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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 hopefully there'll never be a year of prog...i wouldn't want to sleep through a year

one day your musical tastes will mature, one day

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Originally posted by j�c� one day your musical tastes will mature, one day

Not everything ends in progressive you know

Personally I think it's been a good year for Techno, definitely here, most of the UKTAs were looking forward to seeing techno DJs play @ Global Gathering, and the scene is changing lots, like so imo

Trance - as good a year as 1999 nearly production wise, DJ wise some of the bigger names are being outplayed in sets by guys like goldenscan & Misja & Jon O'Bir etc

Prog - Don't like it so won't comment on it, but I don't see how it's 'so good' like a lot of ppl make out

Hard House - Getting a lot trancier, the 'Hard Dance' is a genre that imo isn't too bad, i know some ppl don't like it but it's good & energetic imo, events like frantic, sunny-d & tidy are full of ppl with better PLUR than most, ppl could learn a lot from them

Hardstyle - A bit stagnant, needs new ideas, as does Hard Trance, ppl playing out the same sound & fx, and have to evolve.

Hardcore - Not Happy but the Dutch stuff is getting big, more events playing it, and it's getting more of a cult following again, can see it being big in 2004 for sure

House - Not my thing but i think it's big with its own followers as always, consistent too in sales, just a shame it's not too much my taste.

Tech Trance - Probably more trancey than techy but i'm really digging marco v this year, klitzing isn't releasing as much sadly, maybe a lot more to come soon under new guises

that's all my opinion, so don't flame for it, but I think all styles are strong in their own ways

2003 is the year of the unnecessary argument.

2003 was the year I had my biggest shit

From a personal point of view, I find it impossible to associate a year with a certain genre of Electronic Music. I find that there's never actually been "the definitive year of trance" or any other style for that matter that everyone could agree on. While it may have been more commercially dominant in some years than others, it's always there in some way or another, be it commercially successful or "underground". The whole "Year Of XXXXX genre" thing in my opinion, is just something invented by the media when MOS and the likes release a million compilations. In 1999 it was Trance, towards Summer 2000 (at least in the UK) they tried to make it UK Garage which never took off (thankfully), then towards the end of 2000 it was UK Hard House. While many people hold their opinion that 1999 was the best year for trance, I'd have to say for my tastes, 1997 was the best year, although it never seems to be considered a "big" year. The whole media outcry of a certain genre seems to have kinda dissapeared for the time being, now the UK is flooded with awful crap such as these "Clubland" compilations full of lots of god awful Flip & Fill and Jan Wayne 80's covers.

In conclusion, a style is always there and never goes away no matter how much it begins to lack public appeal, so no year is really the year of anything in my opinion.

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Originally posted by aloep From a personal point of view,... ...

very nicely put it there! That's exactly what i've been thinking as well. A year of xxxx is only a matter of opinion and personal taste, not necessarily everyone agree with that. My fav year of trance is either 1997 or even 1995.

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Originally posted by GrimReaper very nicely put it there! That's exactly what i've been thinking as well. A year of xxxx is only a matter of opinion and personal taste, not necessarily everyone agree with that. My fav year of trance is either 1997 or even 1995.

I think a reason I respect u & Aloep so much though, u've both been into music for as long if not longer than me, and even tho we'd disagree a lot i bet on the paths we've taken through 'dance' music, it's good to look back properly, some ppl now seem to forget it's been going on from before 99 or before 2000 or 01 or 02 etc, and not look at the bigger picture, and styles do change, evolve, we should appreciate it all

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Originally posted by Ian^ I think a reason I respect u & Aloep so much though, u've both been into music for as long if not longer than me, and even tho we'd disagree a lot i bet on the paths we've taken through 'dance' music, it's good to look back properly, some ppl now seem to forget it's been going on from before 99 or before 2000 or 01 or 02 etc, and not look at the bigger picture, and styles do change, evolve, we should appreciate it all

I agree with your opinions here. I'm also glad you're one of us who understands the whole thing better than most TAs seem to do and not just narrow your points to one style and say: "This other genre and year sucks. Especially if some others share my opinions it really must be sooo bad".

I've been into electronic music for about 17 years now, heard my first electronic tune when i was 8.. And over the years i've seen the genres changed at least 3 times. What was techno back in early 90s, is more like trance today and so on.

My taste has changed alot too. I did like happy hardcore and hardcore in early/mid 90s (Dune, Scooter, etc.) and i still do listen some of the tunes of that genre just to bring back the nice memories, but not too often anyway. I have never really liked the "real" hard bangin techno, nor hard house or anything else with hard in it. Just no my cup of tea. I'm more of the smoother style, like Chicane, BT, etc..

