highschool...Pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!

before I make any retarded comments about that quote, there in english countries you have highschool -> college -> university right?

btw, how old are you?

English countries..lol!
ummm... You finish highschool at gr 12, (18 years old) and move on to either College, or University depending on what you wana do and/or your average in highschool.

I'm 18, and have never dated a younger girl

here is why 18-21 is a HUGE jump while a 50 year old and a 53 year old would be totally fine

EXPERIENCES

Colleges, clubs, travels, number of people met, jobs, careers, loves, EVERYTHING. at that age so much shit is happening that in 1 year you are a different person. every year you change, grow, mature. at 35 you are probably pretty settled and been through the same shit most others have. stick to your age. for anyone under 21 your cap is 20. Dont date over 20. at 21 jumps to like 23.

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Originally posted by Orbax here is why 18-21 is a HUGE jump while a 50 year old and a 53 year old would be totally fine EXPERIENCES Colleges, clubs, travels, number of people met, jobs, careers, loves, EVERYTHING. at that age so much shit is happening that in 1 year you are a different person. every year you change, grow, mature. at 35 you are probably pretty settled and been through the same shit most others have. stick to your age. for anyone under 21 your cap is 20. Dont date over 20. at 21 jumps to like 23.

That's true...

Just like an infant with a 3 year old...

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Originally posted by Provitex English countries..lol! ummm... You finish highschool at gr 12, (18 years old) and move on to either College, or University depending on what you wana do and/or your average in highschool. I'm 18, and have never dated a younger girl

then I dunno what's so bad in being in university and dating an highschool girl, there could be just one year of difference. it ain't pathetic at all! consider yourself lucky for getting girls of your age, either in your zone girls have brains, or your just one of those popular dudes that the girls consider to be mature.

i seem to strongly disagree with your opinions, my opinion is that around our ages, a normal relationship would be a guy dating a girl of his age or till 2 years younger. 3 years is a bit harder to work, but it is aceptable. like dating an older girl, it hardly works, but it is aceptable.

If you're dating a girl in hs a year or two younger than you and you go off to college, that's ok. If you're in college (let's say even post freshman) and you start dating a girl in hs, then you have serious problems.

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Originally posted by cassiopeia I understand that most guys just want to get into my pants. But has it happened? No. Will it happen anytime soon? No. My boyfriend & I have been together for 11 months. If he just wanted to have sex wouldn't he have left me by now? I'm not that special to wait around for. He knows if it is ever going to happen it won't be for a long time. Right now I don't think it will till i'm married. *sorry if that is too much information* I don't avoid all guys my age. It's just I never seem to meet any that I like enough to be with. I feel more comfortable around older guys, but that goes back to problems I have with myself. It isn't about maturity. I don't find myself to be more mature than other people my age. And when you all say security, do you mean financial? Because i'm not looking for that either. I prefer to pay for things myself, rather than have someone else pay. The type of guys who live around here are the type that get bagged out so much on this forum. I'm not saying I am above them because i'm not, they just don't interest me.

I was gonna tell you to keep thinking that (& tricking yourself) until I saw you were greek! lol... Yup, you speak of the truth babes!

I have a few buddies who are into going after younger chicks. I always kill em about it because I think its sad. They're 20 and going after 16-17. Like someone said there's a major difference during those ages. It was bad though last year one my friends who was 19 at the time was talking to someone who was 13! He said she looked 16...needless to say I couldn't be associated with him while he was seeing her.

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Originally posted by occrider If you're in college (let's say even post freshman) and you start dating a girl in hs, then you have serious problems.

My point exactly!

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