Progressive (James Holden, Markus Schulz, some Nalin & Kane, etc.) has grown on me over the past 4-5 years or so and nowadays i love it. But IMO 2003 still isn't a year of progressive even if there has been several great releases. Don't like to put the genres like this in their own years. They have changed as i said. If i say a year of trance was xxxx, maybe ten years later something labeled as the same genre sounds something so different it's hard to say was that really the year of trance because now the same genre sounds so much better too.

Also house (my fav is housy tune is Jean-Jacques Smoothie - 2 People (Mirwais Extended Mix)) and deep house or whatever it is (Circulation, etc.) have become styles i like alot, depending on my moods.

Usually i can go with breakz, d'n'b, prog, house, deep house, trance (not the recent uplifting though, it sounds too boring to me, too similar with each other), prog trance and i seem to like some Picotto stuff also even if most of his tunes are quite bangin. They just have that little thing for me.

Yeah, I've been into stuff since about 92 properly, aged 10/11, was mainly cheesey stuff, old skool etc, and I think it's good that I can look back ,and appreciate it all more, which I manage to do, and love doing now, the sophistication etc on tracks 10 years ago shows me that dance music has been strong, and has evolved a lot, and people now will see that maybe in 5-10 years time, I've bashed genres before, tho usually it's the people who call that genre the best ever etc, and doesn't get that people could not like that genre, cos it just doesn't suit their taste, they take it personally and flame you, and it's a bit silly

yeah but the media seems to jump on anything

98 and 99 - year of trance
2000 - hard house
2001 - progressive
2002 - electro

frankly I don't give a shit what the media bigups as the next or the year of....because i don't care. I'll continue listening to the stuff that I enjoy listening to (in order of liking)

trance, breaks, techno, tech-house, ambiant....and so on

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Originally posted by GrimReaper They have changed as i said. If i say a year of trance was xxxx, maybe ten years later something labeled as the same genre sounds something so different it's hard to say was that really the year of trance because now the same genre sounds so much better too.

Yeah, that's very true. Overall genre classifications change significantly over the years. For example, a track like Dekkard - Incarnate was classed as progressive house back in 1996, listen to it now and it's much closer to "Uplifting" than what most of us know as progressive house now. Which is the soul reason why I prefer to label tracks by the name which I think suits them best, and find it pretty pointless to see people arguing over genre classifications as IMO there's no universal rule of what is what, and no genre is better than another as it's all a matter of personal taste, so therefore "elitism" is about as pointless as you'll ever get.

I started out listening back in Summer 1993, when I got a cassette off my cousin with a lot of early German trance. Didn't have a clue what it was called then, being so young and knowing so little about music, I only thought of it as "Techno" or "Dance Music". I liked it very much though, and it wasn't till late 1994 when I happened to be browsing the electronic section of a shop and decided to take a listen to a Cosmic Baby album that I actually finally managed to put the name of an artist to what I had been listening to. I then picked up a compilation in early 1995 called "Logic Trance 2" which had many of the tracks I had heard on that original cassette including tracks by L.S.G, Cosmic Baby and the likes and many Eye-Q and Harthouse tracks. Now that I had the name "trance" to go on, it gave me the chance to search for much more of this stuff. In April 1995 I heard ther classic "Not Over Yet" by Grace, which was the start of my neverneding passion for mid 90's Brittish trance. I bought many compilations, listened to Radio shows and bought stuff down by trial and error of artist/remix names. Something was more fun about that than having the net to do it all for me now, but it was also annoying as hell when there was error, and there was a LOT. Since then, I've ended up listening to virtually all styles of electronic music, although the 90's Brittish trance/progressive house is the style that really stands out for me. I still wonder to this day, if it hadn't been for the early German trance, would I have enjoyed the Grace track the way I did? Mmmm, guess I'll never know.

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Originally posted by j�c� one day your musical tastes will mature, one day

hopefully one day you will mature and realize prog isn't the "next" step over trance...prog and trance are two completely different genres and i will always stick to trance and prog will never interest me...don't give me that "once you mature you'll like prog" bullshit...dickwad











P.S. Prog sucks

wow.. glad this went from a simple "your music sucks and this is king" thread into an insiteful, somewhat more thought provoking one. I have a lot less to offer having been following this scene for a lot shorter time (2 years maybe). Being in a very much more hip-hop/pop region of the US though has made me appreciate the music more than the elitist crowd, I think, and made me more open to more ideas. About all we really got here back when I first heard any electronic music limited me mainly to pop-techno/trance/house tunes, and it wasn't until I heard stuff from the '99 oakey world tour that I realized "holy shit there's a whole lot more to this stuff than I ever imagined." I must agree that the genre-shifting and blurring of defined lines between styles is a good thing, as said it gets more music out to more people and paves the way for some real revolution or at least evolution in the styles. To me though late 2000 through most of '01 was a hodgepodge of blah. I think it is what opened the door to this blending of lines and made possible a lot more lesser-known producers and dj's to get name recognition. Now mid '02 through the first half of '03 is seeing some stellar tracks and allowing dj's to play with more variety. Great for the scene in general, because we all know what happens when a genre becomes stagnant. (Anyone remember what happened to hair bands in the late '80's? They all died off since they were all playing the same songs, just different keys and lyrics.) It seems to me that the uprising of fresh talent is what is going to keep dance music in general alive in the coming few years, and since they grew up having more influences than people 5 years ago, the lines will continue to shift/blur. I just hope that it doesn't become so blurred that you can't figure out what to listen to and just get so frustrated by a great set/cd ruined by a few tracks of COMPLETELY unrelated music. I mean it's quite jarring to the groove of the set when you hear a ferry tune, then an armin tune, then 50cent, then marco. heh

All that aside though, I'm still pretty much a trancer at heart, but prog has evolved to a state that I won't immediately turn off, techno to the point that I can't help but want to move, and house is still banging, but boring over long periods of time. A lot of my getting into all of it now instead of just one thing is this shift/blur of lines simply making everything more enjoyable, you can mix sets up with different styles and not lose the "feel" of the overall set. IMO, we're going in the right direction, I just hope people don't take it too far.

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Originally posted by w00h00 I just hope that it doesn't become so blurred that you can't figure out what to listen to and just get so frustrated by a great set/cd ruined by a few tracks of COMPLETELY unrelated music. I mean it's quite jarring to the groove of the set when you hear a ferry tune, then an armin tune, then 50cent, then marco. heh

that's why i hardly don't listen to sets or cd's because some tracks you don't like i only listen singels and some cd's like cafe del mar 10 (beatiful!!)

2003 is the year of prog....



....for america


2000/01 was the year of prog over here.



what next, you all turn to hardhouse next year?

What, hard house is not "in" anymore?
Oh, I'm late again

The best tunes i've heard this year were most nrg/hard house tunes (apart from some dnb), so I don't think we can say "this is the year of ____"... it's a personal thing, really

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Originally posted by reso trance died out ages ago.. when diggers stopped spinning trance... "its true"

NO....its not true at all..

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Originally posted by Isannah NO....its not true at all..

of course it is: in fact, this is site doesn't exist, nobody listens to goa, prog or nrg anymore and all you see here is an illusion created by a computer that is trying to take over the world by manipulating people's thoughts

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Originally posted by j�c� one day your musical tastes will mature, one day

haha you utter cock.

what when she's 50 and needs 40 winks?

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Originally posted by Diegoes It's actually year of the sheep according to the chinese calendar

laff

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Originally posted by Ste haha you utter cock. what when she's 50 and needs 40 winks?

I listen to hard house when I needsk my 40 winksk.

Better than Unisom.

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Originally posted by Ste ....for america what next, you all turn to hardhouse next year?

That would be taking two steps backwards.

Sasha and Digweed broke into the American scene years ago, but it's true they made it big in the UK first. Sasha lives in NY for 6 months out of the year now....

Yes!

So many threads about G&D and Markus shulz that should be at Progaddict.com :vP

Also, a lot of my buddies are getting into prog this year.

PROGRESSIVE MOSTLY SUCKS AND IS BORING

every year is the year of trance

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Originally posted by DJYaNiK Hehe...last time I checked, Armin was ALL prog, baby. And don't be dissing Armin's or Tijs's (He WILL get better) mixing skills, lest you can do better...Oh wait... you can't! If you would have, you'd have probably been in their position. By the way, I've got nothing against you. Just some simple teasing ;p

armin plays prog?
the world is fucking ending.

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Originally posted by djtrancendance Yes! So many threads about G&D and Markus shulz that should be at Progaddict.com :vP Also, a lot of my buddies are getting into prog this year.

that horrible production "as the rush comes" under the guise motorcycle is far from prog..

g + d's sets for the most part are good, but that release... makes me choke.

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